CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

accensi0n · 05-04-2020 03:49PM

owlbethere wrote: »

In Australia, if someone breaks the rules and regulations and restrictions there, they are fined 1000 dollars with no expectations.

Why bother fining them then? :pac:

bekker · 05-04-2020 03:49PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Yes things have moved on but the reality is most of the scientific papers released have not been peer overviewed and won't be for a long time .

Agree peer review is not possible in time frame applicable, but no contradictive studies published AFAIK.

Better to err on the side of caution, and be proved to be in error, than not to be.

podgeandrodge · 05-04-2020 03:49PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I see that the HSE state:

After shopping
Wash your hands immediately when you get home.
Sort out your shopping on a cleared, disinfected area.
Wipe shelving with sanitiser and a paper towel, then throw the towel away.
Wipe the outside of all canned or hard surface packed goods (tetra packs). Use a paper towel and warm soapy water or sanitiser. This is because coronavirus can survive on hard surfaces for up to 72 hours.
If you'd rather not clean the food packaging, you could leave non-perishable foods in a safe place for 72 hours instead.
Remove outer food packaging and throw it away.
Try not to touch the inner packaging of items such as yoghurts.
Wipe down your fridge and cupboard handles using sanitiser on a paper towel.
Wash your hands after you have unpacked and put your shopping bags away.

But other health articles say, "you're not going to eat the can or the wrapping", just wash your hands and don't touch your face before doing so.

I still haven't heard of many supermarket workers falling ill, so I am hopeful this is minimal risk (insofar as nothing is devoid of risk).

ZX7R wrote: »

The issue regards supermarket started by an English professor ,then it was picked up by some health organization that I never heard of.
The world health organization is of the opinion on the matter is that spread in supermarkets is inconclusive at the present time and more investigation is needed.

Ficheall wrote: »

And the WHO would never be tardy in getting their act together and acknowledging that something was a problem..

podgeandrodge wrote:

Fair point Ficheall. But no-one has really explained the 'extent' of the supermarket problem - how many staff getting it? Risk compared to close contact i.e. not passing by shoppers briefly and washing hands etc.

bekker wrote: »

WHO report mid-Feb., things have moved on, number of subsequent studies showing viable persistence >24 hours on various surfaces, and ^micro-droplet^ aerosol spread in addition to droplet spread.

Thanks bekker. I guess the micro-droplet aerosol spread can never be avoided short of locking ourselves up. I do still wonder how significant the risk of it is in a shop though unless you have been reasonably unlucky to pass through an area that someone has sneezed/coughed in recently.

As said, if this was a major source of contracting the virus, I suspect supermarket workers would be getting the virus in their droves and this would be national headlines no?

jackboy · 05-04-2020 03:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Almost anything you do on any day involves you touching things with your hands. On balance, that is a far more likely source than through the air. Cormican described the evidence as "weak" in favour of masks, except in very specific scenarios.

Like most respiratory viruses, this one spreads predominantly through the air rather than through people touching contaminated surfaces.

is_that_so · 05-04-2020 03:51PM

jackboy wrote: »

Like most respiratory viruses, this one spreads predominantly through the air rather than through people touching contaminated surfaces.

Link please?

RugbyLad11 · 05-04-2020 03:53PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me the absolute idiocy of humanity at times... “Let’s focus on blaming somebody so we don’t have to take any responsibility for the way we have handled this crisis. Doesn’t matter it’s effectively a natural disaster, let’s hold the entire country of China accountable.”.

There is a pandemic sweeping around the world. Most countries are struggling to handle it. There is no vaccine and still an awful lot unknown about the virus. Economies have been shut down. People are being told to stay indoors. What should we do ?

“Let’s sue China because the disease came from that country.”

FFS. So a disease breaks out in Ireland because a farmer rides a pig, is Ireland responsible for that outbreak? It’s such a Xenophobic mindset, it’s no wonder we always end up waging stupid wars....

I can see it now when seas finally begin to rise due to melting ice caps and we’ve wasted decades not correcting our behavior.. “Well China burns more fossil fuels so they should be held more responsible then us”...

