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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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  • #842
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    bekker wrote: »
    Couple of days ago I challenged the nonsense of comparing Ireland or anywhere else for that matter on the basis of relative populations.

    It's a nonsense because there are just too many disparate factors necessary to give weight to before even the crudest comparison could be made with any justification.

    Can't understand why people carry out and hold to theories based on such meaningless comparisons with such determination and passion.


    Yeah very true. There are two many factors that come into play. For example Ireland has many factors that actually should see us have a lower death rate then the rest of the world. An island with a small population and a low population density. More rural than almost anywhere in Europe and we have a young population.


  • #843
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    keynes wrote: »
    But you can imagine the cherry-picked ward he'll end up in, which will hardly be representative. Its quite conceivable he'll only just be a serious distraction from the normal business of the hospital
    He'll be on the phone.


  • #844
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,993 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Strikes me as more PR bullsh!t from our esteemed leader!

    It is of course a PR exercise.

    It also solidifies the way in which we are now apparently governed by doctors and medical experts.

    And for the poster upthread who complained about "armchair warriors", irony alert? We've all been drafted into the 101st Chairborne Division by government directive.


  • #845
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,993 ✭✭✭growleaves


    He’s a Trained medical professional, if he can help in some way then let him. When all this passes and he’s back to the full time Gig then you can assess if it Was worthy of not.

    Is opinion-forming now suspended as well due to this emergency?


  • #846
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Madisyn Modern Spaniel wrote: »
    At least by doing the one session per week, it will give him an insight into the reality on the ground and what medical professionals face on a daily basis. Thus, he will be able to make better informed decisions about the profession
    First sensible remark on this that I've seen, didn't realise it was so limited a time commitment.

    I only wish I could believe it was his driving motivation, but certainly coal-face exposure is useful if it by passes the possibly glossed information he has been receiving.


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  • #847
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    fin12 wrote: »
    The starting salary for a clerical officer is €24,104.

    The starting salary of a Garda is €23,750.

    I wouldn’t call either of those salaries too well paid.

    That is not the starting scale in the gardai by the way. Garda Trainees attest after 32 weeks and move onto the first point of the Garda incremental pay scale of €30,296. More if you have a degree


  • #848
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Good on Leo going back to work as a doctor, helping the front line


    Do you think there will be photos or will he take the high moral ground?


  • #849
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    growleaves wrote: »
    Is opinion-forming now suspended as well due to this emergency?
    Form away but make sure it's well-structured!


  • #850
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Yeah very true. There are two many factors that come into play. For example Ireland has many factors that actually should see us have a lower death rate then the rest of the world. An island with a small population and a low population density. More rural than almost anywhere in Europe and we have a young population.

    Exactly, so we should be doing better than the U.S... but we're not. (so far)

    Adjusting the numbers for relative population size, is certainly not pointless or useless as some are suggesting. Far from it... it's actually a very useful tool for analysis.


  • #851
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    What would be the actual point of Leo suiting up and going into battle in some random hospital...??

    Serious question?

    It would be a bit like the general of an army, jumping into the trenches with his soldiers and risking getting killed for the sake of currying favour with the men he's supposed to be leading... in other words, it would be very foolish and dumb!

    Strikes me as more PR bullsh!t from our two esteemed leader! Unless someone can enlighten me as to some other sensible reason why this would be necessary?

    He is manning the phone lines I believe


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  • #852
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭blackcard


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Do you think there will be photos or will he take the high moral ground?

    If he is trying to encourage others to volunteer, you would hope that there will be cameras


  • #853
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Jayus, do you not get bored typing the same sh;te over and over again?

    Do you ever get bored sniping from the sidelines? Its tiresome at this stage.


  • #854
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    easypazz wrote: »
    You knew there is a global shortage of supplies stopping additional testing when you posted that, didnt you?


    I did but why do they continue to promise? I could have poster 20 such links where they said they are increasing testing, they also know its not going to happen so why do they do it?


    I think the response by the people in Ireland has been good, doctors and nurses seem to be reacting well, some of the HSE reaction has been good but the testing situation has been very bad and made worse by fudging figures and by presenting aspirational numbers that are achievable in the short term.
    The HSE know all this.


  • #855
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Two types of people on this thread now. Those willing to take a holistic view and those who are indulging in party politicking.

