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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #9362
    marilynrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Suicide levels have dropped, people are less stressed, therapists will have enough to do grief counselling, anyone who had treatment moved will still be treated within a safe time, feel free to wander out and restart whatever irrelevant profession that you think is being currently stymied .

    That woman on the radio was told her treatment was being stopped, she was being offered pain relief and palliative care only. She said the nurse was crying down the phone to her and said she also had to phone other patients.
    That woman was absolutely terrified. She said she had already had to wear masks while out and about long before this because of her immune system. She was not informed about treatment restarting at all. This was a mother of 3 in her 30s. It was heartbreaking to listen to. That cannot be justified!!!

    People are less stressed is quite the blanket statement. I know several people suffering severely at the moment due to this.

    I'm not sure what your point on therapists was so maybe you could clarify that?


  • #9363
    Pseudonym121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    How do you figure that. We've hovered around the 100-120 people in ICU without any significant growth for days now. I'd imagine it will get busier but the figures to date to not show a significant growth in ICU or death.

    That simply isn't true. The number in ICU with COVID 19 has quadrupled in the past week. And that doesn't even account for the fact that nursing home cases are now being "treated" in the nursing home in order not to take up ICU beds when we reach critical capacity - this is entirely correct as their chances of survival if tubed are very low.


  • #9364
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    marilynrr wrote: »
    Higher profile right now, but that's not going to be the case forever. We can't ...or stop life prolonging cancer treatment and risk people dying from that...and god only knows the other things that are going on right now also!

    Initially maybe it can be justified for an initial lockdown but this cannot go on indefinitely.

    No life prolonging cancer treatment is being delayed because of Covid-19. (a family member is a cancer nurse and another a doctor)
    This type of rhetoric serves no good purpose.


  • #9365
    marilynrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    Looptheloop30 wrote: »
    If the numbers don't escalate is the key thing.

    But they are escalating and the will escalate further.

    By Wednesday there were 101 covid19 related deaths on the island of Ireland.

    In the past three days there have been 92 more deaths on the island.

    I don't have the time explain the phenomenon of exponential growth however a dose of realism is needed in a lot of quarters.

    At least that way if fewer deaths transpire than what you are expecting then that is a massive bonus.

    End of the day we all are and will be further affected. There are people behind the numbers.


    You don't need to "explain the phenomenon of exponential growth" to me thanks.

    There are also people behind the doors in the houses in lockdown.


  • #9366
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    threeball wrote: »
    In Europe? Very few. Mostly old iron curtain countries who think little of introducing lockdowns and travel restrictions. Show me where are all these comparable liberal democracies are that are doing so well.

    Russia, Norway, Israel. Czech Republic, Poland, Greece, Serbia, Slovenia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Bulgaria and Croatia all have lower deaths than Ireland


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  • #9367
    marilynrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    No life prolonging cancer treatment is being delayed because of Covid-19.
    This type of rhetoric serves no good purpose.

    The radio link was shared on here. I can't remember the station but maybe someone here has the link.
    I thought the person who posted it was mistaken as well until I listened to it!!


  • #9368
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    Right now the government and institutes dealing with this are operating in the mindset of "encouraging the public to work together to 'flatten the curve' and delay and reduce the COVID-19 epidemic peak."

    Key words here are delay the peak. This will go on for another month at least and then if we are lucky, really lucky, there will be a wind-down phase where things gradually get back to some sense of normalcy but what was normal to us before this crisis will be a long time coming back.

    My sector, tourism, is in ruins, jobs will be lost in there droves in the coming months, the economic impact will be harder than anything we have experienced in our lifetime and people think these restrictions will ease in 2 weeks. If people get a sense of hope in saying it will ease in 2 weeks then fine. I can only determine my actions and I am preparing for this t go on for months. We can only deal with what is in front of us, one thing at a time.


  • #9369
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    17 deaths and 331 new cases confirmed

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #9370
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Sky news are having a special programme at 9.

    Ok, I have not much love for sky news, but Im going to watch it.


  • #9371
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,178 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    That 'live cam' of Mulberry Street in New York was old footage. There's no parade on there today, and that parade happens in Autumn anyway.

    Here's the live cam of the street, it's as empty as you'd expect.
    https://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/littleitaly/?cam=littleitaly


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  • #9372
    john why
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭john why


    Worldometer reporting 26,030 death's for France yesterday . That must be a mistake yeah?


