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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #8912
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Over a 1000 health care workers are positive for Covid19. Claiming less than 10% directly due to work. Vast majority due to point contact from outside work.

    If true this indicates there are a lot more positive cases in the population.


  • #8913
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    UK Update

    Another 708 in hospital deaths just been confirmed
    Another 3735 cases also confirmed.
    Just 6570 people were tested yesterday.

    Looking more closely at numbers it seems that whilst 6570 people were tested, 10,984 tests were actually carried out which suggests that more than 50% of patients are being tested more than once.

    Are they so unsure of the accuracy of these tests that they are testing the majority of patients twice, or is testing people multiple times being done to boost the numbers in view of the governments new targets?


  • #8914
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    lordlame wrote: »
    Ssssh ... don’t go against the xenophobia in here by talking sense :pac:

    How is it xenophobic? Some people are blaming the Chinese government because of their actions not because they are Chinese.

    Silly


  • #8915
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    auspicious wrote: »
    CNN report
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/03/americas/guayaquil-ecuador-overwhelmed-coronavirus-intl/index.html

    Twitter vids
    https://mobile.twitter.com/bottawestpoint/status/1245392930967347200

    Is this legit?

    all I can say is that itis very like the films I saw coming from Wuhan in the early days before the drastic shutdown. except for the indidivual cremations on the street


  • #8916
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1246422457927577601

    Over 700 in the whole UK today.


    Those figures should be taken with a large does of skepticism.



    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/why-what-we-think-we-know-about-the-uks-coronavirus-death-toll-is-wrong


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  • #8917
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Over a 1000 health care workers are positive for Covid19. Claiming less than 10% directly due to work. Vast majority due to point contact from outside work.

    If true this indicates there are a lot more positive cases in the population.

    In a weird way it might be better if there are hundreds of thousands infected and our icu and deaths level off over the coming weeks. Thus would mean CFR is much lower then anticipated and that we may have way more immune then we thought.

    Best scenario appears to be that this has been more contagious then thought and most of us have it or had it. The deaths and sick are still horrible to see but it would certainly put a more reassuring context on the numbers. I hazzard a disappointing guess that this is not the case when you look at nuts figures in Italy/Spain.

    Need to get those tests that check for antibodies. I had a temp of 39oC for a day couple of days weeks ago and didn’t think much of it. But for all I know my whole family had it and are immune.


  • #8918
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Over a 1000 health care workers are positive for Covid19. Claiming less than 10% directly due to work. Vast majority due to point contact from outside work.

    If true this indicates there are a lot more positive cases in the population.
    60x > 1,000x, depending on whose figures you work off. 1,000x was a throw-away remark at UK press conference last week.

    We probably have had north of 250,000 infections so far, using 60x, it has been wild in the community here since late Jan.


  • #8919
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Seems US has taken goods in a third party country on grounds they are US property because they are manufactured by a us company (3m). Wonder what possible consequences if they deploy similar measures.

    Our gov will defo appease them. Better get orders in now.

    Uk might start taking paracetamol made in Waterford.
    We all know about the ventilators made here.


    https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1246399767174950917?s=21

    France cancelled orders going to the NHS in Britain from French factories. Unless the US engage in high seas piracy they are just doing what other countries are or would do

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #8920
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    fritzelly wrote: »
    That's completely different from what the poster is saying
    Healthcare workers have a primary goal - to help people less fortunate/sick (it's not a job for people involved, its more vocational). They won't just drop tools in an emergency

    I’m not saying they will drop tools but if they don’t have the equipment needed it is impossible for them to treat patients safely. For their own protection, protection of others patients, other staff and their own families they need to be equipped in way that is safe.

    Look how the Chinese are equipped even getting onto plans to check people’s temperatures


  • #8921
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's politicking at the worst possible time and really not helpful to anyone.

    When is the truth not helpful? When is there a right time to speak the truth? You just don’t like it because she is saying it which is s lazy argument.


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  • #8922
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    devnull wrote: »
    UK Update

    Another 708 in hospital deaths just been confirmed
    Another 3735 cases also confirmed.
    Just 6570 people were tested yesterday.

    Looking more closely at numbers it seems that whilst 6570 people were tested, 10,984 tests were actually carried out which suggests that more than 50% of patients are being tested more than once.

    Are they so unsure of the accuracy of these tests that they are testing the majority of patients twice, or is testing people multiple times being done to boost the numbers in view of the governments new targets?

    Would they be including the testing and retesting of recovering patients?

    As in a person tests positive. Then (afaik) they need 2 negative tests to be shown to be clear of the virus. That's how they were doing it on the cruise ship a few weeks ago.


  • #8923
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    10-michael-kountouris-greece.jpg

    Michelangelo's famous depiction of God reaching out to touch Adam into life on the Sistine Chapel ceiling has changed.