It’s one of the sad reasons why I have low faith in humanity. Lacks the capacity to really learn from its mistakes and makes the same ones over and over again. Politicising issues so there is no self reflection or acceptance of culpability on any level.

If you read the article posted you would see that it's not simply due to the fact that the virus originated in China, it's because the CCP covered it up for weeks.

So if a virus outbreaks in Ireland and then we cover it up for weeks and allow it to spread around to world you can sure as hell guarantee we would face consequences.

1800_Ladladlad · 05-04-2020 03:54PM

https://twitter.com/athenamediaie/status/1246182657702146050

J. Marston · 05-04-2020 03:56PM

Finally, some rain. Delighted.

WeMetHere · 05-04-2020 03:58PM

declanflynn wrote: »

are you from China

Yeah, we don’t think how to deal with this crisis, let’s check the race first.

China stands there always, what can you do about it? Sue China for real = war. If this pandemic can’t kill us, let’s start a war to finish us off.

Discodog · 05-04-2020 03:59PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me the absolute idiocy of humanity at times... “Let’s focus on blaming somebody so we don’t have to take any responsibility for the way we have handled this crisis. Doesn’t matter it’s effectively a natural disaster, let’s hold the entire country of China accountable.”.

There is a pandemic sweeping around the world. Most countries are struggling to handle it. There is no vaccine and still an awful lot unknown about the virus. Economies have been shut down. People are being told to stay indoors. What should we do ?

“Let’s sue China because the disease came from that country.”

FFS. So a disease breaks out in Ireland because a farmer rides a pig, is Ireland responsible for that outbreak? It’s such a Xenophobic mindset, it’s no wonder we always end up waging stupid wars....

I can see it now when seas finally begin to rise due to melting ice caps and we’ve wasted decades not correcting our behavior.. “Well China burns more fossil fuels so they should be held more responsible then us”...

It’s one of the sad reasons why I have low faith in humanity. Lacks the capacity to really learn from its mistakes and makes the same ones over and over again. Politicising issues so there is no self reflection or acceptance of culpability on any level.

It's a disaster caused by the Chinese government repeatedly not enforcing basic animal welfare, hygiene regulations & practices in "so called" Chinese medicine. These haven't just caused this disaster but have also made some species almost extinct.

The facts are it did come from China & the source has been widely publicised for decades whilst the Chinese refuse to stop it. A farmer is very unlikely to "ride a pig" here & if caught would face serious legal consequences. We don't have numerous videos & news reports of farmers riding pigs for the last decade.

So China should pay compensation.

c.p.w.g.w · 05-04-2020 04:01PM

Drumpot wrote: »

“Let’s sue China because the disease came from that country.”

FFS. So a disease breaks out in Ireland because a farmer rides a pig, is Ireland responsible for that outbreak? It’s such a Xenophobic mindset, it’s no wonder we always end up waging stupid wars.....

Well China allow wet markets, which are the ideal scenario for novel virus' to emerge.

SARS was linked to wet markets where civic cats were being slaughtered.

Have heard many scientists say, that if you wanted to run an experiment in the west with the same mix of live animals in one local you would be denied as the risk of viruses cross species is so high.

So in your example, if Ireland legalized pig ****ing and a virus crossed species then Ireland would care responsibility

shinny · 05-04-2020 04:02PM

Do we get data this evening, just no briefing?

gabeeg · 05-04-2020 04:03PM

Discodog wrote: »

It's a disaster caused by the Chinese government repeatedly not enforcing basic animal welfare, hygiene regulations & practices in "so called" Chinese medicine. These haven't just caused this disaster but have also made some species almost extinct.

The facts are it did come from China & the source has been widely publicised for decades whilst the Chinese refuse to stop it. A farmer is very unlikely to "ride a pig" here & if caught would face serious legal consequences. We don't have numerous videos & news reports of farmers riding pigs for the last decade.

So China should pay compensation.

And the US should compensate us all for swine flu, right?

is_that_so · 05-04-2020 04:03PM

shinny wrote: »

Do we get data this evening, just no briefing?

Yeah, unless there is something very important to announce.

