CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

marilynrr wrote: »

I disagree, because logically the longer it goes on for the greater the impact and knock on affect on other things. I'm not talking about the economy here, but other health issues.

There will be suicides, a deterioration in mental heath, are people allowed out for appointments with therapists? I wonder are they considered essential, some people would have been attending before all of this...and if it is considered essential and allowed I would imagine the poor people feel awful when they're grilled by the guards on where they're going.

There was a woman on the radio who had her life prolonging cancer treatment stopped and offered pain relief instead, stuff like that can't continue.

There's people in abusive homes, spouses and children. God only knows what they are going through and if we will see murder suicides.


There has to be some kind of normality brought back if numbers don't escalate.

Suicide levels have dropped, people are less stressed, therapists will have enough to do grief counselling, anyone who had treatment moved will still be treated within a safe time, feel free to wander out and restart whatever irrelevant profession that you think is being currently stymied .

jackboy wrote: »

It’s all about profile. Covid deaths are higher profile than the issues you have mentioned. That is why that issue is being prioritised.

Higher profile right now, but that's not going to be the case forever. We can't keep people locked up with their abusers like collateral damage...or stop life prolonging cancer treatment and risk people dying from that...and god only knows the other things that are going on right now also!

Initially maybe it can be justified for an initial lockdown but this cannot go on indefinitely.

Avalyn Flabby Beefsteak wrote: »

If we keep going this way, we may have hit the peak yesterday and cases should continue to come down by the end of the month largely.

One day's figures cannot constitute a trend by any stretch of the imagination. The peak is seven to ten days away at best and even then new cases will continue for some time. Even after the peak the death rate will continue to rise for some weeks more.

kilkenny31 wrote: »

How do you figure that. We've hovered around the 100-120 people in ICU without any significant growth for days now. I'd imagine it will get busier but the figures to date to not show a significant growth in ICU or death.

That simply isn't true. The number in ICU with COVID 19 has quadrupled in the past week. And that doesn't even account for the fact that nursing home cases are now being "treated" in the nursing home in order not to take up ICU beds when we reach critical capacity - this is entirely correct as their chances of survival if tubed are very low.

Looptheloop30 wrote: »

If the numbers don't escalate is the key thing.

But they are escalating and the will escalate further.

By Wednesday there were 101 covid19 related deaths on the island of Ireland.

In the past three days there have been 92 more deaths on the island.

I don't have the time explain the phenomenon of exponential growth however a dose of realism is needed in a lot of quarters.

At least that way if fewer deaths transpire than what you are expecting then that is a massive bonus.

End of the day we all are and will be further affected. There are people behind the numbers.

You don't need to "explain the phenomenon of exponential growth" to me thanks.

There are also people behind the doors in the houses in lockdown.

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

No life prolonging cancer treatment is being delayed because of Covid-19.
This type of rhetoric serves no good purpose.

The radio link was shared on here. I can't remember the station but maybe someone here has the link.
I thought the person who posted it was mistaken as well until I listened to it!!

17 deaths and 331 new cases confirmed

That 'live cam' of Mulberry Street in New York was old footage. There's no parade on there today, and that parade happens in Autumn anyway.

Here's the live cam of the street, it's as empty as you'd expect.
https://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/littleitaly/?cam=littleitaly

Worldometer reporting 26,030 death's for France yesterday . That must be a mistake yeah?

FishOnABike wrote: »

I'm trying to point out that pro rata or per million comparisons are not very meaningful.

As the saying puts it "There are lies, damned lies and statistics". Using per million comparisons in this way is misleading.

With different countries having different protocols, criteria for diagnosis, hospitalisation, ICU admission, etc... and different methods for compiling their reported figures anything other than large discrepancies should be treated with caution as the margin for error is significant.

I would say that country A which restricts the spread from a single person to four others us doing a far better job than country B which doesn't manage to stop the spread until 240 others gave been infected.

That country B is 60 times more populous is not relevant to comparing how well country B is controlling the spread, however it is relevant to the relative impact that level of spread has on the country's wider population.

The only was we can compare one countries experience to an others, is by comparing statistics per capita.

The key indicator, the number every country is striving to keep down, is the number of deaths.

The US is a federation of states, like the EU. Each sate is divided into counties, each county into smaller administrative districts.

Germany is a country in the EU. It is itself a federation of states. Each of these state is divided again into administrative districts.

Ireland is a country. It is made up of counties. Counties are made up of other groupings like town-lands or parishes.

All of these constructs are just arbitrary groupings of people and their population SIZE has no bearing on the spread of the virus. The bit in bold is meaningless junk.

We like to compare how one group is doing relative to another. We can only do this by comparing per capita statistics we have to hand.

The compilation methods of the stats vary, but its the best we can do if we want to compare.

So how do you think Spain is faring out compared to South Korea?

Keep in mind, that when this is over, the countries or states or regions who will be credited with the best strategies, will be the ones with lowest deaths per capita.

What do you think of the second graph?

https://twitter.com/charliemansell/status/1239249213332094985

devnull wrote: »

Meanwhile. in the UK, some folk believe the have found the cause of the spreading of the virus - 5G phone masts
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11320198/coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory-masts/

Therefore there's reports of several being burnt down following celebrities promoting the conspiracy theory.

Can't cure stupid

wadacrack wrote: »

Russia, Norway, Israel. Czech Republic, Poland, Greece, Serbia, Slovenia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Bulgaria and Croatia all have lower deaths than Ireland

Poland are not recording deaths with underlying issues also they are also not recording deaths in institution is nursing homes, orphanages, special needs homes and prisons

Looptheloop30 wrote: »

If the numbers don't escalate is the key thing.

But they are escalating and the will escalate further.

By Wednesday there were 101 covid19 related deaths on the island of Ireland.

In the past three days there have been 92 more deaths on the island.

I don't have the time explain the phenomenon of exponential growth however a dose of realism is needed in a lot of quarters.

At least that way if fewer deaths transpire than what you are expecting then that is a massive bonus.

End of the day we all are and will be further affected. There are people behind the numbers.

An in increase from 2 to 10 deaths in 3 days could be classified as exponential. I think its you who needs a dose of realism. Our trend is very consistent both in cases and deaths and we are very near 14 days since our measures were introduced. Are you suggesting that our death rate is on the verge of sky rocketing, because expecting anything less than the deaths we have experienced isn't even slightly realistic. Yes we will continue to see deaths but i expect it to remain in and around the figures we are seeing at the moment. At this rate it would take one month of deaths to even get close to what spain, italy, france or the uk see in a day. Even adjusting for population thats a pretty decent position.