Supermarkets - the Megathread

iamwhoiam · 05-04-2020 10:39AM

Tesco apparently have slots for over 65 except no one is answering the phone line

is_that_so · 05-04-2020 10:41AM

BellaBella wrote: »

This seems to be happening in the UK. Supermarkets are being given a list of vulnerable people in their locality and have to assign them a regular slot for home delivery.

That sounds fair to me at a time like this and I'm sure most decent people would be happy to relinquish their weekly slot for someone who's elderly or has a serious underlying condition.

The Community Call approach is a much better way of doing this. Supermarkets have no way to manage this, especially the checking of information. They are already doing a great job with the allocated times for at-risk groups.

Galwayguy35 · 05-04-2020 10:45AM

The amount of times the security guy had to remind people that it was 1 person per trolly in the queue outside the shop other days was ridiculous, and then they start arguing with him about it.

greasepalm · 05-04-2020 11:09AM

Out to supermarket early today and respirator and gloves on and safe distance.Quiet very early.
Forgot to ask a few spaces on the shelves.

05-04-2020 11:12AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

SuperValu here have volunteers delivering to old or vulnerable for free within 15km. So a taxi firm charging €10 for a piddling 2km is no great shakes. You could call any cab firm to do it over that distance.

It’s not as if these services are easy to get these days though. If you’ve no food then you’ll take what you can get. More options the better.

Busi_Girl08 · 05-04-2020 11:57AM

Was in lidl greenhills earlier. I had to leave. The place was packed and impossible to keep a distance from anyone else. No queue. Said the same to the security guy and he just said "oh no its fine the limit is 60 people".

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-04-2020 12:24PM

Ardent wrote: »

How does this work? Who provides the list? How do you qualify who goes on it?

Not totally sure of the details. I think a central list has been compiled by Govt (presumably in conjunction with social services and their Ministry of Health) and this has been distributed to supermarkets.

As I said, not sure of the exact details. But an English forum I post on has had posters coming on saying they've got a letter to say they're on the vulnerable list and are to contact Asda/Tesco/Sainsbury's (whatever supermarket they've been assigned to) re booking a slot.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-04-2020 12:26PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The Community Call approach is a much better way of doing this. Supermarkets have no way to manage this, especially the checking of information. They are already doing a great job with the allocated times for at-risk groups.

Yes, that's been a big help for a lot of people. But there are still those who shouldn't be going out at all, but can't get online slots.

alchemist33 · 05-04-2020 12:38PM

Aldi was packed yesterday which was a bit surprising. Are people who are off work still doing the big shop on a Saturday?

05-04-2020 12:55PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

Aldi was packed yesterday which was a bit surprising. Are people who are off work still doing the big shop on a Saturday?

Most people aren't off work though, they're working from home. In most cases this means being available during regular office hours. If you have a bit of flexibility to pop out on a weekday morning that's great, but it's not possible for a lot of people.

HeidiHeidi · 05-04-2020 02:20PM

Just had a fairly unbelievable experience in Supervalu Sundrive.

Trolleys are stored outside the shop, paper towel and disinfectant spray are inside the entrance. Hand sanitiser was empty (luckily I had my own). I suggested to the young guy who was controlling entry to the shop that maybe they should have the paper/sprays beside the trolleys rather than pysically distant from each other? (I gather from a lot of posts here that a lot of shops have staff cleaning trolley handles between uses)

"Mmmmmm, yeah, maybe" was his response, as if it had never occurred to him (maybe it hadn't).

I stopped at the customer service desk on the way out, and politely said to a fairly senior looking staff member that maybe they could suggest to management to leave disinfectant stuff beside the trolleys.

Her response - "We've been told not to leave it out there. We're not actually obliged to provide sanitiser, you know? Just so you know"

WTAF???

The card pinpad wasn't cleaned after the previous customer, and no means provided to clean it (same as last time I was in there)

A strongly worded email has gone to SV to have a word with management of that store, quick sharp, and I'll be taking my business elsewhere.

Plumbthedepths · 05-04-2020 02:28PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Just had a fairly unbelievable experience in Supervalu Sundrive.

Trolleys are stored outside the shop, paper towel and disinfectant spray are inside the entrance. Hand sanitiser was empty (luckily I had my own). I suggested to the young guy who was controlling entry to the shop that maybe they should have the paper/sprays beside the trolleys rather than pysically distant from each other? (I gather from a lot of posts here that a lot of shops have staff cleaning trolley handles between uses)

"Mmmmmm, yeah, maybe" was his response, as if it had never occurred to him (maybe it hadn't).

I stopped at the customer service desk on the way out, and politely said to a fairly senior looking staff member that maybe they could suggest to management to leave disinfectant stuff beside the trolleys.

