Supermarkets - the Megathread

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 12:07AM

Can you find and link any credible advice anywhere that states you are at risk if you walk past somebody? You won’t find it because it is hysterical nonsense being peddled by misinformed idiots.

I am well informed on how the virus spreads and I am taking appropriate precautions for me an my family. Putting lives at risk. Lol

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 12:15AM

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself.html

HSE website also seems to verify what I am saying but I guess they forgot to update their site too, it is virtually impossible to maintain a 2m distance from everyone at all times if you are going to go out and get food, go to work if you are an essential worker etc. Practice good hygiene and use common sense and we will hopefully get through this.

There is very little risk if you are just passing someone. But try to keep a distance of 2m where possible

paleoperson · 05-04-2020 12:17AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Unless you walk around with a device of some sort that extends 2m from your body people are going to pass within a close distance to you, particularly in a supermarket environment. Being paranoid is not healthy.

It depends on how busy the supermarket is. There was a possibility I could have been able to manage it the last time I went to this store when there were far fewer people around. I have seen many people, often young people, very keen to keep the distance. Then there's assholes rushing throuhg like nothing's going on.

It is perfectly healthy if it leaves you not dead? This is really the precise time of history when being "paranoid" about getting something may help.

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Can you find and link any credible advice anywhere that states you are at risk if you walk past somebody? You won’t find it because it is hysterical nonsense being peddled by misinformed idiots.

I am well informed on how the virus spreads and I am taking appropriate precautions for me an my family. Putting lives at risk. Lol

Oh man... "I am well informed on how the virus spreads. I was trying to put it down to that you just didn't know at first, now you're claiming to be "well informed".

This virus is INCREDIBLY contagious. No matter what you do you can get it or spread it. I could get it despite everything I've tried to do - washing hands, gloves, mask, 2-metres, wiping down groceries. I am also a high-risk group. I don't want to end up on a ****ing ventilator with hardly any chance to survive. Cop on to yourself.

The virus even hangs around in the air for a while after someone is gone. Someone could be gone for 15 minutes and you come within 2 metres of where they were standing you could get it. Every time you leave the house you could potentially get it. The least you could do is maintain the 2 metres distance.

This bus driver who was wearing a mask was fastidious about not getting the virus and wore a mask. He went online complaining about a woman coughing near him when getting on his bus - he's now dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ioLk3tSsk

paleoperson · 05-04-2020 12:21AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself.html

HSE website also seems to verify what I am saying but I guess they forgot to update their site too, it is virtually impossible to maintain a 2m distance from everyone at all times if you are going to go out and get food, go to work if you are an essential worker etc. Practice good hygiene and use common sense and we will hopefully get through this.

There is very little risk if you are just passing someone. But try to keep a distance of 2m where possible

Right, you aren't supposed to get within 2 m of someone period, even if it does seem impossible in some situations now. If everyone did everything perfectly and it wasn't transmitted then we would have no new cases, unfortunately this will keep going and people should certainly do their best to avoid it.

Plumbthedepths · 05-04-2020 12:24AM

paleoperson wrote: »

It depends on how busy the supermarket is. There was a possibility I could have been able to manage it the last time I went to this store when there were far fewer people around. I have seen many people, often young people, very keen to keep the distance. Then there's assholes rushing throuhg like nothing's going on.

It is perfectly healthy if it leaves you not dead? This is really the precise time of history when being "paranoid" about getting something may help.

Oh man... "I am well informed on how the virus spreads. I was trying to put it down to that you just didn't know at first, now you're claiming to be "well informed".

This virus is INCREDIBLY contagious. No matter what you do you can get it or spread it. I could get it despite everything I've tried to do - washing hands, gloves, mask, 2-metres, wiping down groceries. I am also a high-risk group. I don't want to end up on a ****ing ventilator with hardly any chance to survive. Cop on to yourself.

The virus even hangs around in the air for a while after someone is gone. Someone could be gone for 15 minutes and you come within 2 metres of where they were standing you could get it. Every time you leave the house you could potentially get it. The least you could do is maintain the 2 metres distance.

This bus driver who was wearing a mask was fastidious about not getting the virus and wore a mask. He went online complaining about a woman coughing near him when getting on his bus - he's now dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ioLk3tSsk

Covid 19 affects your physical health, paranoia affects your mental health. The physical is easier to treat, if it's terminal it won't matter to you.

