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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #8612
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    I got it in the 70’s one of my smallies got it but second didn’t as post 2015.


  • #8613
    windy shepard henderson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,520 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Personal abuse cause you can’t handle the truth?

    He’s right - the attitude of posters on here is that ireland should buy up as keep/sell at high profit PPE - just read the posts a few pages back.

    Imagine if we adopted this attitude, and then next order of medicine or food we order, we get a reply that x country in no longer selling to ireland because of us hoarding important front line PPE equipment. Imagine the uproar against the government then....

    Ireland is an island - we need the world a lot more than they need us - uk and USA have car manufacturers offering to make ventilators. How many companies in Ireland are offering to make PPE? Instead of basing the government? You have big drink companies making hand sanitizer -

    Other than O’Neill’s I haven’t heard any big company in ireland offering to make PPE in big numbers -

    of course we should have bought a **** load of masks we didnt need in early febuary well said you clown .....


  • #8614
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,656 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Mod: @windy shepard henderson - don't post in this thread again.


  • #8615
    deise08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Personal abuse cause you can’t handle the truth?

    He’s right - the attitude of posters on here is that ireland should buy up as keep/sell at high profit PPE - just read the posts a few pages back.

    Other than O’Neill’s I haven’t heard any big company in ireland offering to make PPE in big numbers -

    https://waterford-news.ie/2020/03/31/azzurri-to-produce-free-face-masks/

    First two paragraphs..

    A WATERFORD company has stepped up to the mark in the protective face masks shortage by pledging to supply 5,000 free masks produced in-house to nursing homes and healthcare organisations in the South East.

    In response to the crisis Apparel Supply Solutions – Azzurri Sport has developed a washable, re-usable protective face-mask to assist in the protection of healthcare workers against Covid-19.


  • #8616
    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    The best thing you can have is an A4 pad in front of your face stayed in place by a hoody. Wash your hands and rip off pages. Want a pair of goggles as well in fairness.

    Yea you heard it here first. More effective than any mask in my opinion.

    Maybe a bit of tape to hold it around your face depending on the hoodie.


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  • #8617
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    deise08 wrote: »
    https://waterford-news.ie/2020/03/31/azzurri-to-produce-free-face-masks/

    Nice to see, buts it’s a local business helping on a local scale - why are big companies in ireland not making them on wide scale production?


  • #8618
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    Nobody in my family bar my mum who was born in the 50s in Dublin have it. My sister got the injection when she went into nursing. I teach in a primary school and I remember last summer one of the children in my class got the vaccine done in Hungary and her mum said she was surprised they don’t do it automatically here anymore.
    None of my Cork friends have it but when I went to college in Dublin everybody seemed to have it there.

    I’m sceptical anyway.

    The Southern Health board ceased the bcg vaccine for about two decades so loads in munster region wouldn't have gotten it. I'm not the most confident in it preventing tbh.


  • #8619
    Lavinia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,102 ✭✭✭Lavinia


    I have heard that in Italy last year Jan to April died more people than this year all together including covid.


  • #8620
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I had assumed all primary school kids still got the BCG, never realised they stopped it. How are they vaccinating against TB now?

    I got it in the 90’s in primary school and have siblings who got it a number of years later also.
    Stheno wrote: »
    Rubella was given in school when you were 12/13

    BCG was a baby/ toddler vaccine iirc

    I have the mark's but dont remember getting it

    BCG was definitely a primary school vaccine, I remember all the lead up to it and getting it even with the big needles etc.


  • #8621
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    fits wrote: »
    Oh it definitely does have poor parts but make no mistake -It is far from being a poor city. It is much more wealthy than much of surrounding region. that video is terribly shocking.

    I was very shocked too. Looked into it. Some are saying the burning part is not true. I do not know.
    But I also saw this piece in a paper directly quoting the lady mayor of the city, and it is really bad...

    ""In Guayaquil, ground zero for the spread of COVID-19 in Ecuador, dead bodies have been piling up on the streets, in hospitals and inside houses.

    According to official records, 70% of the country's cases are located in the city of Guayaquil, where 2,243 of the 3,163 cases nationwide have been registered.