Her response - "We've been told not to leave it out there. We're not actually obliged to provide sanitiser, you know? Just so you know"

WTAF???

The card pinpad wasn't cleaned after the previous customer, and no means provided to clean it (same as last time I was in there)

A strongly worded email has gone to SV to have a word with management of that store, quick sharp, and I'll be taking my business elsewhere.

You sound lovely, did it occur to you to thank the staff instead of complaining?

HeidiHeidi · 05-04-2020 02:31PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You sound lovely, did it occur to you to thank the staff instead of complaining?

I didn't "complain", I was very polite and friendly to both.

It was a suggestion that I felt should be passed to manangement. Tbh I'd be very surprised if I was the first to make it, the setup they have is very awkward

cazzer22 · 05-04-2020 02:31PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You sound lovely, did it occur to you to thank the staff instead of complaining?

Everyone is trying their best in a crazy situation. We need to be more positive and appreciative our people's efforts rather than tearing people down. You had your own sanitizer and it was all fine.

paleoperson · 05-04-2020 03:26PM

citysights wrote: »

Do you mean air con or something? Anyway just reminded me of hand driers in public toilets I never use them, dry my hands with tissue as years back heard that they spread germs everywhere, circulate them or something.

Things might have changed since then. Most of them now have purple-looking UV light that kills pathogens. I thought it would leave your hands cleaner than before.

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Just had a fairly unbelievable experience in Supervalu Sundrive.

Trolleys are stored outside the shop, paper towel and disinfectant spray are inside the entrance. Hand sanitiser was empty (luckily I had my own). I suggested to the young guy who was controlling entry to the shop that maybe they should have the paper/sprays beside the trolleys rather than pysically distant from each other? (I gather from a lot of posts here that a lot of shops have staff cleaning trolley handles between uses)

My Tesco doesn't even have sanitiser at the entrance or at the exit period, not that I could see. No disinfectant, no nothing. Next to the trolleys? Not on your life. The whole place could well be riddled with the virus. I actually couldn't believe that they didn't have it this time. Last time I go there.

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

"Mmmmmm, yeah, maybe" was his response, as if it had never occurred to him (maybe it hadn't).

I stopped at the customer service desk on the way out, and politely said to a fairly senior looking staff member that maybe they could suggest to management to leave disinfectant stuff beside the trolleys.

Her response - "We've been told not to leave it out there. We're not actually obliged to provide sanitiser, you know? Just so you know"

Doesn't surprise me. I've had experience with similar responses by older women in high ranking before. If everyone was like you and me there would be no virus, it's the people who have no caution that are making this thing spread.

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

WTAF???

It's probably they don't want to spend the extra on simple hand sanitizer. It will save them a lot in the long run if they do though - not only because it will help their reputation or make people more likely to come during this time as I suspect the managers are trying to calculate but because many of their older customers will be ****ing dead!

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The card pinpad wasn't cleaned after the previous customer, and no means provided to clean it (same as last time I was in there)

A strongly worded email has gone to SV to have a word with management of that store, quick sharp, and I'll be taking my business elsewhere.

Not to Tesco I hope. I'm strongly thinking of going back to Supervalu.

You have someone here thinking it takes 15 minutes close to someone for an infection and then refusing to admit they are wrong. It's crazy stuff.

People need to take this more seriously. Think what you would do if this was ebola and act like that. If you get ebola there's a 80% chance you're going to die and in a horrible way. I am not saying pretend it's ebola, I am saying think of it as being like ebola in some ways (but a lot more contagious), because for a lot of people it will end up like ebola for them. This is especially appropriate since people have been thinking of it as like the flu, think about it more like ebola instead.

By right noone should be going to the shops in the first place. It's been deemed as essential, otherwise the world would fall apart.

By right shop workers should be wearing hazmat suits, they're exposed all day long. The only reason they're not told to wear protective gear is it could create a shortage and make vital workers stop coming to work.

And people wonder why it's getting spread particularly badly in western countries?!

greasepalm · 05-04-2020 03:29PM

I use my own gloves so i have no contact with surfaces + if needs be own sanitizer to hand.

Plumbthedepths · 05-04-2020 03:38PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Things might have changed since then. Most of them now have purple-looking UV light that kills pathogens. I thought it would leave your hands cleaner than before.

My Tesco doesn't even have sanitiser at the entrance or at the exit period, not that I could see. No disinfectant, no nothing. Next to the trolleys? Not on your life. The whole place could well be riddled with the virus. I actually couldn't believe that they didn't have it this time. Last time I go there.

Doesn't surprise me. I've had experience with similar responses by older women in high ranking before. If everyone was like you and me there would be no virus, it's the people who have no caution that are making this thing spread.

