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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #6002
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So those unemployment figures, a record high and likely to go a good bit higher.:(


    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0402/1128044-live-register-figures/

    The majority of the job losses will be temporary.


  • #6003
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    mikeoc85 wrote: »
    What part of ' there aren't enough masks for everyone ' aren't you able to understand?

    Failure in the basic comprehension department evidently

    The fact that many people already have masks available to them and that are alternatives to those used by medical staff.

    For example many existing N95 masks are not suitable for medical use due to chain of custody issues etc. . These will however serve the general population where all means need to be used to reduce the spread of infection. Home made masks are also an option. Its really not that difficult to figure any of that out.


  • #6004
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    The majority of the job losses will be temporary.
    For sure, just a big chunk of people. Hopefully that 12 weeks will signal an end to it.


  • #6005
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Spring Break likely played a huge role in the nationwide spread. There's probably clusters around every campus in America now as well as families of students. Big price to pay for a bit of craic.
    There was an post some days ago showing cell phone tracking exodus from Miami after Spring Break ended there. Interestingly virtual all the cell tracking stopped east of the Mississippi.

    Presumably Mexico is the venue of choice for the West Coast so this may trigger a large spike in California's current low numbers in the next few weeks.

    No idea where students the states in the middle party.


  • #6006
    Brussels Sprout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Here's a Death graph of Ireland and the Scandinavian countries (plus Spain who are on the worst European trajectory)


    EA0Ztuz.png


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  • #6007
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    mikeoc85 wrote: »
    What part of ' there aren't enough masks for everyone ' aren't you able to understand?

    That will (more than likely) be a problem.

    A WHO panel are meeting today to discuss revising their advice that masks should only be worn by people with COVID-19 and those caring for people with COVID-19.

    The Czech Republic have made the wearing of masks mandatory by all people who venture outside. It's helping them keep a lid on the number of new cases, along with the social distancing rules of course.


  • #6008
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Klonker wrote: »
    If anyone is wondering where all the bread in the shops is going!

    I count 6 loaves, not an extraordinary amount. Maybe that is the only shop they do for 2 weeks and we don't know how many people are in the house.


  • #6009
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    A 6 week old baby died in America. A 13 year old died in the UK, a 16 year old died in France. A 42 year old died in Ireland (going by what another poster said here yesterday).

    I think there will be deaths of all ages and not just the old.

    Why are you posting this? Everyone knows this. It is undisputed that there have been and will be deaths of all ages. But the weighting in the various age groupings leans far more to the elderly age cohorts.

    You're just posting hysterics.


  • #6010
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    The majority of the job losses will be temporary.

    You really think so? A lot of businesses won't reopen after this is all over.


  • #6011
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,375 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    I think people are underestimating what testing is telling us.

    Even if our testing looks low we are doing much more targeted testing and are testing similar numbers every day. If our positive tests stay around the same it shows that its not spreading wildly as if the overall number of positives is increasing but the daily numbers are not shooting up then clearly things are being contained.

    As has been pointed out many times, testing is for the benefit of the public health policy setting. People who are sick - whether from Covid19 or other ailments will receive full medical responses.

    Important lessons are being learnt - eg the number of contacts each positive has is reducing from 20 to 5 to 3. Also, the medical staff are getting infected from sources outside work.

    So testing is not for the sole benefit of those being tested.

    If you do not want to be infected - wash you hands properly, stay at home, and keep away from everyone else - they may be infected and so might you.


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  • #6012
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    I think people are underestimating what testing is telling us.

    Even if our testing looks low we are doing much more targeted testing and are testing similar numbers every day. If our positive tests stay around the same it shows that its not spreading wildly as if the overall number of positives is increasing but the daily numbers are not shooting up then clearly things are being contained.

    Nothing to do with current rates of testing. There is increasing evidence that asymptomatic and early onset cases are a significant risk of infecting others.

    It is known that the spread of infection can be reduced by the infected wearing masks However we dont know who those people are.

    As much as hand washing - we need to do start using masks . Now.


  • #6013
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    Milton is the job for this type of thing. Especially their sprays and no danger from them like bleach.

    I don't see leaving stuff for 72 hours as practical, we are getting a delivery every 5 to 7 days, we are very low on everything once it arrives and need a lot of the stuff straight away.


    Milton sterilising liquid is bleach (sodium hypochlorite) based. Still, it doesn't kill viruses on contact:
    Virucidal: in 15 minutes NF T72-180. Effective on Rotavirus and Coronavirus.

    As for the disinfectant sprays, I've just looked at their website: it says it's an Antibacterial Surface Spray, it does not kill viruses.


  • #6014
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Why are you posting this? Everyone knows this. It is undisputed that there have been and will be deaths of all ages. But the weighting in the various age groupings leans far more to the elderly age cohorts.

    You're just posting hysterics.
    TBF some posters are having a very hard time with this and you might want to consider cutting posts like that some slack. Treat it as one of the many of the posts we read but don't respond to.