    The mayor of Guayaquil, Cynthia Viteri, requested on Thursday that the Ecuadorian government allow the municipality she leads to remove the bodies of those who died from the COVID-19 disease or other circumstances, as a result of the “alarming situation” the coastal city is going through due to the coronavirus outbreak.

    "In view of the alarming situation caused by the removal of fatal victims led by the Joint Task Force appointed by the Government, we ask the competent authorities to authorize that we remove the bodies that remain in the houses," reads a message on the Twitter account of the local leader.

    Vteri described a Dantean scene: “There are bodies in houses, on sidewalks, and on street corners. The morgue is totally collapsed because of the number of deaths," she added.

    The task Force reported that it is collecting 100 bodies from the streets everyday.

    According to local media, many families have been locked up with the bodies of their relatives for up to four days and are still waiting for forensics to remove them.

    On March 30, Guayaquil City Councilor Andres Guschmer reported on Twitter that more than 400 bodies had been removed from their homes and local media said on Tuesday that almost 450 bodies were registered on the waiting list to be removed from the houses.""


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  • #8622
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    plodder wrote: »
    Apparently, the old BCG vaccine looks like it might help:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tuberculosis-vaccine-potential-game-changer-in-covid-19-fight-1.4220383

    Slightly less optimistic view on the same thing

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-bcg-vaccine.html

    Thats incredibly presumptuous and bad science. Seems to be based solely on X country has a high rate of vaccine and low deaths from Covid. There's thousands of other possible factors that you could pick. "Correlation does not prove causation" is a basic golden rule of epidemiology and stats.


  • #8623
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Lavinia wrote: »
    I have heard that in Italy last year Jan to April died more people than this year all together including covid.

    Perhaps that’s true, but how people live their lives have changed.

    Take ireland for example - all reports are that A&Es are empty - and little no one of trolleys, - does this mean that ireland doesn’t have a problem with A&E beds? Or does it mean that so many people are acting so differently that it brings the numbers back down.

    If normal life was going on, then the numbers would be higher.


  • #8624
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    Am I wrong in thinking because of the very few tests currently being done or are being analysed the numbers of confirmed cases will dramatically drop. If we are only testing 1500 a day we are unlikely to continue to see 3-400 cases a day and that the numbers we were seeing last week were before the testing dramatically slowed down ...how then can we know realistically that it has peaked ?
    Surely when or if testing picks up to a more realistic level the big numbers might reappear...


  • #8625
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    I had assumed all primary school kids still got the BCG, never realised they stopped it. How are they vaccinating against TB now?

    I got it in the 90’s in primary school and have siblings who got it a number of years later also.



    BCG was definitely a primary school vaccine, I remember all the lead up to it and getting it even with the big needles etc.

    I think they generally do get it. The southern health board thing was between seventies and nineties.


  • #8626
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Lavinia wrote: »
    I have heard that in Italy last year Jan to April died more people than this year all together including covid.

    Someone wrote that here a few days ago. This will have to be backed up by factual references. I would be very happy to see those sources. Eager, even. Certainly relieved. Please provide them.


  • #8627
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    Lavinia wrote: »
    I have heard that in Italy last year Jan to April died more people than this year all together including covid.

    Had to re-read that a couple of times. Link?


  • #8628
    ettravel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭ettravel


    USA.
    will this finally wake the US population up into realising what an unjust , unequal , rat race of a kip they live in.

    certainly far from perfect in the EU countries but at least most of the time, most have good intentions. I love the US but will this be the stray that breaks the canals back.


  • #8629
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    The best thing you can have is an A4 pad in front of your face stayed in place by a hoody. Wash your hands and rip off pages. Want a pair of goggles as well in fairness.

    Yea you heard it here first. More effective than any mask in my opinion.

    Maybe a bit of tape to hold it around your face depending on the hoodie.