  • #9373
    john why
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭john why


    Worldometer reporting 26,030 death's for France yesterday . That must be a mistake yeah?


  • #9374
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,178 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    That 'live cam' of Mulberry Street in New York was old footage. There's no parade on there today, and that parade happens in Autumn anyway.

    Here's the live cam of the street, it's as empty as you'd expect.
    https://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/littleitaly/?cam=littleitaly


  • #9375
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    I'm trying to point out that pro rata or per million comparisons are not very meaningful.

    As the saying puts it "There are lies, damned lies and statistics". Using per million comparisons in this way is misleading.

    With different countries having different protocols, criteria for diagnosis, hospitalisation, ICU admission, etc... and different methods for compiling their reported figures anything other than large discrepancies should be treated with caution as the margin for error is significant.

    I would say that country A which restricts the spread from a single person to four others us doing a far better job than country B which doesn't manage to stop the spread until 240 others gave been infected.

    That country B is 60 times more populous is not relevant to comparing how well country B is controlling the spread, however it is relevant to the relative impact that level of spread has on the country's wider population.

    The only was we can compare one countries experience to an others, is by comparing statistics per capita.

    The key indicator, the number every country is striving to keep down, is the number of deaths.

    The US is a federation of states, like the EU. Each sate is divided into counties, each county into smaller administrative districts.

    Germany is a country in the EU. It is itself a federation of states. Each of these state is divided again into administrative districts.

    Ireland is a country. It is made up of counties. Counties are made up of other groupings like town-lands or parishes.

    All of these constructs are just arbitrary groupings of people and their population SIZE has no bearing on the spread of the virus. The bit in bold is meaningless junk.

    We like to compare how one group is doing relative to another. We can only do this by comparing per capita statistics we have to hand.

    The compilation methods of the stats vary, but its the best we can do if we want to compare.

    So how do you think Spain is faring out compared to South Korea?

    Keep in mind, that when this is over, the countries or states or regions who will be credited with the best strategies, will be the ones with lowest deaths per capita.

    What do you think of the second graph?

    https://twitter.com/charliemansell/status/1239249213332094985


  • #9376
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,193 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Bushmaster64 wrote: »
    Over a thousand dead in France today.

    How did that happen?

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #9377
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Meanwhile. in the UK, some folk believe the have found the cause of the spreading of the virus - 5G phone masts
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/04/uk-phone-masts-attacked-amid-5g-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory

    Footage here:
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11320198/coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory-masts/

    Therefore there's reports of several being burnt down following celebrities promoting the conspiracy theory.


  • #9378
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,245 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    I’ve started to limit this Covid stuff to an hour a day. Any more just becomes to much.

    Log on have a look at what’s happening and log out. Control what you can and ignore the rest.

    There is nothing more I can do, so going down a rabbit hole of Covid related stories and the terrible things it is doing won’t do me any good. The media is covering this wall to wall and while it’s all relevant in many ways it’s completely irrelevant in others.

    I dont work at the front line and have huge sympathy for those that do. But wallowing in Social media posts about it won’t change anything.


    If you suffer from anxiety or are stressed about this then limit the time you expose yourself to the media of it. I phone friends and family and shoot the breeze with them. I chat to my neighbor and read a book. Do a puzzle and chill out.

    Cook a healthy dinner and clean some part of the house that’s been left on the long finger.

    See ye tomo.


  • #9379
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,748 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    devnull wrote: »
    Meanwhile. in the UK, some folk believe the have found the cause of the spreading of the virus - 5G phone masts
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11320198/coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory-masts/

    Therefore there's reports of several being burnt down following celebrities promoting the conspiracy theory.

    Can't cure stupid


  • #9380
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    Right now the government and institutes dealing with this are operating in the mindset of "encouraging the public to work together to 'flatten the curve' and delay and reduce the COVID-19 epidemic peak."

    Key words here are delay the peak. This will go on for another month at least and then if we are lucky, really lucky, there will be a wind-down phase where things gradually get back to some sense of normalcy but what was normal to us before this crisis will be a long time coming back.

    My sector, tourism, is in ruins, jobs will be lost in there droves in the coming months, the economic impact will be harder than anything we have experienced in our lifetime and people think these restrictions will ease in 2 weeks. If people get a sense of hope in saying it will ease in 2 weeks then fine. I can only determine my actions and I am preparing for this t go on for months. We can only deal with what is in front of us, one thing at a time.

