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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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    #3542
    efanton
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    Well it looks like a new election is on it way


    Fine Gael will only go into Government with Fianna Fáil if a third party is also involved, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/we-need-a-third-party-to-form-a-stable-government-with-fianna-fail-says-varadkar-991866.html

    Unless of course FG and FF are going to dowhat they claimed they would never do and that is to invite SF to join them.

    Isn't it sad when FG and FF just ignore what others have said and continue to only hear what they want to hear.
    If Labour have said no, and the Greens have said no, who else does Leo expect to join them?
    Kind of reminds you of the the 'consent' campaign that has been running for the last few years especially in the universities. NO should mean NO and nothing else.

    It seems Leo is restricting the options for government formation even further.
    Why would he rule out Independents joining coalition is he really wanted a coalition to be formed?


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    #3543
    efanton
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    smurgen wrote: »
    Terrible stuff from Madigan today.Maybe she should stick to giving insurance claim advice.

    https://twitter.com/josephamadigan/status/1245732596119744513?s=19


    Says the woman in the Dail with no one within 5 metres of her.
    Its perfectly safe to hold a leaders question and answer session by dramatically reducing numbers attending and ensuring sufficient space is kept between TD's as was done today. They are in a place of work after all crucial to the running of the country.
    Now more than ever is the time for government to inform Dail members and opposition parties of what is happening, and allow political oversight.

    Sadly it seems FG might be milking this crisis for political gain, which if it is the case is absolutely disgraceful. At best they are expecting to be allowed to govern with no oversight whatsoever. Either is bad for democracy and bad for Ireland in the coming months when even more crucial decisions will have to be made.

    The last time we had a government making decisions with no oversight in the midst of a crisis it did not go well at all. Have FG learnt nothing from the banking crisis?


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    #3544
    Jizique
    Registered Users Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Jizique


    efanton wrote: »
    Well it looks like a new election is on it way


    Fine Gael will only go into Government with Fianna Fáil if a third party is also involved, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/we-need-a-third-party-to-form-a-stable-government-with-fianna-fail-says-varadkar-991866.html

    Unless of course FG and FF are going to dowhat they claimed they would never do and that is to invite SF to join them.

    Isn't it sad when FG and FF just ignore what others have said and continue to only hear what they want to hear.
    If Labour have said no, and the Greens have said no, who else does Leo expect to join them?
    Kind of reminds you of the the 'consent' campaign that has been running for the last few years especially in the universities. NO should mean NO and nothing else.

    It seems Leo is restricting the options for government formation even further.
    Why would he rule out Independents joining coalition is he really wanted a coalition to be formed?

    The clue might be in the name - independents...
    Ready to jump and run at the first sign of any tricky decision


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    #3545
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    smurgen wrote: »
    Terrible stuff from Madigan today.Maybe she should stick to giving insurance claim advice.

    https://twitter.com/josephamadigan/status/1245732596119744513?s=19

    She is right
    The Dail could easily have sat via video conferencing
    Companies are doing it every day


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    #3546
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    She is right
    The Dail could easily have sat via video conferencing
    Companies are doing it every day

    They're in TV studios and posing for photographs everyday with an entourage but can't sit at a safe distance in the Dail to face scrutiny during a crucial time?


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    #3547
    efanton
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭efanton


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    She is right
    The Dail could easily have sat via video conferencing
    Companies are doing it every day

    And those attending the Dail today all agreed that a weekly leaders q&A need not be held in Dail chambers and said as you have said it could just as easily be done by video conferencing. The point agreed by almost all of those in attendance was that the weekly leaders question time should not be suspended and could take place in a safe manner.

    What Josepha Madigan was suggesting was that the weekly Q&A should be suspended. She certainly is not right about that.





    Dont know if you are able to read all this, its from the Irish times and might be behind a pay wall. Have quoted the key parts for you just in case
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miriam-lord-you-cannot-cocoon-democracy-or-can-you-1.4219479
    It must be all of two days ago when we chuckled at the idea of “Dublin on the Danube” and RBB’s daft notion that giving the government emergency powers during a national crisis could encourage Viktor Orbán-like tendencies amongst our betters in Government Buildings.

    This isn’t Hungary.

    But Boyd-Barrett has us worried now.

    With a large number of TDs in agreement, he led the charge against cancelling Thursday’s Dáil sitting. It went ahead and their subsequent arguments against suspending parliament came across as non-confrontational, non-political and reasonable.

    Now more than ever, with people worried and uncertain and contacting them with urgent questions, they fervently believe they should be able to get answers and accountability from its political leaders.
    Micheal Healy-Rae echoed the sentiments of many of the speakers when praising Simon Harris and the Government for its work. However, that does not mean questions shouldn’t be asked.