It's probably they don't want to spend the extra on simple hand sanitizer. It will save them a lot in the long run if they do though - not only because it will help their reputation or make people more likely to come during this time as I suspect the managers are trying to calculate but because many of their older customers will be ****ing dead!

Not to Tesco I hope. I'm strongly thinking of going back to Supervalu.

You have someone here thinking it takes 15 minutes close to someone for an infection and then refusing to admit they are wrong. It's crazy stuff.

People need to take this more seriously. Think what you would do if this was ebola and act like that. If you get ebola there's a 80% chance you're going to die and in a horrible way. I am not saying pretend it's ebola, I am saying think of it as being like ebola in some ways (but a lot more contagious), because for a lot of people it will end up like ebola for them. This is especially appropriate since people have been thinking of it as like the flu, think about it more like ebola instead.

By right noone should be going to the shops in the first place. It's been deemed as essential, otherwise the world would fall apart.

By right shop workers should be wearing hazmat suits, they're exposed all day long. The only reason they're not told to wear protective gear is it could create a shortage and make vital workers stop coming to work.

And people wonder why it's getting spread particularly badly in western countries?!

How do you even drag yourself out of bed, let alone the house?

seanl77 · 05-04-2020 03:45PM

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

I don't think that supermarkets should have their staff stocking their shelves when they are open to the public. Last Friday in Lidl, I was more concerned about the staff and their distancing than I was about other shoppers. I appreciate that they are at work, while we are shopping, and can understand how they can get caught up in what they are doing but......

Also, do they really need to have hot air fans/heaters on in the supermarkets, blowing, God knows what all over the place...

I started work at 5 this morning stocking the shop, maybe I should just move into the store and pitch a tent to sleep in so. Honestly one of the more ridiculous posts I've seen, my store opens 15 hours a day but we shouldn't be allowed to be on the shop floor..... Talk about ungrateful

Plumbthedepths · 05-04-2020 03:48PM

seanl77 wrote: »

I started work at 5 this morning stocking the shop, maybe I should just move into the store and pitch a tent to sleep in so. Honestly one of the more ridiculous posts I've seen, my store opens 15 hours a day but we shouldn't be allowed to be on the shop floor..... Talk about ungrateful

Fair play to you for all your efforts, thank you . The ungrateful are a small minority.

seanl77 · 05-04-2020 03:51PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Fair play to you for all your efforts, thank you . The ungrateful are a small minority.

You are very welcome, the vast majority of people are 100% sound. Just a few with absolutely ridiculous expectations considering what is going on.

Beasty · 05-04-2020 03:54PM

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paleoperson · 05-04-2020 03:59PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How do you even drag yourself out of bed, let alone the house?

Don't project your mental fragility onto me. I have no problem getting up, I have problem endangering my life and potentially those of others.

I'd certainly count for being part of the population that should stay at home but there are also calls to go to the store if you are able to. I thought I'd do my bit and get my shopping at that of two other people but I'm really now starting to decide I should say screw that and just stay at home.

TV shows and movies are so much a part of modern western culture. Thousands of hours a year are devoted to them by people. It seems ironic that when people actually find themselves in such a situation instead of actually having some sort of inspiration on what to do they seem to be collapsing mentally and in complete denial.

What do you think being on a ventilator is like - some sort of nebulizer or inhaler? A ventilator is one of the most invasive, horrific things anyone can require. The death rate of people who end up on one is through the roof. The patient is sedated for days or weeks and the only thing keeping them alive is that machine. There is likely going to be massive damage done to organs like brain and lungs, that's why some informed people are saying they don't want to be put on ventilators - like a DNR notice.

So yeah you can mentally collapse when you think about that and go around carefree and mocking people who are scared of it or you can be a good person and stay at home or take the utmost precautions when you go out.

05-04-2020 04:00PM

I've said it before on this thread but it needs saying again. Couples, please for ****s sake stop coming in to the shop together. There is no need for two people coming in and only one of you is carrying a basket!
Also if you are just coming in to fill your trolley with beer slabs at least take a loaf of bread or bottle of milk to pretend you came on an essential trip for food!

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 04:01PM

paleoperson wrote: »

You have someone here thinking it takes 15 minutes close to someone for an infection and then refusing to admit they are wrong. It's crazy stuff!

Still won’t let it go, quit while you are ahead paleo, your nonsense claims were comprehensively debunked last night and none of the health authorities back up your position that walking past somebody in a supermarket is a risk factor, please stop with the conspiracy theory scaremongering.

I hope you are enjoying the pathetic little victory in your head though.

Plumbthedepths · 05-04-2020 04:01PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Don't project your mental fragility onto me. I have no problem getting up, I have problem endangering my life and potentially those of others.

I'd certainly count for being part of the population that should stay at home but there are also calls to go to the store if you are able to. I thought I'd do my bit and get my shopping at that of two other people but I'm really now starting to decide I should say screw that and just stay at home.