BanditLuke · 05-04-2020 04:04PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me the absolute idiocy of humanity at times... “Let’s focus on blaming somebody so we don’t have to take any responsibility for the way we have handled this crisis. Doesn’t matter it’s effectively a natural disaster, let’s hold the entire country of China accountable.”.

There is a pandemic sweeping around the world. Most countries are struggling to handle it. There is no vaccine and still an awful lot unknown about the virus. Economies have been shut down. People are being told to stay indoors. What should we do ?

“Let’s sue China because the disease came from that country.”

FFS. So a disease breaks out in Ireland because a farmer rides a pig, is Ireland responsible for that outbreak? It’s such a Xenophobic mindset, it’s no wonder we always end up waging stupid wars....

I can see it now when seas finally begin to rise due to melting ice caps and we’ve wasted decades not correcting our behavior.. “Well China burns more fossil fuels so they should be held more responsible then us”...

It’s one of the sad reasons why I have low faith in humanity. Lacks the capacity to really learn from its mistakes and makes the same ones over and over again. Politicising issues so there is no self reflection or acceptance of culpability on any level.

Natural disaster lol. Yeah the cover up was so eh natural.

gabeeg · 05-04-2020 04:05PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Well China allow wet markets, which are the ideal scenario for novel virus' to emerge.

SARS was linked to wet markets where civic cats were being slaughtered.

Have heard many scientists say, that if you wanted to run an experiment in the west with the same mix of live animals in one local you would be denied as the risk of viruses cross species is so high.

So in your example, if Ireland legalized pig ****ing and a virus crossed species then Ireland would care responsibility

wet markets in China were banned from selling wildlife in 2003.

Obviously it sill happens, but it's illegal

Discodog · 05-04-2020 04:06PM

gabeeg wrote: »

And the US should compensate us all for swine flu, right?

Yes if it is proven that there was a breach of standard practices that was repeatedly ignored ie negligence.

We have International Courts for war crimes. This is just as big a crime.

Rob A. Bank · 05-04-2020 04:06PM

There is ample evidence at this stage about which countries have been successful in containing the virus.

Taiwan, an island who used that fact to great advantage, China, South Korea, Singapore and possibly Japan.

So why not copy as much as possible of what they do, instead of trying to re-invent the wheel again, or going off on solo runs based on someones probably dubious opinion ? No one has much more than 3 month's experience with this virus so there are no real Covid-19 'experts' around.

So why not just imitate best practice ?

Seems fairly obvious to me.

bekker · 05-04-2020 04:07PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Thanks bekker. I guess the micro-droplet aerosol spread can never be avoided short of locking ourselves up. I do still wonder how significant the risk of it is in a shop though unless you have been reasonably unlucky to pass through an area that someone has sneezed/coughed in recently.

As said, if this was a major source of contracting the virus, I suspect supermarket workers would be getting the virus in their droves and this would be national headlines no?

Would have been of same opinion weeks ago, first report was based on microdroplet spread laser tracking following a sneeze, and it was quite a sneeze.

But have seen further report more recently (from Japan AFAIR) which was based on microdroplet spread of expiration at normal conversational levels.

Was in properly spaced supermarket access queue early this morning, with about 15 other people in an arcade, some chatting back and forth, a
all complying with guidelines, still won't be going there again.

Discodog · 05-04-2020 04:08PM

gabeeg wrote: »

wet markets in China were banned from selling wildlife in 2003.

Obviously it sill happens, but it's illegal

But despite stacks of evidence the Chinese government refused to act & still allows the use of wildlife in Chinese "medicine".

Naggdefy · 05-04-2020 04:10PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me the absolute idiocy of humanity at times... “Let’s focus on blaming somebody so we don’t have to take any responsibility for the way we have handled this crisis. Doesn’t matter it’s effectively a natural disaster, let’s hold the entire country of China accountable.”.

There is a pandemic sweeping around the world. Most countries are struggling to handle it. There is no vaccine and still an awful lot unknown about the virus. Economies have been shut down. People are being told to stay indoors. What should we do ?

“Let’s sue China because the disease came from that country.”