    “It’s not that we want to come in here and knock stripes out of you, or anything like that,” said the Kerry TD.

    So they asked their questions of the Government. They good ones too, genuine and relevant.

    Opposition deputies, doing their jobs.

    At the same time as the Dáil was doing its unsatisfactory thing, the Minister for Finance was holding a press briefing in Government Buildings.

    It didn’t go well. If Opposition TDs were frustrated in Kildare Street, journalists were left fuming in Merrion Street.

    Having asked them to attend (a small number, in accordance with the necessary restrictions), they were then asked to pre-submit their questions. These were read out by Paschal Donohoe’s press aide, who then replied as the mute hacks looked on.

    Disgracefully, they were not allowed to ask follow-up questions, so Paschal could effectively say what he liked without being challenged. Microphones were not provided because of hygiene issues. The reporters could have been heard without them, but they weren’t given the chance.

    This doesn’t even happen in the White House.

    But it happens here, in Government Buildings.

    And Hungary.

    So we’re exaggerating. A trivial thing to worry about in the current, terrible scheme of things.

    Or is it?


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    #3548
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    efanton wrote: »
    Are you suggesting the Leo did not take advice and he and his ministers made it up all by themselves and decided what action to take without advice? Of course they did not, they did exactly what they were advised to do.

    Thankfully the health advisers we had advised getting a grip on this crisis as soon as possible. Dont forget in the UK they followed the advice of their health experts, but it turned out not to be the best advice after all.

    I dont like Michael Martin or what he stands for at all, but I fail to see how he would have done anything different to what Leo did considering that both would have been following the same advice and simply implementing it.
    You could argue about the implementation of advice given, and whether this would be done better by one party over another but you certainly could not argue that the actions taken by FG would have been any different to those of FF or SF, except of course SF wanted the airports shutdown, and argued vehemently that €210 was simply not enough as an emergency payment for those forced out of their jobs.

    I would hope he wouldn't have lied and used spin/PR as much as Leo and Simon have. I think Martin, or any other party leader would have seen the crisis for what it is and been straight with the nation.


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    #3549
    Whelo79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Is Leo Varadkar a sociopath? His recent and unexplainable decision to pose for a photo opportunity, grinning from ear to ear showing off his best power pose, at the opening of the isolation facility at Citywest is to me another example of how emotionally detached from reality he is. People dying, hospital workers on their knees, ICU's near capacity, elderly confined to their homes, economy on the verge of collapsing back into recession, small business owners watching their livelihoods disappear, etc etc. But Leo see's this as a prime opportunity for some PR. What right minded person thinks that way?

    Profile of the Sociopath

    Glibness and Superficial Charm.
    Manipulative and Conning. They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. ...
    Grandiose Sense of Self. ...
    Pathological Lying. ...
    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt. ...
    Shallow Emotions. ...
    Incapacity for Love.
    Need for Stimulation.


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    #3550
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,347 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    efanton wrote: »
    Well it looks like a new election is on it way


    Fine Gael will only go into Government with Fianna Fáil if a third party is also involved, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/we-need-a-third-party-to-form-a-stable-government-with-fianna-fail-says-varadkar-991866.html

    Unless of course FG and FF are going to dowhat they claimed they would never do and that is to invite SF to join them.

    Isn't it sad when FG and FF just ignore what others have said and continue to only hear what they want to hear.
    If Labour have said no, and the Greens have said no, who else does Leo expect to join them?
    Kind of reminds you of the the 'consent' campaign that has been running for the last few years especially in the universities. NO should mean NO and nothing else.

    It seems Leo is restricting the options for government formation even further.
    Why would he rule out Independents joining coalition is he really wanted a coalition to be formed?


    There are 86 other TDs, if they don't want to join FF and FG, form their own government!

    SF should do the decent thing and offer a confidence and supply arrangement.


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    #3551
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,347 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    efanton wrote: »
    And those attending the Dail today all agreed that a weekly leaders q&A need not be held in Dail chambers and said as you have said it could just as easily be done by video conferencing. The point agreed by almost all of those in attendance was that the weekly leaders question time should not be suspended and could take place in a safe manner.

    What Josepha Madigan was suggesting was that the weekly Q&A should be suspended. She certainly is not right about that.





    Dont know if you are able to read all this, its from the Irish times and might be behind a pay wall. Have quoted the key parts for you just in case
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miriam-lord-you-cannot-cocoon-democracy-or-can-you-1.4219479

    That article is Miriam Lord, not sure who she was lampooning in it, but she is not a writer of serious material.


