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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #8972
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    devnull wrote: »
    Same is going on in UK, deaths in prison, nursing homes, care homes, hospices and residential settings are not being counted in statistics, only those in hospital.

    Scotland had a high figure yesterday or the other day because it included a backlog of deaths. Did the rest of the UK not change too?


  • #8973
    Corkgirl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Corkgirl20


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Is this happening in Ireland?

    We definitely include nursing home statistics anyway and I presume at home too etc.


  • #8974
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Risk is inseparable from life but how does that have any meaning in this topic? So we Put children at risk for school exams because that’s just life?

    You didn’t address anything I said and are deflecting from the main point. If a child thinks a school exam is life or death, that’s a mental health issue that should be addressed regardless of the exams or their outcomes.

    If you can’t ensure child’s safety at an exam and schools won’t open for child safety, it’s irresponsible to have exams because that’s the way the system works in a normal school period. This is not a normal time and as such alternative options should be offered or considered. To suggest otherwise is head in the sand stuff.
    Please read and try to understand my origin post and discern the context of 'life and death', absolutely nothing to do with children's perceptions.

    As risk is an integral part of life, it follows that all decisions of necessity involve balancing risks.

    Organising a 'safe' environment for 125k is simpler to organise than doing so for 960k, plus 835k are not even exposed to any perceived risk.

    Way off COVID-19, so that's it as far as I'm concerned.


  • #8975
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,960 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whats the story with most irish patients in ICU being under 65?
    Are more young people infected in general in IReland ?

    Infection rates by age here ; https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/summary/

    Keep in mind that many older people are not admitted to ICU as they may not benefit from it or their families decide against aggressive intervention for their loved ones at this stage of their lives or ongoing illness.


  • #8976
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,378 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whats the story with most irish patients in ICU being under 65?
    Are more young people infected in general in IReland ?

    They're being ultra-cautious with ICU admissions as they have spare capacity at the moment.

    Doubt most of the current cases would require ICU admission if there was an actual surge in cases.


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  • #8977
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    No. It seems to be a common misconception of this virus that it is only killing old people. I posted a video yesterday of a doctor from Wales saying the vast majority of people in the hospital ICU are 55 and under.

    Isn’t the average age of the deceased victims around 80, so far?

    No one was ever arguing that young people weren’t “getting” the virus, they just have a much better chance of fighting it.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #8978
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Scotland had a high figure yesterday or the other day because it included a backlog of deaths. Did the rest of the UK not change too?

    The official death metric released by the Department of Health and Social Care in the UK is measured by deaths of those in hospital. The British Government are not reporting on overall deaths, despite saying they would.

    Today's official updates on death numbers was
    As of 5pm on 3 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 4,313 have sadly died.

    As well, what some of you may have missed, is the way testing is being reported has changed as well, they are now reporting number of tests rather than the number of people tested, which makes the figures look better than they otherwise would.

    For example, on 3rd April, only 6,500 people were tested, despite the headline figure of tests being almost 11,000. This is something to watch out for, since originally the Government were talking about targets based on numbers of people, now they are talking about number of tests.


  • #8979
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    spookwoman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1246440600704090112?s=20

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1246442042311532547?s=20

    Nursing home staff to have their temperatures checked


    First of all, staff as carers should be checking their own temperatures every morning before work anyways. They should be, even if it's not in a written policy. If there's any temperature, then they shouldn't be going into work in case they have the virus. Wouldn't be any harm implementing the policy anyways but I do see a few issues.

    1) not every one has a temperature as Claire Byrne shows
    2) if a staff member has other issues like maybe period pain, they may take an ibuprofen and that would alter a temperature reading.

    Not a very great policy to rely on.


  • #8980
    Count Dooku
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    xtal191 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1246091210449719296

    Why she didn't mention jews?
    Brooklyn’s Orthodox neighborhoods have especially high rates of the coronavirus


  • #8981
    voluntary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 867 ✭✭✭voluntary


    owlbethere wrote: »

    First of all, staff as carers should be checking their own temperatures every morning before work anyways. If there's any temperature, then they shouldn't be going into work in case they have the virus.

    Would they still get paid for a day off if calling in with like 37C?


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  • #8982
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    bekker wrote: »
    Please read and try to understand my origin post and discern the context of 'life and death', absolutely nothing to do with children's perceptions.

    As risk is an integral part of life, it follows that all decisions of necessity involve balancing risks.

    Organising a 'safe' environment for 125k is simpler to organise than doing so for 960k, plus 835k are not even exposed to any perceived risk.

    Way off COVID-19, so that's it as far as I'm concerned.