TV shows and movies are so much a part of modern western culture. Thousands of hours a year are devoted to them. It seems ironic that when people actually find themselves in such a situation instead of actually having some sort of inspiration on what to do they seem to be collapsing mentally and in complete denial.

What do you think being on a ventilator is like - some sort of nebulizer or inhaler? A ventilator is one of the most invasive, horrific things anyone can require. The death rate of people who end up on one is through the roof. The patient is sedated for days or weeks and the only thing keeping them alive is that machine. There is likely going to be massive damage done to organs like brain and lungs, that's why some informed people are saying they don't want to be put on ventilators - like a DNR notice.

So yeah you can mentally collapse when you think about that and go around carefree and mocking people who are scared of it or you can be a good person and stay at home or take the utmost precautions when you go out.

Wall of rubbish, TLDR.

paleoperson · 05-04-2020 04:04PM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Still won’t let it go, quit while you are ahead paleo, your nonsense claims were comprehensively debunked last night and none of the health authorities back up your position that walking past somebody in a supermarket is a risk factor, please stop with the conspiracy theory scaremongering.

I hope you are enjoying the pathetic little victory in your head though.

I will never let go of the fact that you were just wrong and in a damaging and dangerous way and refused to admit it.

You're awfully eager to describe the situation in terms of cliches, paragraph after paragraph, it's a grotesque lack of maturity and I suggest next time you just concede you were wrong.

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 04:11PM

paleoperson wrote: »

I will never let go of the fact that you were just wrong and in a damaging and dangerous way and refused to admit it.

You're awfully eager to describe the situation in terms of cliches, paragraph after paragraph, it's a grotesque lack of maturity and I suggest next time you just concede you were wrong.

I was able to provide actual links to health authority websites to substantiate what I was saying. You provided nothing but YouTube references and your own deluded ramblings.

Not agreeing with everything you say does not mean people are not taking the virus seriously, just that they are better informed and are following actual guidelines provided by the relevant authorities. Leo Varadkar had to make an appeal last week for people to stop spreading misinformation and feeding panic. You are the kind of person that appeal was aimed at but unsurprisingly it has not deterred you.

paleoperson · 05-04-2020 04:17PM

Again I do not know why you are doing this - why are you describing what happened in terms of cliches and gotchas like how I posted a youtube link and so on and so on. I posted lots of links for you, including both journals and WHO recommendations, your own link even proved you wrong about the 2 metres.

You were wrong in how you quite clearly stated that you would have to be within 2 metres of someone for 15 minutes to get it.

You were also wrong to suggest that you cannot get it from passing closely to someone in a store. You strongly appeared not even know that you have to stay outside 2 metres of someone. That's it - end of discussion.

Like, do you feel as if, you're going to come up with some great rhetoric and suddenly you will have been right all the time? What on earth is wrong with you?

Downlinz · 05-04-2020 04:28PM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Still won’t let it go, quit while you are ahead paleo, your nonsense claims were comprehensively debunked last night and none of the health authorities back up your position that walking past somebody in a supermarket is a risk factor, please stop with the conspiracy theory scaremongering.

I hope you are enjoying the pathetic little victory in your head though.

It's pretty much common sense that an infected person exhaling into the airspace you're inhaling can cause a transmission. Of course it's a risk factor to pass people in close proximity which is why we're told to only put ourselves in that position for essential journeys.

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 04:29PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Again I do not know why you are doing this - why are you describing what happened in terms of cliches and gotchas like how I posted a youtube link and so on and so on.

You were wrong in how you quite clearly stated that you would have to be within 2 metres of someone for 15 minutes to get it. You were also wrong to suggest that you cannot get it from passing closely to someone in a store. You strongly appeared not even know that you have to stay outside 2 metres of someone. That's it - end of discussion.

Oh dear, look, can you provide any evidence whatsoever that walking past somebody in a supermarket is a risk factor? Any? I have read the advice on all of the major health authorities websites and if that advice is there I cannot see it. In fact they categorically state that passing somebody on the street or in a shop poses minimal risk. Yet you persist with your unfounded rubbish.

Those authorities also state that spending 15 minutes within close proximity of somebody that is infected puts you at very high risk. That is what I was referring to and you keep twisting what I said to try to distract from getting called out on your unfounded theories. If course it is possible to get it in under 15 minutes especially if they are symptomatic, but anybody with symptoms should be self isolating or in hospital.

The upshot of what I was saying is that the biggest risk in supermarkets is secondary transmission from surfaces rather than walking past people, but you focus on one single line of what I said to try to make yourself ‘right’.

I am doing this btw because you verbally attacked me several times in a recent exchange and are still dropping dismissive comments about me in your horse manure posts.

Supermarkets - the Megathread

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