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 12:26AM

paleoperson wrote: »

It depends on how busy the supermarket is. There was a possibility I could have been able to manage it the last time I went to this store when there were far fewer people around. I have seen many people, often young people, very keen to keep the distance. Then there's assholes rushing throuhg like nothing's going on.

It is perfectly healthy if it leaves you not dead? This is really the precise time of history when being "paranoid" about getting something may help.

Oh man... "I am well informed on how the virus spreads. I was trying to put it down to that you just didn't know at first, now you're claiming to be "well informed".

This virus is INCREDIBLY contagious. No matter what you do you can get it or spread it. I could get it despite everything I've tried to do - washing hands, gloves, mask, 2-metres, wiping down groceries. I am also a high-risk group. I don't want to end up on a ****ing ventilator with hardly any chance to survive. Cop on to yourself.

The virus even hangs around in the air for a while after someone is gone. Someone could be gone for 15 minutes and you come within 2 metres of where they were standing you could get it. Every time you leave the house you could potentially get it. The least you could do is maintain the 2 metres distance.

This bus driver who was wearing a mask was fastidious about not getting the virus and wore a mask. He went online complaining about a woman coughing near him when getting on his bus - he's now dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ioLk3tSsk

I’ll stick to what the HSE and WHO are advising thanks very much. I ask for a credible source and you provide a YouTube link?. That lady that coughed on him probably left droplets all over the bus and unless the area was thoroughly sanitised immediately his mask was useless, probably worse than useless actually because it may have given him a false sense of security. I already said in a previous post that somebody coughing or sneezing on you is a huge risk factor.

Like I said, read the official advice and use common sense. Getting your information from YouTube is not good. We got a circular at work recently that came directly from the highest levels of government to state that the only guidance that is to be used in these times is from official sources, there are many many people spreading misinformation and downright lies.

Having reread your post, I am sorry to hear you are in an at risk group, that must be scary. If you want to make a difference I would be lobbying your local TDs to have supermarkets man the entrances to stores and make everyone sanitise their hands before they touch a trolly or enter the store. I work in a role that has access to my local TD’s and I am on first name terms with all of them, I have brought it up with them already and I cannot countenance how stores are not already doing this.

paleoperson · 05-04-2020 12:52AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I’ll stick to what the HSE and WHO are advising thanks very much.

Right and as we established they literally say stay outside 2 metres of people at all times on the very page you linked me to.

There is "very little chance" and there is "astronomical just-won't-happen chance". If you feel confident to spin the roulette wheel multiple times every time you go out that's on you but you're also affecting others.

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I ask for a credible source and you provide a YouTube link. Man are you for f*****g real? Would you ever cop on to yourself. That lady that coughed on him probably left droplets all over the bus and unless the area was thoroughly sanitised immediately his mask was useless, probably worse than useless actually because it may have given him a false sense of security. I already said in a previous post that somebody coughing or sneezing on you is a huge risk factor.

My youtube link had nothing to do with your request. I ignored your request and simply told you about it hanging in the air. Frankly it's such common knowledge and easily found that I'm not sure it deserves to be given a link.

Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is plausible, since the virus can remain viable and infectious in aerosols for hours and on surfaces up to days (depending on the inoculum shed).

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

Here's one without the scientific jargon:

WHO is considering “airborne precautions” for medical staff after a new study showed the coronavirus can survive in the air in some settings.
The coronavirus can go airborne, staying suspended in the air depending on factors such as heat and humidity, WHO officials said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-considers-airborne-precautions-for-medical-staff-after-study-shows-coronavirus-can-survive-in-air.html

ie. it stays in the air.

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Like I said, read the official advice and use common sense. Getting your information from YouTube is not good. We got a circular at work recently that came directly from the highest levels of government to state that the only guidance that is to be used in these times is from official sources, there are many many people spreading misinformation and downright lies.

Don't be utterly ridiculous.

punisher5112 · 05-04-2020 12:54AM

If I sneeze or spit or lick on an item, or my hand or on a trolley then there is a huge risk....

As I drive a bus I've had it...... I hear a sneeze not only do I hear it but taste it and smell it not very long after......

The sh1t is literally going to hit the fan

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 01:02AM

paleoperson wrote: »

Right and as we established they literally say stay outside 2 metres of people at all times on the very page you linked me to.

There is "very little chance" and there is "astronomical just-won't-happen chance". If you feel confident to spin the roulette wheel multiple times every time you go out that's on you but you're also affecting others.