    An exam is not “a decision of necessity”. They aren’t necessary, they are just part of a system we adopted.

    It might be easier to organise a safe environment for less people but you haven’t hypothesised how this would be done. Im stating that to have exams in normal exam environment , while schools are closed is irresponsible. Having exams in same environment and presuming an extra few feet and a couple of masks is irresponsible unless evidence proves beyond doubt there is no risk to a child in this scenario.

    This is an uncertain time and we are dealing with a virus we don’t have all the answers on. To make very potentially damaging presumptions so you can sit a non essential school exam is irresponsible.

    We like to think we know everything and are in control of our environment when we are not in control of much. We are in control of whether or not we have exams, in the absence of knowledge , to push ahead with exams is irresponsible. Like I said, whatever they do, if one child dies because of an exam , serious questions will correctly be asked. Nobody should die from an exam whether it be to pressure to do well or from a pandemic that wasn’t considered important enough to change the rules.


  • #8983
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    ettravel wrote: »
    USA.
    will this finally wake the US population up into realising what an unjust , unequal , rat race of a kip they live in.

    certainly far from perfect in the EU countries but at least most of the time, most have good intentions. I love the US but will this be the stray that breaks the canals back.

    We have higher deaths per million and higher cases per million. Why single out the US?


  • #8984
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    We definitely include nursing home statistics anyway and I presume at home too etc.

    Testing in nursing homes is definitely an issue though


  • #8985
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Having exams... ...irresponsible unless evidence proves beyond doubt there is no risk to a child in this scenario.

    ...

    Like I said, whatever they do, if one child dies because of an exam , serious questions will correctly be asked.

    Is this going to be the new standard now for all future human activities?

    Nothing can happen unless we can prove there's zero risk of anyone dying?


  • #8986
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    'Irrelevant to the original posts.' bekker
    surely the Randox scientists who are making these covid tests would have known the folly of letting the chetleham races go ahead. could they have pulled their sponsorship? talked to the organisers/uk gov. or evenat a last resort ring fenced their money for more sanitation purposes?
    why were they sponsoring it.DO they have a vetinary arm?
    anyhow apologies if irelevant.


  • #8987
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whats the story with most irish patients in ICU being under 65?
    Are more young people infected in general in IReland ?

    From what I’ve heard they have planned from early on not to admit certain groups to ICU or possibly even to hospital. Rather treat best as they can/make them comfortable where they are.


  • #8988
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    devnull wrote: »
    Same is going on in UK, deaths in prison, nursing homes, care homes, hospices and residential settings are not being counted in statistics, only those in hospital.

    The chief medical officer in the UK said a few weeks ago that they would only report 'excess' deaths (another fiddlefactor to minimize the numbers).

    They did not test those at home with symptoms suggestive of coronavirus at all.

    So the death count and the number of cases in the UK are pure works of fiction.


  • #8989
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Personally would put it in category of tone deaf. People are getting sick and dying everywhere. In the middle of a pandemic is not the right time The reason there are issues for her to "highlight" is the overall US response to this. She can come back to it afterwards.

    Still don’t understand why we can’t discuss this now. Also the fact that health care was poorly funded before this I’ve been told to shut up about it. Personally when people try to silence anyone my ears prick up and I listen more closely to what is being said. She’s a politician she has a mandate to discuss it. It’s not okay because you don’t like her but if Joe rogan tweeted it, it would be a grand statement.


  • #8990
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    From what I’ve heard they have planned from early on not to admit certain groups to ICU or possibly even to hospital. Rather treat best as they can/make them comfortable where they are.

    So... we can presume that the dreaded triage has started already ?


  • #8991
    Logan Roy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 452 ✭✭Logan Roy


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    So... we can presume that the dreaded triage has started already ?

    No, did you even read the post? They planned from early on not to bring them to ICU.


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  • #8992
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    Update: Well Mother in Law’s Nursing Home is now officially a Cluster*uck.

    This is beyond hand-wringing. I remember NHI being admonished for acting Unilaterally on March 6th.

    The Nursing Home would not say how many – because that’s confidential. CONFIDENTIAL?! Are you kidding me?!

    After everything it’s a fkng secret?! Are we still doing that?!

    This is the Frontline. It’s a bloody disaster and not one mask between any of the staff.
    Finally, theCovid-19 support scheme has been announced. Well it’s a bit late!

    Remind me again Expert Teams…what is the most vulnerable age Group? The elderly? And where would find them then? Oh! The Nursing Homes!

    Forgive me Boards, I’m so frustrated. The last time I saw her was through a closed window. She was sleeping.

    Had Nursing Homes Ireland NOT acted when they did, we would now be looking at complete decimation!!!