    ;)


  • #8924
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Sean 18 wrote: »
    I wonder if the weather is fine in June could they do the state exams out in the open? maybe that's the only way they will probably go ahead

    I had a discussion with a friend who is a teacher. He was saying they could just keep students couple meters apart.

    I’m not sure that’s wise. Exams are not life or death, just a necessity within the system we have constructed. If one child dies or many children get infected from a cluster that can be traced back to exams, this will show up the negligence in having exams.

    I sort of find it odd that these are considered relevant or so important to be had. Colleges will have to wait. Systems will have to just put up and change to prioritize the health of children who should not be put in harms way to facilitate an education system.

    Plenty of reports that this virus can be more contagious then a few feet. It just feels that some authorities still don’t get it. I can understand them trying to work it out but not insisting on exams because the system demands it.


  • #8925
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I had a discussion with a friend who is a teacher. He was saying they could just keep students couple meters apart.

    I’m not sure that’s wise. Exams are not life or death, just a necessity within the system we have constructed. If one child dies or many children get infected from a cluster that can be traced back to exams, this will show up the negligence in having exams.

    I sort of find it odd that these are considered relevant or so important to be had. Colleges will have to wait. Systems will have to just put up and change to prioritize the health of children who should not be put in harms way to facilitate an education system.

    Plenty of reports that this virus can be more contagious then a few feet. It just feels that some authorities still don’t get it. I can understand them trying to work it out but not insisting on exams because the system demands it.

    Aye metal handles, lift buttons et all are all major vectors for transmission.


  • #8926
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    And yet I haven't heard any media reports of significant sickness amongst supermarket workers, and they are there all day every day?

    If you go in and get your shopping efficiently, and unless you are unlucky enough to get directly sneezed on etc. and you come home and wash your hands, empty the goods, take off packaging where possible and put away the goods, and wash your hands again (sounds a lot of actions but not really), the risk should be reasonably small. I hope!

    More articles suggesting the supermarket is quite risky. What are people's thoughts in terms of why we are not hearing about their staff falling ill so?


  • #8927
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Sean 18 wrote: »
    I wonder if the weather is fine in June could they do the state exams out in the open? maybe that's the only way they will probably go ahead

    You can never trust Irish weather. There's a risk of getting either sunburnt or drenched or both.


  • #8928
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    I don't think there is any one particular reason why the Italy and Spain death rates are so high.
    I believe it's a combination of:
    -High percentage of old people.
    -Lots of smokers (not even vapes, just ol fashioned cigarettes and cigars).
    -Poor air quality in cities (too many cars with those nasty diesel engines).


  • #8929
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Would be good for us as I think it was blanket vaccination up until ten years ago.
    we had problems sourcing it from 2015. we started giving it in the 1950s. we stopped the booster circe 1995.


  • #8930
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    More articles suggesting the supermarket is quite risky. What are people's thoughts in terms of why we are not hearing about their staff falling ill so?

    It is strange. There is no doubt they are the riskiest places now purely down to traffic.


  • #8931
    Going Demented
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Going Demented


    Absolutely useless with figures. Are we doing good or doing bad. When i look at deaths per million I think we are doing bad but then i live in hope we are doing good?


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  • #8932
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭blackcard


    devnull wrote: »
    UK Update

    Another 708 in hospital deaths just been confirmed
    Another 3735 cases also confirmed.
    Just 6570 people were tested yesterday.

    Looking more closely at numbers it seems that whilst 6570 people were tested, 10,984 tests were actually carried out which suggests that more than 50% of patients are being tested more than once.

    Are they so unsure of the accuracy of these tests that they are testing the majority of patients twice, or is testing people multiple times being done to boost the numbers in view of the governments new targets?

    Probably different time frames. 6750 tested yesterday but 10984 test results, from previous day/days received of which 3735 cases were positive


  • #8933
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    When is the truth not helpful? When is there a right time to speak the truth? You just don’t like it because she is saying it which is s lazy argument.
    Personally would put it in category of tone deaf. People are getting sick and dying everywhere. In the middle of a pandemic is not the right time The reason there are issues for her to "highlight" is the overall US response to this. She can come back to it afterwards.


  • #8934
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    bekker wrote: »
    60x > 1,000x, depending on whose figures you work off. 1,000x was a throw-away remark at UK press conference last week.

    We probably have had north of 250,000 infections so far, using 60x, it has been wild in the community here since late Jan.

    Its what I heard on the 2 pm news headlines. I think the reporter said 6% of healthcare workers tested positive was directly work related. I could be wrong. Will need to listen again later.

    True positive values in the community would likely be 15 to 20 times higher.