My youtube link had nothing to do with your request. I ignored your request and simply told you about it hanging in the air. Frankly it's such common knowledge and easily found that I'm not sure it deserves to be given a link.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

Here's one without the scientific jargon:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-considers-airborne-precautions-for-medical-staff-after-study-shows-coronavirus-can-survive-in-air.html

ie. it stays in the air.

Don't be utterly ridiculous.

You are clutching at straws now, the CNBC link states that they are considering advising airborne precautions for healthcare staff because droplets may be airborne after somebody sneezes / coughs. The two words ‘healthcare staff’ are key there because they deal with people who are symptomatic. If people are going out doing their weekly shop while sick and coughing / sneezing then we are all fooked, there is no way we can win the war on the virus. Nobody should be in a supermarket if they are at that stage, and if they are they should be arrested.

I’m glad that you acknowledged that you ignored my request for a credible source. I think that is quite telling. You don’t have any because none of the credible organisations are aligned with what you are saying.

paleoperson · 05-04-2020 01:16AM

You are outright crazy.

"clutching at straws"???

I just provided you with two links directly stating the well-known knowledge I just stated, after you pestered me about it.

I've even seen alt right individuals who deny the virus is very bad at all acknowledging about how the virus lingers in the air. Even little children know it at this stage. The fact that you didn't even know that shows you are not the sort of person I would talk to on a normal basis.

Just stay the hell 2 metres away from anyone else and don't go on non-essential trips as the HSE and almost everyone in almost every developed country is advising.

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 01:38AM

paleoperson wrote: »

You are outright crazy.

"clutching at straws"???

I just provided you with two links directly stating the well-known knowledge I just stated, after you pestered me about it.

I've even seen alt right individuals who deny the virus is very bad at all acknowledging about how the virus lingers in the air. Even little children know it at this stage. The fact that you didn't even know that shows you are not the sort of person I would talk to on a normal basis.

Just stay the hell 2 metres away from anyone else and don't go on non-essential trips as the HSE and almost everyone in almost every developed country is advising.

Straw man nonsense. Who says I go on non essential trips and yes I know the virus is airborne. My point is that anybody with symptoms should not be out in public, they should not be in supermarkets, they should not be in pharmacies, they should not be out for a walk. They should be isolating or in hospital. If people are sick with Covid 19 and are walking around coughing and sneezing then we are doomed. I have already stated this but you are reading what you want to read now because you don’t want to admit you were wrong to attack me.

I think most people are aware of the advice now and if they have symptoms they are self isolating hopefully. The biggest risk in supermarkets and high traffic areas is secondary transmission from surfaces. This can be mitigated to a degree by rigorous hand hygiene and people minimising non essential trips. Stay 2m away from people where possible but it will not always be possible. The risk of walking past somebody is negligible unless they are coughing/ sneezing. If the virus can linger for 15 minutes after someone sneezes then the 2m rule is pointless anyway, there is no way you can be sure that somebody hasn’t infected an area 10 minutes before you arrived to the store.

All of the official sources back up what I am saying and I have repeated multiple times that people need to follow the official advice from the HSE and WHO and not YouTube or Reddit or whatever other unverified sources they are using. I don’t know why you continually attack me and twist what I am saying.

paleoperson · 05-04-2020 02:01AM

You have a really bad attitude problem.

You were completely wrong in your initial assertion that 2 m was not important and should have apologised for making me use up my time explaining it, now shut up.

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 02:18AM

paleoperson wrote: »

You have a really bad attitude problem.

You were completely wrong in your initial assertion that 2 m was not important and should have apologised for making me use up my time explaining it, now shut up.

Every source that matters is on my side of the argument buddy. Statements like ‘shut up’ are a dead giveaway of someone who knows they have lost the argument. You have not been able to add one single credible source that verifies what you are saying. People like you make things worse and scare the living daylights out of everyone. Once again, follow the proper advice and try to influence those around you to do the same and hopefully we all get through this. Obsessing about every time someone walks past you is pointless and downright damaging to ones mental health. Stay off YouTube and look after yourself and your family.

punisher5112 · 05-04-2020 02:29AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Every source that matters is on my side of the argument buddy. Statements like ‘shut up’ are a dead giveaway of someone who knows they have lost the argument. You have not been able to add one single credible source that verifies what you are saying. People like you make things worse and scare the living daylights out of everyone. Once again, follow the proper advice and try to influence those around you to do the same and hopefully we all get through this. Obsessing about every time someone walks past you is pointless and downright damaging to ones mental health. Stay off YouTube and look after yourself and your family.

