CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

ArchXStanton · 03-04-2020 06:29PM

Achasanai wrote: »

Why would the figures over the last few days indicate that it was circulating here before the first official case? This idea comes up a fair bit, but it seems odd with the trajectory that we're seeing that it could be circulating but not causing the hospital cases/ICU cases/deaths that we are suddenly receiving after the first official case.

The symptoms - sometimes - can be like the flu, so it's far more likely that it was that.

We were on top of the social distancing measures fairly quickly here, I'm just surprised at the figures the last few days here

podgeandrodge · 03-04-2020 06:30PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

We were on top of the social distancing measures fairly quickly here, I'm just surprised at the figures the last few days here

Yes, one would hope the upshot of our social distancing would soon become clear. It's hard to figure where all the people are getting infected now are with what we all know. Hopefully the current figures reflect pre distancing measures still.

stephenjmcd · 03-04-2020 06:31PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How are they adding up the numbers? How are deaths calculated? Is it 120 for the past day?

No, 22 deaths. Total overall 120

jackboy · 03-04-2020 06:31PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Couldn't be too long before sure we would've had cases present to hospital with breathing issues.

There were many such cases before Christmas. However, it was mostly children. Almost none of them had to be admitted though. Sent home with a prescription.

Someone here said before it was an unusual strain of the flu. Had it myself, breathing issues for about a week.

03-04-2020 06:32PM

boardise wrote: »

All George is short is a skeleton suit and a scythe. ..or possibly a T-shirt with little coffins on the front.

My problem is that George (RTE's science correspondent) has an Economics degree, not a science one

Lot of the same old faces get shuffled around RTE it seems...

MrMusician18 · 03-04-2020 06:32PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Does that mean that only 15 out of the 120 dead were in ICU ?

Yes. I'm not a medic but I've always presumed ICU isn't offered to hopeless cases.

It's why the elderly are let pass peacefully instead of rushing then to critical care when they're are flatlining.

Away With The Fairies · 03-04-2020 06:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No, 22 deaths. Total overall 120

How are Italy, Spain and France reporting hundreds per day?

03-04-2020 06:33PM

Multipass wrote: »

You’re missing my point - a lot of people, myself included, are minimizing contact by doing a one stop shop. Yes the likes of tesco and lidl are making this possible, but they will also profit hugely at the expense of our smaller local shops. I just think some of these profits should be spread - to local businesses that had to close.

The local businesses in my area that I mentioned deliver, if the ones in your local area decide not to its not the fault of Tesco etc
Going by your logic Musgraves and Dunnes who pay their staff less than Aldi or Lidl do should be handing over their profits too.

I'm not championing multinationals here but I can't see the logic of your original post.

Rjd2 · 03-04-2020 06:34PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Soap. Use soap and wash your hands thoroughly. There are videos on youtube explaining how to do it.

Hand sanitisers help too but soap is where it's at.

soap is so cheap, less abrasive on your hands and not hard to find also.

Achasanai · 03-04-2020 06:34PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

We were on top of the social distancing measures fairly quickly here, I'm just surprised at the figures the last few days here

Figures depend on testing (I assume you mean number of cases) and we've been having some issues with this over the last few weeks.

The more important figure for what you were suggesting would be deaths: are we experiencing more deaths now than we would normally for this time of year. It was more than likely here before the first recorded case (unless that's been verified elsewhere) but I don't think it's along the lines of what some people are thinking: odd symptoms exactly matching covid19 symptoms in November/December.

stephenjmcd · 03-04-2020 06:35PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How are Italy, Spain and France reporting hundreds per day?

It's more widespread and they didnt put measures in place earlier.

Like it's not hard to work out why those sort of places are worse off. Point has also been made about more high rise tower blocks and apartments there where its rampant in certain buildings.

There probably is an under reporting of deaths still in Europe and we'll probably never know the total figure. But you cant take a comparison with us and them at the moment

Achasanai · 03-04-2020 06:36PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

soap is so cheap, less abrasive on your hands and not hard to find also.

Soap is great, but hand sanitizer is good for when you're out and about.

Sarah491 · 03-04-2020 06:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

They were in trouble anyway before all this.

Any retailer folding after a couple of weeks was never viable to begin with, a lot of them will be using this as an excuse to finally pull the plug.

True, but also people don’t buy new clothes to stay inside. I would normally buy make up and a dress from the phase 8 range in Debenhams monthly but haven’t since I started WFH

03-04-2020 06:37PM

2016 wrote: »

My problem is that George (RTE's science correspondent) has an Economics degree, not a science one

Lot of the same old faces get shuffled around RTE it seems...

Couldn't do economic or political reports after his very short stint with FG on returning to RTE

RugbyLad11 · 03-04-2020 06:37PM

jackboy wrote: »

There were many such cases before Christmas. However, it was mostly children. Almost none of them had to be admitted though. Sent home with a prescription.

Someone here said before it was an unusual strain of the flu. Had it myself, breathing issues for about a week.

That doesn't mean anything, regular flu can cause breathing issues. I had a bad flu 2 years ago with breathing issues too

Multipass · 03-04-2020 06:37PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

The local businesses in my area that I mentioned deliver, if the ones in your local area decide not to its not the fault of Tesco etc
Going by your logic Musgraves and Dunnes who pay their staff less than Aldi or Lidl do should be handing over their profits too.