    For the sake of people like you is precisely why it shouldn't go on long term. We need some normality back before the summer (June). This can be done all the while keeping social distancing measures in place and banning large crowds. Also by keeping high risk people isolated. Restaurants and hotels can open back up. As can most major work places.


  • #9381
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Russia, Norway, Israel. Czech Republic, Poland, Greece, Serbia, Slovenia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Bulgaria and Croatia all have lower deaths than Ireland

    Poland are not recording deaths with underlying issues also they are also not recording deaths in institution is nursing homes, orphanages, special needs homes and prisons


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  • #9382
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Meanwhile. in the UK, some folk believe the have found the cause of the spreading of the virus - 5G phone masts
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/113201...-theory-masts/

    There's no evidence in the article to support the headline.

    Other articles about '5G arsonists' don't mention this coronavirus theory at all.


  • #9383
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    Looptheloop30 wrote: »
    If the numbers don't escalate is the key thing.

    But they are escalating and the will escalate further.

    By Wednesday there were 101 covid19 related deaths on the island of Ireland.

    In the past three days there have been 92 more deaths on the island.

    I don't have the time explain the phenomenon of exponential growth however a dose of realism is needed in a lot of quarters.

    At least that way if fewer deaths transpire than what you are expecting then that is a massive bonus.

    End of the day we all are and will be further affected. There are people behind the numbers.

    An in increase from 2 to 10 deaths in 3 days could be classified as exponential. I think its you who needs a dose of realism. Our trend is very consistent both in cases and deaths and we are very near 14 days since our measures were introduced. Are you suggesting that our death rate is on the verge of sky rocketing, because expecting anything less than the deaths we have experienced isn't even slightly realistic. Yes we will continue to see deaths but i expect it to remain in and around the figures we are seeing at the moment. At this rate it would take one month of deaths to even get close to what spain, italy, france or the uk see in a day. Even adjusting for population thats a pretty decent position.


  • #9384
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    john why wrote: »
    Worldometer reporting 26,030 death's for France yesterday . That must be a mistake yeah?
    bodhrandude wrote: »
    How did that happen?



    Theyve added nursing home figures, if you read the sources on worldometer it gives explanations of large numbers.


  • #9385
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Poland are not recording deaths with underlying issues also they are also not recording deaths in institution is nursing homes, orphanages, special needs homes and prisons

    How is Poland doing case wise? I know around here it was being held up as a bastion of what to do ie closing schools, shutting boarders etc.


  • #9386
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    devnull wrote: »
    Meanwhile. in the UK, some folk believe the have found the cause of the spreading of the virus - 5G phone masts
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11320198/coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory-masts/

    Therefore there's reports of several being burnt down following celebrities promoting the conspiracy theory.

    In fairness, anyone reading the Sun and believing this is probably going to have a fairly low IQ anyway.


  • #9387
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    growleaves wrote: »
    There's no evidence in the article to support the headline.

    Other articles about '5G arsonists' don't mention this coronavirus theory at all.

    It was reported in the press conference this afternoon as well
    https://twitter.com/DCMS/status/1246106312452321280


  • #9388
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    marilynrr wrote: »
    The radio link was shared on here. I can't remember the station but maybe someone here has the link.
    I thought the person who posted it was mistaken as well until I listened to it!!

    I posted it. It was on 4fm the afternoon talk show with niall boylan. Horrible to listen to a woman with 3 kids kissing goodbye to what days she had left.


  • #9389
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    threeball wrote:
    Another 17 deaths unfortunately but all things considered we're doing remarkably well, im sure two weeks ago, seeing the numbers that have unfolded across Europe, if anyone told you we'd be at the numbers we're at you'd have taken it with both hands.

    How do you know we are doing remarkably well with the limited number of tests being done? We have no clue where things are at. We don't even know if there have been deaths due to covid-19 that have happened in the home due to people self-isolating and not getting tested/treated on time. Has this happened? Have those deaths been added to the numbers?


  • #9390
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    In fairness, anyone reading the Sun and believing this is probably going to have a fairly low IQ anyway.

    The Sun wasn't the origin of the story, I just posted their link because it was one with actual footage.


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  • #9391
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    devnull wrote: »
    Meanwhile. in the UK, some folk believe the have found the cause of the spreading of the virus - 5G phone masts
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11320198/coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory-masts/

    Therefore there's reports of several being burnt down following celebrities promoting the conspiracy theory.
    Better than burning witches, which these people would have been doing a few hundred years ago.


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