Look t Italy, Spain NY and now the UK..... They done absolutely nothing in time.....

China sees foreigners now as the threat.... They silenced anyone that spoke out.....

China can not be trusted, the figures don't add up, also the figures in UK and so on don't include deaths at home or in retirement homes......

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 02:41AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Look t Italy, Spain NY and now the UK..... They done absolutely nothing in time.....

China sees foreigners now as the threat.... They silenced anyone that spoke out.....

China can not be trusted, the figures don't add up, also the figures in UK and so on don't include deaths at home or in retirement homes......

And?? I am not for one second denying the seriousness of the virus. I am however pragmatic and only trust verifiable information and advice. My underlying point over the past two pages has been to follow the advice given by the proper authorities. None of them are saying that you cannot walk past somebody in the street or supermarket without putting your life at risk. That is hysterical rubbish. Everyone needs to practice obsessive hand hygiene and cut out non essential trips outside their home. If we all do that it will go a long way but we still face a monumental struggle.

Paleoperson has tried their best to paint me as a denier but I am anything but. My family have not left the house save for brief exercise and shopping. I am in a professional role that is deemed essential and must attend work every day, where every precaution is being taken to mitigate the spread of Covid 19. I fear bringing it home to my family but I have no choice in the matter.

punisher5112 · 05-04-2020 03:20AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

And?? I am not for one second denying the seriousness of the virus. I am however pragmatic and only trust verifiable information and advice. My underlying point over the past two pages has been to follow the advice given by the proper authorities. None of them are saying that you cannot walk past somebody in the street or supermarket without putting your life at risk. That is hysterical rubbish. Everyone needs to practice obsessive hand hygiene and cut out non essential trips outside their home. If we all do that it will go a long way but we still face a monumental struggle.

Paleoperson has tried their best to paint me as a denier but I am anything but. My family have not left the house save for brief exercise and shopping. I am in a professional role that is deemed essential and must attend work every day, where every precaution is being taken to mitigate the spread of Covid 19. I fear bringing it home to my family but I have no choice in the matter.

Yes yes essential role.... I'm in that boat too....

Am I provided with anything, eh no fcuk no am I fcuk....

We have no idea how serious this will get.... Young and old on machines doing their breathing for them..... That scares the livin. Fcuk out of me

Atlantic Dawn · 05-04-2020 03:21AM

I've said it before and I will say it again, there should be a full mobile phone use ban in all supermarkets during this pandemic. You have arseholes on 20 minute calls in Q's talking to some bellend about sheite outputting scangerised air that will kill us all. The big operators should issue bans and see customers come their way.

punisher5112 · 05-04-2020 03:23AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I've said it before and I will say it again, there should be a full mobile phone use ban in all supermarkets during this pandemic. You have arseholes on 20 minute calls in Q's talking to some bellend about sheite outputting scangerised air that will kill us all. The big operators should issue bans and see customers come their way.

I'm a ****tard where I haven't put enough on my revolut, I do sincerely apologize

paleoperson · 05-04-2020 03:32AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I've said it before and I will say it again, there should be a full mobile phone use ban in all supermarkets during this pandemic. You have arseholes on 20 minute calls in Q's talking to some bellend about sheite outputting scangerised air that will kill us all. The big operators should issue bans and see customers come their way.

I saw some dufus shop worker having a passionate argument today gesticulating wildly and spit-talking across to a female-worker - something about the leaving cert from what I could pick up.

You reminded me about my phone, I made a big mistake - I totally forgot to wash and disinfect it when I came home. I was even watching lately about how much germs get on phones. I also used my phone in the shop for something.

punisher5112 · 05-04-2020 03:43AM

paleoperson wrote: »

I saw some dufus shop worker having a passionate argument today gesticulating wildly and spit-talking across to a female-worker - something about the leaving cert from what I could pick up.

You reminded me about my phone, I made a big mistake - I totally forgot to wash and disinfect it when I came home. I was even watching lately about how much germs get on phones. I also used my phone in the shop for something.

I put alohol gel on hands then rub all over phone too

joeguevara · 05-04-2020 03:44AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I've said it before and I will say it again, there should be a full mobile phone use ban in all supermarkets during this pandemic. You have arseholes on 20 minute calls in Q's talking to some bellend about sheite outputting scangerised air that will kill us all. The big operators should issue bans and see customers come their way.