    The plastic bag on the face similar to Blind boy dole clubs attire could be effective


  • #8630
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    In regards to masks I was listening to a doctor on the local radio and his suggestion would be for the hse and or the emergency response group ,
    For them to issue masks to the public for when the restrictions that are issued now are relaxed.
    He believes it would be more prudent to use them


  • #8631
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭touts


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Nice to see, buts it’s a local business helping on a local scale - why are big companies in ireland not making them on wide scale production?

    Small companies tend to be a bit more agile. The equipment they have usually is designed for smaller runs so can be adjusted easier. Plus we don't really have any large apparel manufacturers left in Ireland. Most went bust. The only ones left are the O'Neills and Azzurri types.

    It will be small companies who are most innovative in a crisis like this.


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  • #8632
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    I had assumed all primary school kids still got the BCG, never realised they stopped it. How are they vaccinating against TB now?

    I got it in the 90’s in primary school and have siblings who got it a number of years later also.



    BCG was definitely a primary school vaccine, I remember all the lead up to it and getting it even with the big needles etc.

    Wow have no memory of it but have the marks on my arm


  • #8633
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭touts


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Perhaps that’s true, but how people live their lives have changed.

    Take ireland for example - all reports are that A&Es are empty - and little no one of trolleys, - does this mean that ireland doesn’t have a problem with A&E beds? Or does it mean that so many people are acting so differently that it brings the numbers back down.

    If normal life was going on, then the numbers would be higher.

    Certainly everything being closed has helped. I'd say sports injuries are pretty rare at the moment. Road traffic accidents are probably well down.

    But a major factor will be the pubs being closed. A&Es are mayhem on a Saturday night and a huge portion appear to be drink related.

    And the worried well aren't going there anymore. Now they are more scared of Covid-19 than the symptoms they think they have.

    However it does seem many people with genuine symptoms are not attending and this is a problem. Strokes, heart attacks, cancer, serious illness etc haven't all stepped aside to let the virus have a clear run at people.


  • #8634
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    In the context of masks, this is an interesting discussion by four experts on the topic. on the matter. One of the contributors, a research scientist called Howard, believes that masks are of such importance that he set up this non profit website which contains links to a lot of research, much of which focuses on the efficacy of homemade masks.


  • #8635
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    In the context of masks, this is an interesting discussion by four experts on the topic. on the matter. One of the contributors, a research scientist called Howard, believes that masks are of such importance that he set up this non profit website which contains links to a lot of research, much of which focuses on the efficacy of homemade masks.

    What did the other 3 experts say?


  • #8636
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    What did the other 3 experts say?

    Did you miss the link? They mostly agree that masks are important.


  • #8637
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Do you have any links for them reports please?

    A couple of months ago - how many months ago? - Before the Christmas? January?
    I was sitting having a cup of tea in town and a friend who is a manager of a shop came over to me and said she had had people in and they had been told to buy up masks etc and send them home to China. She thought it was bizzare. I explained what was happening there, to her as I had been voluntarily helping update another website re information on covid and its spread. That was a friday in late January as far as i can remember.


  • #8638
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think they generally do get it. The southern health board thing was between seventies and nineties.

    The HSE stopped doing the BCG in 2015. The NHS had stopped at some point before that as my son was born in the UK in 2012 and the BCG wasn't on his vaccine schedule. I got him booked in for it once we moved home. But the vast, vast majority of people in Ireland have had the BCG surely? And a reasonable amount of older-elderly people actually had TB and as such tend to have stronger antibodies than someone who's antibodies developed from vaccination.


  • #8639
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Hopefully a good sign from Bergamo
    https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1245992519390855168?s=19


  • #8640
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    I remember years ago that at the Materials and Surface Science (MSSI) Research Institute at UL there was a research team that made laboratory worktop surfaces that were anti-viral. I can't seem to find anything on it now. I'm wondering are PPEs scrubs made from anti-viral materials?


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  • #8641
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    circadian wrote: »
    I had the BCG in NI, I think it's pretty standard in the UK.

    On the UK, specifically london in past number of years there were shortages in the BCG. They didn’t offer it to kids because of this. There was a ‘new’ vaccine which wasn’t as well tested as the old one.

    You were able to source privately if you really wanted it.


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