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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #8072
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Looking at the figures the last few days, anyone else think this was circulating well before the first official case here?


    Why would the figures over the last few days indicate that it was circulating here before the first official case? This idea comes up a fair bit, but it seems odd with the trajectory that we're seeing that it could be circulating but not causing the hospital cases/ICU cases/deaths that we are suddenly receiving after the first official case.



    The symptoms - sometimes - can be like the flu, so it's far more likely that it was that.


  • #8073
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    citysights wrote: »
    Yes devastating to hear IMF chief talking like that, let the well people go back to work and cocoon the vulnerable and elderly, we can do that and we should.

    That's not going to happen as has been pointed out to you before.

    It's not that simple to just cocoon elderly and vulnerable. Many elderly and vulnerable people live with people who aren't in that group. Where do you expect those family members to live because if they go out to work everyday, they have the risk of bringing it home to the elderly and vulnerable. It's not a viable option to send everybody back to work at the moment and it won't be for some time to come regardless of the economic crisis that will follow.

    How people don't understand this is beyond me. Just because you might not live with someone in an at risk group, thousands of others do.


  • #8074
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    That's high

    Now includes nursing home figures, it didn't previously. Not sure if that increase is spread over a time period >24 hours?


  • #8075
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Fuel, I'm still getting mine from the local garage as they are cheaper than Centra and our supermarket doesn't do gas bottles. Believe the fuel depot in the next town is still open, but more costly to travel there and any savings would be lost.

    Same with the pet food, we've a small rescue and couldn't afford to buy it in the supermarket and the local pet shop who is still open as per the regs and gives us a good discount.

    Local builders providers also does essential items as per the regs.

    If your local shops for these items have closed on their own accord because of covid, assuming they suddenly haven't gone bankrupt its not really the supermarkets fault.

    You’re missing my point - a lot of people, myself included, are minimizing contact by doing a one stop shop. Yes the likes of tesco and lidl are making this possible, but they will also profit hugely at the expense of our smaller local shops. I just think some of these profits should be spread - to local businesses that had to close.


  • #8076
    Away With The Fairies
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    How are they adding up the numbers? How are deaths calculated? Is it 120 for the past day?


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  • #8077
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Just in regards to PPE , Paul Reid was on rte news this evening. I'll post below what he said, but for people who were saying the whole PPE order wasn't fit for purpose that isn't true, I have family working in various dublin hospitals and was talking to some of them this evening. Of the PPE they have from the new batch they said out of a say 100 gowns you might find a handful that theres a defect, they've also got equipment that they aren't used to, heavier full suits basically. Overall of the ones I spoke to they're happy with the PPE that was delivered and are accepting that it was a first batch that took a week from order to delivery, there was always going to be some issues. Now that's just their batches in the area they work in, others may be different but it does seem to be a small amount.

    Paul reid taken form rte:
    "The head of the HSE has said that only a "smaller proportion" of PPE that has arrived here is unusable.

    Paul Reid told RTÉ's Six One that if something isn't usable, then the HSE will not be distributing it to staff.

    He said that some of what has arrived is not to the specification required, and that suppliers are working with them to ensure that what comes in the next batches of deliveries are correct.

    Mr Reid said the HSE is grateful to have been able to secure these orders and that "many countries are envious" of the scale of PPE that we have been able to secure here."


  • #8078
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    shocksy wrote: »
    I think you forgot about Aldi and Lidl.

    and M&S


  • #8079
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Achasanai wrote: »
    Why would the figures over the last few days indicate that it was circulating here before the first official case? This idea comes up a fair bit, but it seems odd with the trajectory that we're seeing that it could be circulating but not causing the hospital cases/ICU cases/deaths that we are suddenly receiving after the first official case.



    The symptoms - sometimes - can be like the flu, so it's far more likely that it was that.


    We were on top of the social distancing measures fairly quickly here, I'm just surprised at the figures the last few days here


  • #8080
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    We were on top of the social distancing measures fairly quickly here, I'm just surprised at the figures the last few days here

    Yes, one would hope the upshot of our social distancing would soon become clear. It's hard to figure where all the people are getting infected now are with what we all know. Hopefully the current figures reflect pre distancing measures still.


  • #8081
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How are they adding up the numbers? How are deaths calculated? Is it 120 for the past day?

    No, 22 deaths. Total overall 120


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  • #8082
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭jackboy


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Couldn't be too long before sure we would've had cases present to hospital with breathing issues.

    There were many such cases before Christmas. However, it was mostly children. Almost none of them had to be admitted though. Sent home with a prescription.

    Someone here said before it was an unusual strain of the flu. Had it myself, breathing issues for about a week.


  • #8083
    2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭2016


    boardise wrote: »
    All George is short is a skeleton suit and a scythe. ..or possibly a T-shirt with little coffins on the front.

    My problem is that George (RTE's science correspondent) has an Economics degree, not a science one :(

    Lot of the same old faces get shuffled around RTE it seems...


  • #8084
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,127 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Does that mean that only 15 out of the 120 dead were in ICU ?
    Yes. I'm not a medic but I've always presumed ICU isn't offered to hopeless cases.

    It's why the elderly are let pass peacefully instead of rushing then to critical care when they're are flatlining.


  • #8085
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    No, 22 deaths. Total overall 120

    How are Italy, Spain and France reporting hundreds per day?


  • #8086
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Multipass wrote: »
    You’re missing my point - a lot of people, myself included, are minimizing contact by doing a one stop shop. Yes the likes of tesco and lidl are making this possible, but they will also profit hugely at the expense of our smaller local shops. I just think some of these profits should be spread - to local businesses that had to close.