FFS. So a disease breaks out in Ireland because a farmer rides a pig, is Ireland responsible for that outbreak? It’s such a Xenophobic mindset, it’s no wonder we always end up waging stupid wars....

I can see it now when seas finally begin to rise due to melting ice caps and we’ve wasted decades not correcting our behavior.. “Well China burns more fossil fuels so they should be held more responsible then us”...

It’s one of the sad reasons why I have low faith in humanity. Lacks the capacity to really learn from its mistakes and makes the same ones over and over again. Politicising issues so there is no self reflection or acceptance of culpability on any level.

And isn't History no longer compulsory to Junior Cert.

The one subject that is a study of human behaviour and how history constantly repeats itself. Humans always act in the same manner throughout time. We'll never learn.

hotmail.com · 05-04-2020 04:11PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

And isn't History no longer compulsory to Junior Cert.

The one subject that is a study of human behaviour and how history constantly repeats itself. Humans always act in the same manner throughout time. We'll never learn.

History was never compulsory on the Junior Cert.

Phoebas · 05-04-2020 04:12PM

Discodog wrote: »

So China should pay compensation.

China isn't going to be 'sued' (whatever that even means) and China isn't going to be paying compensation.

We need to be concentrating on our own problems, not looking for a dog to kick.

paddythere · 05-04-2020 04:12PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

There is ample evidence at this stage about which countries have been successful in containing the virus.

Taiwan, an island who used that fact to great advantage, China, South Korea, Singapore and possibly Japan.

So why not copy as much as possible of what they do, instead of trying to re-invent the wheel again, or going off on solo runs based on someones probably dubious opinion ? No one has much more than 3 month's experience with this virus so there are no real Covid-19 'experts' around.

So why not just imitate best practice ?

Seems fairly obvious to me.

I think we are tbf but its a lot easier to get the population of Japan to stay inside and practice proper hygiene rules at all times than it is over here

c.p.w.g.w · 05-04-2020 04:13PM

gabeeg wrote: »

wet markets in China were banned from selling wildlife in 2003.

Obviously it sill happens, but it's illegal

But there is zero enforcement, absolutely zero. Which is the fault of the greatest communist party

Ficheall · 05-04-2020 04:13PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me the absolute idiocy of humanity at times... “Let’s focus on blaming somebody so we don’t have to take any responsibility for the way we have handled this crisis. Doesn’t matter it’s effectively a natural disaster, let’s hold the entire country of China accountable.”.

There is a pandemic sweeping around the world. Most countries are struggling to handle it. There is no vaccine and still an awful lot unknown about the virus. Economies have been shut down. People are being told to stay indoors. What should we do ?

“Let’s sue China because the disease came from that country.”

FFS. So a disease breaks out in Ireland because a farmer rides a pig, is Ireland responsible for that outbreak? It’s such a Xenophobic mindset, it’s no wonder we always end up waging stupid wars....

I can see it now when seas finally begin to rise due to melting ice caps and we’ve wasted decades not correcting our behavior.. “Well China burns more fossil fuels so they should be held more responsible then us”...

It’s one of the sad reasons why I have low faith in humanity. Lacks the capacity to really learn from its mistakes and makes the same ones over and over again. Politicising issues so there is no self reflection or acceptance of culpability on any level.

Populationwise, more like, "someone in Ireland was patient zero, let's sue the entirety of North America and Europe combined"..

Naggdefy · 05-04-2020 04:13PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

History was never compulsory on the Junior Cert.

It's removed from the core curriculum.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/miche%25C3%25A1l-martin-slates-removal-of-history-from-core-curriculum-1.3600857%3fmode=amp

Corkgirl20 · 05-04-2020 04:17PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

History was never compulsory on the Junior Cert.

I believe it was unless it was just my school ?

hotmail.com · 05-04-2020 04:18PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

It's removed from the core curriculum.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/miche%25C3%25A1l-martin-slates-removal-of-history-from-core-curriculum-1.3600857%3fmode=amp

That decision has since been reversed.

hotmail.com · 05-04-2020 04:19PM

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

I believe it was unless it was just my school ?

Lots of schools didn't teach history.

CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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