    An 'holistic' approach?! Will Leo be combining traditional medicine with alternative medicine? Some Chinese perhaps? :D


  • #856
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,173 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0319/1124042-coronavirus-ireland/
    19 March: Minister for Health Simon Harris has said it is impossible to predict when 15,000 Covid-19 tests a day will be carried out, but he believes it will happen in the next few days.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-hse-says-testing-to-double-to-4-500-per-day-this-week-1.4221417?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fcoronavirus-hse-says-testing-to-double-to-4-500-per-day-this-week-1.4221417
    Today :Coronavirus: HSE says testing to double to 4,500 per day this week

    I don't understand why they close a test centre as reduction in tests, not needed etc.,, yet there is a back log in testing and results, it must be only around 2,000 tests we are doing at the moment, quite low, some of the fatalities not from hospital probably got no test or result before dying
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #857
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    NEPHT are in charge in so much of this. Politics has largely just provided the voice and the management of economic measures.

    This is true, and as I said earlier, I give the Taoiseach credit for allowing the experts to do their job.


  • #858
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,137 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    keynes wrote: »
    But you can imagine the cherry-picked ward he'll end up in, which will hardly be representative. Its quite conceivable he'll only just be a serious distraction from the normal business of the hospital

    I take it you have volunteered to do any role that fits your skills - fielding phone calls, delivery of groceries, etc?


  • #859
    Snowbiee21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Snowbiee21


    anybody know what time the announcement is for the amount of cases


  • #860
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Exactly, so we should be doing better than the U.S... but we're not. (so far)

    Adjusting the numbers for relative population size, is certainly not pointless or useless as some are suggesting. Far from it... it's actually a very useful tool for analysis.

    But the US will likely end up worse than us. At the start of an outbreak the size of the population probably doesn't make too much of a difference so 1 person goes on to infect 3 others who goes on to infect 3 more and so on. The size of the population comes into play when it comes to clusters that follow that pattern. If you have a big population your likely to have a lot more clusters so in time infect a lot more people.


  • #861
    ihdxwz4a3pem9j
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭ihdxwz4a3pem9j


    growleaves wrote: »
    It is of course a PR exercise.

    It also solidifies the way in which we are now apparently governed by doctors and medical experts.

    And for the poster upthread who complained about "armchair warriors", irony alert? We've all been drafted into the 101st Chairborne Division by government directive.
    This is primarily a medical crisis borne of a contagious diseases. The people dealing with this particular crisis, are doctors, nurses, HCAs, porters, etc. The critical inflection point will be the ability of the hospitals to deal with the incoming crisis. The medical profession will be the ones operating the ventilators. Of course, the medical profession will be advising the government of the crisis. It is hardly like the medical profession are dishing out the advice on a financial crisis. I don't want the financial regulator telling me how my hospital should run, in the same way I don't want my hospital telling me how my financial regulator should run


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  • #862
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    keynes wrote: »
    But you can imagine the cherry-picked ward he'll end up in, which will hardly be representative. Its quite conceivable he'll only just be a serious distraction from the normal business of the hospital

    He is not going on any ward . He will be helping man the phone inquiries


  • #863
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Strazdas wrote: »
    What he is doing is symbolic but sometimes symbolic can be powerful and helpful.

    It's a bit like when the then Princess Elizabeth was a truck driver and mechanic in the military during the War.

    The Royals have no political power so it's fine for them to engage in symbolism. Churchill didn't drive a truck.


  • #864
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Bloody torture waiting on todays report I swear they keep changing the times to piss people off


  • #865
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I did but why do they continue to promise? I could have poster 20 such links where they said they are increasing testing, they also know its not going to happen so why do they do it?


    I think the response by the people in Ireland has been good, doctors and nurses seem to be reacting well, some of the HSE reaction has been good but the testing situation has been very bad and made worse by fudging figures and by presenting aspirational numbers that are achievable in the short term.
    The HSE know all this.
    I admire the way you can see the positive in every situation


  • #866
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    keynes wrote: »
    But you can imagine the cherry-picked ward he'll end up in, which will hardly be representative. Its quite conceivable he'll only just be a serious distraction from the normal business of the hospital

    No disrespect, I've been there but the smell of depression of this is shocking.


  • #867
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,173 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Do you think there will be photos or will he take the high moral ground?

    If he can help save a life he can take as many photos as he wants
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #868
    Lwaker.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭Lwaker.


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Good on Leo going back to work as a doctor, helping the front line

    Reminds me of the joke about the guy who didn't want to enlist

    He claimed his eyesight was failing


    The examiner said that's alright we'll put you on the frontline


  • #869
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,499 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    That is not the starting scale in the gardai by the way. Garda Trainees attest after 32 weeks and move onto the first point of the Garda incremental pay scale of €30,296. More if you have a degree


    Bloody good for a 25yr old. there's much better out there for the right person with more hours and responsibility


  • #870
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Bloody torture waiting on todays report I swear they keep changing the times to piss people off

    Honestly, maybe it's better for you to switch off and not worry about it so much.


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  • #871
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,137 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Bloody torture waiting on todays report I swear they keep changing the times to piss people off

    Jeez relax! We'll know when we know. What's to get stressed out about?


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