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    #3552
    Ballso
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭Ballso


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    Is Leo Varadkar a sociopath? His recent and unexplainable decision to pose for a photo opportunity, grinning from ear to ear showing off his best power pose, at the opening of the isolation facility at Citywest is to me another example of how emotionally detached from reality he is. People dying, hospital workers on their knees, ICU's near capacity, elderly confined to their homes, economy on the verge of collapsing back into recession, small business owners watching their livelihoods disappear, etc etc. But Leo see's this as a prime opportunity for some PR. What right minded person thinks that way?

    Profile of the Sociopath

    Glibness and Superficial Charm.
    Manipulative and Conning. They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. ...
    Grandiose Sense of Self. ...
    Pathological Lying. ...
    Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt. ...
    Shallow Emotions. ...
    Incapacity for Love.
    Need for Stimulation.

    Varadkar is a knob but this post is just pathetic. You're a bit of a sociopath yourself id say


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    #3553
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,585 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    She is right
    The Dail could easily have sat via video conferencing
    Companies are doing it every day

    Was this offered as an option? Can you link to where it was?


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    #3554
    Whelo79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Ballso wrote: »
    You're a bit of a sociopath yourself id say

    You couldn't be wider of the mark.

    I have an element of charm when I can be bothered, but plenty think I'm dull.

    I definitely don't con people and more often than not let myself down to please others.

    I've told many a lie growing up, as have we all. Certainly not pathological.

    Plenty of experience with guilt and remorse, can't say I've often felt shame.

    Happily in love and married 5 years.

    No stimulation required. Equally as comfortable in current isolation, reading a book, sitting in my own company, chilling on the balcony as I am at a party for of strangers.

    I still feel my question about Varadkar is relevant and one worth asking. Catherine Noone controversially stated that he may have been on the autism spectrum, maybe the term sociopath would have been more befitting and accurate? He certainly seems to posses many of the traits.


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    #3555
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Thank God the years of experience negotiating and procurement with the likes of BAM is helping them now. Strong and stable?

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1246022961775235072?s=19


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    #3556
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    smurgen wrote: »
    Thank God the years of experience negotiating and procurement with the likes of BAM is helping them now. Strong and stable?

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1246022961775235072?s=19

    Gown looks like it would be a perfect fit for the likes of Brendan Howlin.

    Wonder if these are just substandard oddball sizes, or did we send a jet off and back for literally a planeload of junk?


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    #3557
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Gown looks like it would be a perfect fit for the likes of Brendan Howlin. ......

    Mary Lou wouldn't get into it anyway.


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    #3558
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Augeo wrote: »
    Mary Lou wouldn't get into it anyway.

    Nor will the vast majority of our health staff unless they're of extremely small stature - I wasn't getting a dig at Howlin btw, just pointing out that going by the tweet
    RTÉ News understands that some new deliveries of PPE distributed this week contained protective gowns which are three-quarter length on the arm
    those gowns are grossly undersized for the vast majority of our workers in health.


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    #3559
    Ballso
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭Ballso


    If Sinn Fein were in government these sleeves would be longer. Is that it?

    :rolleyes:


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    #3560
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Ballso wrote: »
    If Sinn Fein were in government these sleeves would be longer. Is that it?

    :rolleyes:

    Oh for crying out loud, get a grip, there's no one pointing the finger at fg or anyone else, the equipment's (or at least some of it) appears to be substandard or of incorrect sizes.

    It would be better, given that we are in the midst of a global health pandemic, if people could determine if it was ordered incorrectly, or if it was an error on the suppliers end, and then sort it out, so the staff can be fully protected, rather than prematurely wave their hands trying to absolve themselves of blame no one cast on them - and roar something about Sinn Fein

    Have you ever considered changing your username to ballso65225798421679?


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    #3561
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,585 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Oh for crying out loud, get a grip, there's no one pointing the finger at fg or anyone else, the equipment's (or at least some of it) appears to be substandard or of incorrect sizes.

    It would be better if people could determine if it was ordered incorrectly, or if it was an error on the suppliers end rather than prematurely wave the hand trying to absolve themselves of blame no one cast on them

    Have you ever considered changing your username to ballso65225798421679?

    A case of 'in with the defense first'. FG upping their game. :)


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    #3562
    Ballso
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭Ballso


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Oh for crying out loud, get a grip, there's no one pointing the finger at fg or anyone else, the equipment's (or at least some of it) appears to be substandard or of incorrect sizes.

    It would be better, given that we are in the midst of a global health pandemic, if people could determine if it was ordered incorrectly, or if it was an error on the suppliers end, and then sort it out, so the staff can be fully protected, rather than prematurely wave their hands trying to absolve themselves of blame no one cast on them - and roar something about Sinn Fein

    Have you ever considered changing your username to ballso65225798421679?