  • #6015
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    When it comes to cleaning groceries from the shop, what's best to use? We have some Dettol wipes, but have thick bleach also, could use instead. Actually, what is the difference between thick/thin bleach? :confused:
    Should we just use soapy water and a cloth?

    I just use detergent and a sponge and then nuke the sponge in the microwave for 40 seconds. Detergents can neutralize viruses because they break them open by attacking their lipid coats.


  • #6016
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    You really think so? A lot of businesses won't reopen after this is all over.

    Some not alot.

    I do think a credit on public liability insurance should be given.


  • #6017
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,589 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Does anyone believe that we will get up to 10000 tests per day by mid April?


  • #6018
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    New Home wrote: »
    Milton sterilising liquid is bleach (sodium hypochlorite) based. Still, it doesn't kill viruses on contact:



    As for the disinfectant sprays, I've just looked at their website: it says it's an AntibacterialSurface Spray, it does not kill viruses[/B].

    A bit of washing up liquid in warm water will kill the virus nicely. No need for the fancy stuff.


  • #6019
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    walshb wrote: »
    Does anyone believe that we will get up to 10000 tests per day by mid April?
    Mid-April is just two weeks away so no probably not. Once we get past that 7-10 day delay one would assume it will be able to ramp up.


  • #6020
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    TBF some posters are having a very hard time with this and you might want to consider cutting posts like that some slack. Treat it as one of the many of the posts we read but don't respond to.

    Others will read it won't they? And it might feed into their sense of unease.. worsening it.

    I think it's appropriate to call out hysterics as such.


  • #6021
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    New Home wrote: »
    Milton sterilising liquid is bleach (sodium hypochlorite) based. Still, it doesn't kill viruses on contact:



    As for the disinfectant sprays, I've just looked at their website: it says it's an Antibacterial Surface Spray, it does not kill viruses.

    I read Milton kills corona so assumed all their products did hence why I have been using the spray (which says bleach free and assumed it was the same stuff as the sterilising fluid).

    I’d assume though that if wiping with simple soap clears it away that wiping with a disinfectant spray would too though despite it not officially killing it.


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  • #6022
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,732 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    jackboy wrote: »
    A bit of washing up liquid in warm water will kill the virus nicely. No need for the fancy stuff.
    why soap kills coronavirus
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/12/science-soap-kills-coronavirus-alcohol-based-disinfectants

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #6023
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    What a dickhead.




    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/web-summit-founder-paddy-cosgrave-urged-to-apologise-over-rubbished-four-nurses-dead-tweet-39096144.html


  • #6024
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,776 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    EUhOZ7aUEAEgw3u.jpg

    And we were thinking of sending student nurses into danger without pay...
    Anyone know how much they are being paid now ?

    As much as we all want to say that FG etc are doing a "good" job with this Corona situation. The above needs to constantly act as a reminder what the situation was before this pandemic hit and how government were of little help and in many cases, an actual hindrance.

    Perhaps this is the sea change that's needed regarding government attitude to front line healthcare staff and their needs.

    I won't hold my breath though.


  • #6025
    brwh11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭brwh11


    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    Here's a Death graph of Ireland and the Scandinavian countries (plus Spain who are on the worst European trajectory)

    what is the source site for this graph?


  • #6026
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,201 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    marno21 wrote: »
    Tony H is back at work

    https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1245640109711486977

    Fantastic news. Great to see him recovered

    Terrible news

    Big figures coming

    Tony doesn't get out of bed for 212 cases :p


  • #6027
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    The majority of the job losses will be temporary.

    Only if the lockdown doesnt last too long. Once we start moving through May and into June, with this level of lockdown I think that 'temporary' will look less and less likely to be the case


  • #6028
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    smelly sock wrote: »
    What a dickhead.




    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/web-summit-founder-paddy-cosgrave-urged-to-apologise-over-rubbished-four-nurses-dead-tweet-39096144.html


    People who look like that are usually ones out to try and nab your girlfriend/wife


  • #6029
    Pulsating Star
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Pulsating Star


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Funny how this situation can affect the psyche. Usually if I have a bad dream the bad stuff would be fairly dramatic, being chased by unknown evil doers, a rising sea blocking me in, walking on a narrow ledge high up, that kind of thing. Had a bad dream last night. Was just walking down a nondescript street. And people kept passing me by too closely! One even rubbed off of me. Aaaarrgghhhh! :(

    Was quite anxious the first week of the shutdown and remember waking up after bad dreams a number of times, to the realization that the daytime nightmare was so much worse! I found that really freaky at the time.


  • #6030
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,353 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I don't get all the calls for masks for everyone. Sure if you have to be around other people at work but those of us who are staying at home and not seeing anyone outside the household except when going to the shops, surely the chances of catching it are next to nothing, mask or not?


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  • #6031
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I just use detergent and a sponge and then nuke the sponge in the microwave for 40 seconds. Detergents can neutralize viruses because they break them open by attacking their lipid coats.


    That's fine but I've read that microwaves aren't enough to kill it. I guess the heat of water vapour if over 60C should kill it though.


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