  • #8935
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    Don't be so dramatic, unless you're over 85 the odds of you dying are extremely low

    Less than 1% of the UK population died in WW2 (only about half a million). Anybody in the UK who said that the war might kill them was consequently being a bit of a drama queen, unless they happened to be in the RAF in south east England.

    Incidentally the world mortality of WW2 at 3% is about the same as Covid-19 (or at least the risk that the virus poses). Food for thought.


  • #8936
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    I don't think there is any one particular reason why the Italy and Spain death rates are so high.
    I believe it's a combination of:
    -High percentage of old people.
    -Lots of smokers (not even vapes, just ol fashioned cigarettes and cigars).
    -Poor air quality in cities (too many cars with those nasty diesel engines).

    The smokers thing is an interesting variable. I recall Dr Aylward stating that in their initial work in China they didn’t single out smoking as a major factor explaining deaths. Seems very difficult to believe that a virus that creates severe rhespiratory issues Would not be more risky for smokers.

    I would also wonder if spain and Italy are more huggy, kissy or touchy communities. That would lead to virus spreading much quicker.

    Another thing that’s been surprising has been the supposed lower numbers in India and third world or poorer countries. Is that due to testing limits or something else? I think WHO said that some third world countries may lack the resources to manage this but have better experience with outbreaks (like Ebola) so may be able to handle them better.


  • #8937
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Seems US has taken goods in a third party country on grounds they are US property because they are manufactured by a us company (3m). Wonder what possible consequences if they deploy similar measures.

    Our gov will defo appease them. Better get orders in now.

    Uk might start taking paracetamol made in Waterford.
    We all know about the ventilators made here.


    https://twitter.com/drericding/status/1246399767174950917?s=21
    silverharp wrote: »
    France cancelled orders going to the NHS in Britain from French factories. Unless the US engage in high seas piracy they are just doing what other countries are or would do

    You clearly didn't read the article but I'll indulge you. I'm not aware of any country seizing goods in a different country where they have no jurisdiction to do so. Whatever about if it is in their country.

    So no other country has done this or as you like to put "would" do this. Because it is illegal.
    As 3M is an American-owned company, the US was able to 'confiscate' the shipment of special FFP2 and FFP3 masks which were on their way to healthcare workers battling the COVID-19 outbreak in Berlin.

    The masks had been delivered from 3M's factory in Shanghai and were due to be reloaded in Bangkok and flown to Germany.

    But instead, the masks were intercepted at Bangkok Airport and instead went to the US.

    'We consider that an act of modern piracy,' Berlin's interior minister Andreas Geisel blasted.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8186041/An-act-modern-day-piracy-Germany-France-accuse-seizing-shipments-medical-masks.html


  • #8938
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Going Demented wrote: »
    Absolutely useless with figures. Are we doing good or doing bad. When i look at deaths per million I think we are doing bad but then i live in hope we are doing good?
    I keep it simple and just go with the change in the daily rates for us and the (approximate) ICU numbers. Others are keen to discuss all of the numbers, their significance and their veracity. I think we're going the right way, more good than bad IMO.


  • #8939
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Going Demented wrote: »
    Absolutely useless with figures. Are we doing good or doing bad. When i look at deaths per million I think we are doing bad but then i live in hope we are doing good?

    The worry is, given what we know about clusters, that a large proportion of deaths may be occurring in nursing homes, and so the social isolation and cocooning measures will have minimal impact on the daily figures - France has said that its recent spike in fatalities is largely attributable to the same reason.


  • #8940
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I had a discussion with a friend who is a teacher. He was saying they could just keep students couple meters apart.

    I’m not sure that’s wise. Exams are not life or death, just a necessity within the system we have constructed. If one child dies or many children get infected from a cluster that can be traced back to exams, this will show up the negligence in having exams.

    I sort of find it odd that these are considered relevant or so important to be had. Colleges will have to wait. Systems will have to just put up and change to prioritize the health of children who should not be put in harms way to facilitate an education system.

    Plenty of reports that this virus can be more contagious then a few feet. It just feels that some authorities still don’t get it. I can understand them trying to work it out but not insisting on exams because the system demands it.
    To many the Leaving Cert is a matter of life and death, for the vast majority it determines the ultimate course of their lifetime income potential.

    That in turn influences their general state of health, their access to better medical treatment, and their ultimate lifespan.

    Dropping points, or providing free passes to university courses will simply devalue qualifications for that entry cohort.

    If at all possible the exams should go ahead, it is not beyond our ability to organise relative same environments for them.


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  • #8941
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    The worry is, given what we know about clusters, that a large proportion of deaths may be occurring in nursing homes, and so the social isolation and cocooning measures will have minimal impact on the daily figures - France has said that its recent spike in fatalities is largely attributable to the same reason.
    I think it was said during the week that the cluster sizes are at about 5 here.


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