    That poster continually posts content to attack the people managing the crisis, what other way could it be interpreted? Why is it in this thread and not one of the dozens of other threads if its not to be taken in the context of this thread? There are several threads specific to PPE issues on boards.


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    #3563
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A case of 'in with the defense first'. FG upping their game. :)

    It's really boring, there's obviously a problem with the PPE that was supplied to the staff, peoples lives depend on this equipment, not only the staff but patients too.

    First step should be identifying where and how the equipment has ended up being wrong, fix the problem, and get on with things, the desire to plead the "sure SF would be worst" just can't be overcome it seems.


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    #3564
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Ballso wrote: »
    That poster continually posts content to attack the people managing the crisis, what other way could it be interpreted? Why is it in this thread and not one of the dozens of other threads if its not to be taken in the context of this thread? There are several threads specific to PPE issues on boards.

    So I post about the gowns being only 3/4 length of staffs arms, you follow up with this
    If Sinn Fein were in government these sleeves would be longer. Is that it?
    But sure it's another posters fault?


    I couldn't really care if FG, FF, SF Or the fuppin DUP need to get the issue sorted, just find out where the problem stemmed from and sort it.


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    #3565
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,585 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    McMurphy wrote: »
    It's really boring, there's obviously a problem with the PPE that was supplied to the staff, peoples lives depend on this equipment, not only the staff but patients too.

    First step should be identifying where and how the equipment has ended up being wrong, fix the problem, and get on with things, the desire to plead the "sure SF would be worst" just can't be overcome it seems.

    Nothing will be allowed to take from the political rehabilitation of FG, that the sinister are exploiting from this crisis.

    I was being serious, FG have upped their game. They've seen the chance and are taking advantage of it fully.
    'Defense' is part of it and you can see that active on Twitter and other platforms.


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    #3566
    Field east
    Registered Users Posts: 2,477 ✭✭✭Field east


    efanton wrote: »
    Well it looks like a new election is on it way


    Fine Gael will only go into Government with Fianna Fáil if a third party is also involved, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/we-need-a-third-party-to-form-a-stable-government-with-fianna-fail-says-varadkar-991866.html

    Unless of course FG and FF are going to dowhat they claimed they would never do and that is to invite SF to join them.

    Isn't it sad when FG and FF just ignore what others have said and continue to only hear what they want to hear.ð4
    If Labour have said no, and the Greens have said no, who else does Leo expect to join them?
    Kind of reminds you of the the 'consent' campaign that has been running for the last few years especially in the universities. NO should mean NO and nothing else.

    It seems Leo is restricting the options for government formation even further.
    Why would he rule out Independents joining coalition is he really wanted a coalition to be formed?
    All

    All the NOs well predate the beginning of the onset of the virus even on an international level. No TD or any element of the media reported at the time of everybody saying NO reported on the impact that the virus would have on any aspect of the Irish nation.
    Since then all things have CHANGED UTTERLY- for example all manifestos are now obselate and need to be completely redrawn . The country going to having a projected €11bn available over 5 yrs to maybe having to borrow up to €20bn + to have any kind of a reasonable program.
    Because the economy will need an immediate boost at the very first opportunity , building affordable/ social houses with very cheap money would provide such an opportunity along , of course with other actions


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    #3567
    Ballso
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭Ballso


    McMurphy wrote: »
    So I post about the gowns being only 3/4 length of staffs arms, you follow up with this

    If Sinn Fein were in government these sleeves would be longer. Is that it?

    But sure it's another posters fault?

    Are you 8?
    My post was in response to Smurgens political commentary attached to a picture of a surgical smock with short arms petal, you can relax.


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    #3568
    Ballso
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭Ballso


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Nothing will be allowed to take from the political rehabilitation of FG, that the sinister are exploiting from this crisis.

    I was being serious, FG have upped their game. They've seen the chance and are taking advantage of it fully.
    'Defense' is part of it and you can see that active on Twitter and other platforms.

    ****ing hell, the dopes in Fine Gael are "the sinister"!? The organisation you support had a clandestine paramilitary wing murdering civilians up until a few years ago. Christ.


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    #3569
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,585 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ballso wrote: »
    ****ing hell, the dopes in Fine Gael are "the sinister"!? The organisation you support had a clandestine paramilitary wing murdering civilians up until a few years ago. Christ.

    Can't help oneself. ;)

    Outed!


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    #3570
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 20,930 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Indo going after madigan today


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    #3571
    Ballso
    Registered Users Posts: 465 ✭✭Ballso


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Can't help oneself. ;)

    Outed!

    Outed? Did you not know about the provisional IRA Francie? I suppose there had to be a gap in your expertise somewhere


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