There is very little that annoys me but I have asked people to stop chatting on the phone while scanning their items and then packing them up. The less time I’m surrounded by potential risk the better and while queuing up and seeing people struggle to scan and pack because they are holding a phone to their ear and laughing and joking is too much. To top it off, more often than not they have to root in their bag or rucksack to find their wallet. Like it was a shock that they would have to pay.

The_Honeybadger · 05-04-2020 03:47AM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Yes yes essential role.... I'm in that boat too....

Am I provided with anything, eh no fcuk no am I fcuk....

We have no idea how serious this will get.... Young and old on machines doing their breathing for them..... That scares the livin. Fcuk out of me

And me too. My father is in the very high risk group and I would fear for his life if he gets it.

In work we have hand sanitizer and soap everywhere and we have a hygiene team that clean surfaces and door handles etc every evening. Luckily I can work from home some of the week.

There are interesting and somewhat grim projections of how bad it can get but hopefully the restrictions will work and we can slow it down enough to give the HSE a chance.

Back on topic of the supermarkets, I think they should all enforce hand sanitisation and trolley disinfection before anybody enters. This is a concrete and controllable action that would do a lot more than trying to keep an unworkable 2m distance in tight aisles. Most people just won’t stick to that no matter what you do.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-04-2020 03:57AM

In September when this is all over it will be interesting how normality resumes. I do like distancing where nobody is right up your hole when you are at the checkout.

punisher5112 · 05-04-2020 04:02AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

In September when this is all over it will be interesting how normality resumes. I do like distancing where nobody is right up your hole when you are at the checkout.

Please please think of the pick picketers at thiscam time....

gozunda · 05-04-2020 09:43AM

Posted this in the main thread

Recent article which details that supermarkets are high-risk sites of infection for Covid-19

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1128423/

Also fairly comprehensive guide on reducing risk of infection whilst shopping

https://globalhealth.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Safe-Shopping-Guidelines-COVID-19-1.pdf

https://globalhealth.ie/a-quick-guide-to-safe-shopping-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic/

citysights · 05-04-2020 09:49AM

gozunda wrote: »

Posted this in the main thread

Recent article which details that supermarkets are high-risk sites of infection for Covid-19

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1128423/

Also fairly comprehensive guide on reducing risk of infection whilst shopping

https://globalhealth.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Safe-Shopping-Guidelines-COVID-19-1.pdf

https://globalhealth.ie/a-quick-guide-to-safe-shopping-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic/

Just reading all that I think I’ll stop eating!!! Getting food now involves a whole decontamination process on another level.

Living Off The Splash · 05-04-2020 10:09AM

I don't think that supermarkets should have their staff stocking their shelves when they are open to the public. Last Friday in Lidl, I was more concerned about the staff and their distancing than I was about other shoppers. I appreciate that they are at work, while we are shopping, and can understand how they can get caught up in what they are doing but......

Also, do they really need to have hot air fans/heaters on in the supermarkets, blowing, God knows what all over the place...

citysights · 05-04-2020 10:26AM

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

I don't think that supermarkets should have their staff stocking their shelves when they are open to the public. Last Friday in Lidl, I was more concerned about the staff and their distancing than I was about other shoppers. I appreciate that they are at work, while we are shopping, and can understand how they can get caught up in what they are doing but......

Also, do they really need to have hot air fans/heaters on in the supermarkets, blowing, God knows what all over the place...

Do you mean air con or something? Anyway just reminded me of hand driers in public toilets I never use them, dry my hands with tissue as years back heard that they spread germs everywhere, circulate them or something.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 05-04-2020 10:35AM

This seems to be happening in the UK. Supermarkets are being given a list of vulnerable people in their locality and have to assign them a regular slot for home delivery.

That sounds fair to me at a time like this and I'm sure most decent people would be happy to relinquish their weekly slot for someone who's elderly or has a serious underlying condition.

Ardent · 05-04-2020 10:38AM

BellaBella wrote: »

This seems to be happening in the UK. Supermarkets are being given a list of vulnerable people in their locality and have to assign them a regular slot for home delivery.

That sounds fair to me at a time like this and I'm sure most decent people would be happy to relinquish their weekly slot for someone who's elderly or has a serious underlying condition.

How does this work? Who provides the list? How do you qualify who goes on it?

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