    The local businesses in my area that I mentioned deliver, if the ones in your local area decide not to its not the fault of Tesco etc
    Going by your logic Musgraves and Dunnes who pay their staff less than Aldi or Lidl do should be handing over their profits too.

    I'm not championing multinationals here but I can't see the logic of your original post.


  • #8087
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,267 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Soap. Use soap and wash your hands thoroughly. There are videos on youtube explaining how to do it.


    Hand sanitisers help too but soap is where it's at.

    soap is so cheap, less abrasive on your hands and not hard to find also.


  • #8088
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    We were on top of the social distancing measures fairly quickly here, I'm just surprised at the figures the last few days here


    Figures depend on testing (I assume you mean number of cases) and we've been having some issues with this over the last few weeks.



    The more important figure for what you were suggesting would be deaths: are we experiencing more deaths now than we would normally for this time of year. It was more than likely here before the first recorded case (unless that's been verified elsewhere) but I don't think it's along the lines of what some people are thinking: odd symptoms exactly matching covid19 symptoms in November/December.


  • #8089
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How are Italy, Spain and France reporting hundreds per day?

    It's more widespread and they didnt put measures in place earlier.

    Like it's not hard to work out why those sort of places are worse off. Point has also been made about more high rise tower blocks and apartments there where its rampant in certain buildings.

    There probably is an under reporting of deaths still in Europe and we'll probably never know the total figure. But you cant take a comparison with us and them at the moment


  • #8090
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    soap is so cheap, less abrasive on your hands and not hard to find also.


    Soap is great, but hand sanitizer is good for when you're out and about.


  • #8091
    Sarah491
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 ✭Sarah491


    Boggles wrote: »
    They were in trouble anyway before all this.

    Any retailer folding after a couple of weeks was never viable to begin with, a lot of them will be using this as an excuse to finally pull the plug.

    True, but also people don’t buy new clothes to stay inside. I would normally buy make up and a dress from the phase 8 range in Debenhams monthly but haven’t since I started WFH


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  • #8092
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2016 wrote: »
    My problem is that George (RTE's science correspondent) has an Economics degree, not a science one :(

    Lot of the same old faces get shuffled around RTE it seems...

    Couldn't do economic or political reports after his very short stint with FG on returning to RTE


  • #8093
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    jackboy wrote: »
    There were many such cases before Christmas. However, it was mostly children. Almost none of them had to be admitted though. Sent home with a prescription.

    Someone here said before it was an unusual strain of the flu. Had it myself, breathing issues for about a week.

    That doesn't mean anything, regular flu can cause breathing issues. I had a bad flu 2 years ago with breathing issues too


  • #8094
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    The local businesses in my area that I mentioned deliver, if the ones in your local area decide not to its not the fault of Tesco etc
    Going by your logic Musgraves and Dunnes who pay their staff less than Aldi or Lidl do should be handing over their profits too.

    I'm not championing multinationals here but I can't see the logic of your post.

    No one here has any delivery slots until May. I’m buying for my 89 and 90 year old parents, so I go to as few locations as possible. We’re going to be hit with huge austerity after this. The money flying overseas into corporate hands bothers me. A lot. We’re locked down, it’s not like we have free choice.


  • #8095
    forumdedum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    I heard it on radio today and read an article where up to 10 metres can be dangerous. It would explain a lot though hopefully this is not the case.


  • #8096
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    It's more widespread and they didnt put measures in place earlier.

    Like it's not hard to work out why those sort of places are worse off. Point has also been made about more high rise tower blocks and apartments there where its rampant in certain buildings.

    There probably is an under reporting of deaths still in Europe and we'll probably never know the total figure. But you cant take a comparison with us and them at the moment

    And we put measures in earlier??? We allowed flights to come and go, not only that people got off these flights and were free to go wherever they wanted.


  • #8097
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,085 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Boggles wrote: »
    They were in trouble anyway before all this.

    Any retailer folding after a couple of weeks was never viable to begin with, a lot of them will be using this as an excuse to finally pull the plug.

    They were already downsizing to try and stay in business.


  • #8098
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    How are they adding up the numbers? How are deaths calculated? Is it 120 for the past day?

    I find it fascinating that people struggle with the simpler facts.

    Have you actually listened to, watched, or read the news?
    The Department of Health has reported 22 more deaths from Covid-19 in Ireland, bringing the overall death toll to 120.

    How could you seriously imagine it's 120 for the day?


  • #8099
    minggatu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭minggatu


    "On April 2, France reported 884 additional deaths that have occurred in nursing homes over the past days and weeks [source]. The French Government did not include these deaths in their official count, as their count only takes into consideration deaths of hospitalized patients. Following international standards of correct inclusion, our statistics will include these deaths, and will add them to the April 2, 2020 count following the attribution criteria of date of report."

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/


  • #8100
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I find it fascinating that people struggle with the simpler facts.

    Have you actually listened to, watched, or read the news?



    How could you seriously imagine it's 120 for the day?

    Because I don't believe numbers when looking at other countries.


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  • #8101
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    It's more widespread and they didnt put measures in place earlier.

    Like it's not hard to work out why those sort of places are worse off. Point has also been made about more high rise tower blocks and apartments there where its rampant in certain buildings.

    There probably is an under reporting of deaths still in Europe and we'll probably never know the total figure. But you cant take a comparison with us and them at the moment


    We're tracking Italy fairly closely in terms of deaths per population (at day 10: Italy 21, Ireland 19.9) and outstripping France at that point in their trajectory. Our increase rate in cases is also broadly similar to Italy's in terms of %.


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