  • #8993
    CitizenFloor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭CitizenFloor


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    No, did you even read the post? They planned from early on not to bring them to ICU.


    To bring who? There would need to be a triage to determine if a person should go to ICU?


  • #8994
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    No. It seems to be a common misconception of this virus that it is only killing old people. I posted a video yesterday of a doctor from Wales saying the vast majority of people in the hospital ICU are 55 and under.

    Your video definitely trumps all of the other evidence.


  • #8995
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    devnull wrote: »
    The official death metric released by the Department of Health and Social Care in the UK is measured by deaths of those in hospital. The British Government are not reporting on overall deaths, despite saying they would.

    Today's official updates on death numbers was
    As of 5pm on 3 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 4,313 have sadly died.

    As well, what some of you may have missed, is the way testing is being reported has changed as well, they are now reporting number of tests rather than the number of people tested, which makes the figures look better than they otherwise would.

    For example, on 3rd April, only 6,500 people were tested, despite the headline figure of tests being almost 11,000. This is something to watch out for, since originally the Government were talking about targets based on numbers of people, now they are talking about number of tests.


    The UK on seems to report the numbers who die in hospital, they then update a few days later with real figures.


  • #8996
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Nermal wrote: »
    Is this going to be the new standard now for all future human activities?

    Nothing can happen unless we can prove there's zero risk of anyone dying?

    That’s a very disingenuous post. I’ve not said we can’t do anything unless there is zero risk.

    There is a risk to peoples health right now and we don’t fully know to what degree. I can’t leave my house because of it. Schools are closed because of it. This is a crisis situation, not a hypothetical discussion on what we should do if it happened.

    Exams are not a necessity , I don’t really understand how you find that hard to grasp. We adapt how we grade pupils, it can be that simple if we want.


  • #8997
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    No, did you even read the post? They planned from early on not to bring them to ICU.

    So it's not triage unless it is done at the door of ICU ?

    Triage done at a distance has exactly the same effect on the elderly patients.


  • #8998
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    Update: Well Mother in Law’s Nursing Home is now officially a Cluster*uck.

    This is beyond hand-wringing. I remember NHI being admonished for acting Unilaterally on March 6th.

    The Nursing Home would not say how many – because that’s confidential. CONFIDENTIAL?! Are you kidding me?!

    After everything it’s a fkng secret?! Are we still doing that?!

    This is the Frontline. It’s a bloody disaster and not one mask between any of the staff.
    Finally, theCovid-19 support scheme has been announced. Well it’s a bit late!

    Remind me again Expert Teams…what is the most vulnerable age Group? The elderly? And where would find them then? Oh! The Nursing Homes!

    Forgive me Boards, I’m so frustrated. The last time I saw her was through a closed window. She was sleeping.

    Had Nursing Homes Ireland NOT acted when they did, we would now be looking at complete decimation!!!

    That`s terrible.:( I hope she will be OK.


  • #8999
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Rob A. Bank wrote:
    So the death count and the number of cases in the UK are pure works of fiction.
    Anywhere to find out the number of deaths per day in Ireland, inclusive of all , not just from coronavirus covid-19?


  • #9000
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Seamai wrote: »
    I'm curious as to what we are going to see when they start coming back, yes there may be substantial increases but people need to remember that these increases might not be reflective of the current infection rate. Just to take an example, I have a close family member who contacted his GP on March 18th as he was exhibiting mild symptoms and who's wife is high risk, the test was carried out on March 22nd and here we are on April 4th and still no results. By the time he had the test done he felt he'd was practically over what ever he had, he had been isolating and by the March 24th / 25th completely recovered. Now if his test results came back positive in the next day or two technically it's giving a misleading picture of where we are now and there may be a lot of these. I would be far more interested in seeing the results of tests taken in the last day or two as I would hope at this point after several weeks of stringent measures we would start seeing new infection rates being less than 2 weeks ago.

    It will at least give an indication of how widespread invections are of not


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  • #9001
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,009 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Lavinia wrote: »
    Total number of deaths in Italy for Q1 (comparison):

    2020 - 166.407
    2019 - 185.967
    2018 - 187.991
    2017 - 192.045

    I don't have those in English, sorry, but these are the numbers
    Going back a few hours in the thread now but the above post seems to have gotten very little discussion except for someone disputing the figures and saying that reduced road deaths etc. during the lockdown may account for the lower 2020 figure (unlikely given that road deaths in Italy are about 3300 per year)

    To the poster Lavinia, what is your source for the Q1 2020 mortality figure. It doesn't matter if the source is not in English. It seems unlikely to me that Italy would already have reliable mortality stats for Q1.


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