I'm not championing multinationals here but I can't see the logic of your post.

No one here has any delivery slots until May. I’m buying for my 89 and 90 year old parents, so I go to as few locations as possible. We’re going to be hit with huge austerity after this. The money flying overseas into corporate hands bothers me. A lot. We’re locked down, it’s not like we have free choice.

forumdedum · 03-04-2020 06:40PM

I heard it on radio today and read an article where up to 10 metres can be dangerous. It would explain a lot though hopefully this is not the case.

Away With The Fairies · 03-04-2020 06:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's more widespread and they didnt put measures in place earlier.

Like it's not hard to work out why those sort of places are worse off. Point has also been made about more high rise tower blocks and apartments there where its rampant in certain buildings.

There probably is an under reporting of deaths still in Europe and we'll probably never know the total figure. But you cant take a comparison with us and them at the moment

And we put measures in earlier??? We allowed flights to come and go, not only that people got off these flights and were free to go wherever they wanted.

pjohnson · 03-04-2020 06:40PM

Boggles wrote: »

They were in trouble anyway before all this.

Any retailer folding after a couple of weeks was never viable to begin with, a lot of them will be using this as an excuse to finally pull the plug.

They were already downsizing to try and stay in business.

Jim_Hodge · 03-04-2020 06:40PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How are they adding up the numbers? How are deaths calculated? Is it 120 for the past day?

I find it fascinating that people struggle with the simpler facts.

Have you actually listened to, watched, or read the news?

The Department of Health has reported 22 more deaths from Covid-19 in Ireland, bringing the overall death toll to 120.

How could you seriously imagine it's 120 for the day?

minggatu · 03-04-2020 06:41PM

"On April 2, France reported 884 additional deaths that have occurred in nursing homes over the past days and weeks [source]. The French Government did not include these deaths in their official count, as their count only takes into consideration deaths of hospitalized patients. Following international standards of correct inclusion, our statistics will include these deaths, and will add them to the April 2, 2020 count following the attribution criteria of date of report."

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

Away With The Fairies · 03-04-2020 06:43PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I find it fascinating that people struggle with the simpler facts.

Have you actually listened to, watched, or read the news?

How could you seriously imagine it's 120 for the day?

Because I don't believe numbers when looking at other countries.

Achasanai · 03-04-2020 06:45PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's more widespread and they didnt put measures in place earlier.

Like it's not hard to work out why those sort of places are worse off. Point has also been made about more high rise tower blocks and apartments there where its rampant in certain buildings.

There probably is an under reporting of deaths still in Europe and we'll probably never know the total figure. But you cant take a comparison with us and them at the moment

We're tracking Italy fairly closely in terms of deaths per population (at day 10: Italy 21, Ireland 19.9) and outstripping France at that point in their trajectory. Our increase rate in cases is also broadly similar to Italy's in terms of %.

stephenjmcd · 03-04-2020 06:45PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

And we put measures in earlier??? We allowed flights to come and go, not only that people got off these flights and were free to go wherever they wanted.

The flights again.... bloody hell it's in the community here and probably was a long time before we even picked up the first case.

For probably the last 2-3 weeks the airports have been basically empty so the whole airport thing has been done and discussed time and time again.

And yes we did put measures in place earlier, we actually closed schools, pubs, mass events etc all earlier than most of those countries.

The who yesterday even said that Ireland was doing a good job in setting out the strategy to break the virus.

Logan Roy · 03-04-2020 06:46PM

Can people please stop replying to that poster?

HorseSea · 03-04-2020 06:46PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How are Italy, Spain and France reporting hundreds per day?

Do you always expect others to do everything for you, go watch/read or listen to the news. There's is plenty of it out there. :mad:

03-04-2020 06:48PM

Multipass wrote: »

No one here has any delivery slots until May. I’m buying for my 89 and 90 year old parents, so I go to as few locations as possible. We’re going to be hit with huge austerity after this. The money flying overseas into corporate hands bothers me. A lot. We’re locked down, it’s not like we have free choice.

I'm not talking about supermarkets offering delivery, the local supervalue doesn't have any either and the same for my dad's area. I'm talking about pet,fuel etc and they are delivering next day without issue around here

Do you not have a supervalue in your area they have the highest number of stores in Ireland?

Yes we are heading into austerity, but Aldi and Lidl will most likely still be paying their staff more than the Irish supermarkets and Tesco, not forgetting that Dunnes is also a multinational company.

pjohnson · 03-04-2020 06:48PM

Logan Roy wrote: »

Can people please stop replying to that poster?

Who you on about now?

Logan Roy · 03-04-2020 06:49PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Who you on about now?

The poster who is away with the birds :pac:

Away With The Fairies · 03-04-2020 06:50PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The flights again.... bloody hell it's in the community here and probably was a long time before we even picked up the first case.

For probably the last 2-3 weeks the airports have been basically empty so the whole airport thing has been done and discussed time and time again.

And yes we did put measures in place earlier, we actually closed schools, pubs, mass events etc all earlier than most of those countries.

The who yesterday even said that Ireland was doing a good job in setting out the strategy to break the virus.

Well they could have stopped flights instead of welcoming in more cases of the virus. Plane loads of people. If people weren't allowed to go on skiing trips or Cheltenham, things might be slightly better off.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP