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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Chinas active cases are going down roughly about 250 a day they now have less than 1900 active cases on worldometer if its spreading so rapidly around the world how in gods name have they only had like 85k cases.

    Would it be something to do with them being prepared due to SARS?

    They didn't have 85k cases !
    they had a lot more - deaths too !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    china's figures simply cannot be trusted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Discodog wrote: »
    I wonder what our figures would be without the Nursing Home clusters ?

    I'd guess our number of deaths would be lower


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    They didn't have 85k cases !
    they had a lot more - deaths too !

    Yeah but going by the official numbers how many people is estimated to have died over their?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭uli84


    The economic impact of coronavirus will be least severe in Ireland among OECD countries according to new report.

    The OECD has published a report evaluating the initial impact of coronavirus containment measures on its members’ economies, with Ireland expected to be the least scathed.
    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/companies/oecd-coronavirus-ireland

    This is the full report - https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/view/?ref=126_126496-evgsi2gmqj&title=Evaluating_the_initial_impact_of_COVID-19_containment_measures_on_economic_activity

    Oh wow, will believe it when I see it


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    ZX7R wrote: »
    I'd guess our number of deaths would be lower

    Not sure nursing home deaths are included in the figures. At least that's what Fergal Bowers said yesterday. Only hospital deaths from Covid-19 being counted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    USA is getting scary. broke 1000 daily deaths yesterday and it's very early stages in most states.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Yeah but going by the official numbers how many people is estimated to have died over their?

    Well apparently 21,000 mobile phones just dissapeared over the network - but this could be all conspiracy bollix, but I still don't trust their official figures, the lockdowns worked too well over there, we see the absolute **** show and failure of it in Spain and Italy ... so you'd wonder ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Chinas active cases are going down roughly about 250 a day they now have less than 1900 active cases on worldometer if its spreading so rapidly around the world how in gods name have they only had like 85k cases.

    Would it be something to do with them being prepared due to SARS?

    No ... they suppress their numbers .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Not sure nursing home deaths are included in the figures. At least that's what Fergal Bowers said yesterday. Only hospital deaths from Covid-19 being counted.


    That's surely not good news. I just assumed the big jumps were clusters in nursing homes.


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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I enjoy the #UniteByStayingApart agenda RTE are doing, being a hermit for Ireland. I feel like I should have a mural painted of me on a Belfast gavel, just think of the amount of people I didn't give illnesses to over the years because of my hermit lifestyle.

    You probably have a sh1t immune system from your lifestyle.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Not sure nursing home deaths are included in the figures. At least that's what Fergal Bowers said yesterday. Only hospital deaths from Covid-19 being counted.

    The first day that the death toll got to double figures (a week ago maybe) we were told that was because of a nursing home cluster


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    More than 4,000 Italian health workers have contracted the virus treating victims in Italy and 66 doctors have died.

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    Worldwide, as millions of people stay at home to minimise transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, health-care workers prepare to do the exact opposite.

    They will go to clinics and hospitals, putting themselves at high risk from COVID-2019. Figures from China's National Health Commission show that more than 3300 health-care workers have been infected as of early March and, according to local media, by the end of February at least 22 had died. In Italy, 20% of responding health-care workers were infected, and some have died. Reports from medical staff describe physical and mental exhaustion, the torment of difficult triage decisions, and the pain of losing patients and colleagues, all in addition to the infection risk.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30644-9/fulltext

    EUhOZ7aUEAEgw3u.jpg

    And we were thinking of sending student nurses into danger without pay...
    Anyone know how much they are being paid now ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    froog wrote: »
    USA is getting scary. broke 1000 daily deaths yesterday and it's very early stages in most states.

    They're ****ed, I really fear for them, especially with their shambles of a health service for the working class.

    Will be the darkest period in their modern history over the next 3 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    humberklog wrote: »
    I was listening to one scientist (can't recall who or even the show/pod) in the field talking about the different tactics used by different countries. It was at the time GB appeared to be changing tack from herd to their present position. Was that a week ago? A year ago? He reasoned that while some methods appeared riskier than others and he understood the "lowering the curve" for health care management he said that countries should stick to the path they've taken.

    His hypothesis was that there was little to be gained by changing tack during a process as the genie would be out of the bottle either way. However by sticking with the initial plan there would be data gained from differing approaches. While I don't mean to throw out a "but a random scientist said..." but this did strike me as sensible.

    We kinda need different approaches in western democracies for future best practice.
    There are ethical questions around that.

    You cant run country-sized non-consenting experiments on people. You'd be telling some countries to not follow the currently Best-In-Class approach for the sake of science. Can you imagine if we were told to go for Herd Immunity while the UK was told to go for cocooning? There'd be riots. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Achasanai wrote: »
    That's surely not good news. I just assumed the big jumps were clusters in nursing homes.

    I'm pretty sure they said all covid 19 deaths were included in the figures, ie including nursing home deaths?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Apparently, the US are now pretty much hijacking masks and PPE bound to other countries on Chinese roads and even on the tarmac of Chinese airports by offering double price in cash to reroute the containers.

    Confirmed by a French politician here that masks being loaded on a plane to France were snapped in that way yesterday and that it isn't the first time: https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/provence-alpes-cote-d-azur/grosse-commande-masques-aurait-du-arriver-france-elle-ira-finalement-aux-etats-unis-annonce-renaud-muselier-1810096.html

    Summary in English: https://www.rt.com/news/484723-us-france-face-masks/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    uli84 wrote: »
    Swedish population is double just to start with
    In fact both Norway and Denmark has higher number of cases per million people

    Population doesnt factor into the equation at this stage of the outbreak, population density of where the most cases are located is.

    When the population is saturated more broadly then yes population will come into play.


  • Subscribers Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Yeah but going by the official numbers how many people is estimated to have died over their?

    Ignore those figures.

    As you should ignore russias figures.... And turkey, India, Belarus....

    They are either deliberately under announcing in places such as Russia, or haven't the capacity to properly record, in places such as India.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    More than 4,000 Italian health workers have contracted the virus treating victims in Italy and 66 doctors have died.

    And we were thinking of sending student nurses into danger without pay...
    Anyone know how much they are being paid now ?

    HCA wages ... But despite it being announced it is not being implemented


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Jin luk wrote: »
    Chinas active cases are going down roughly about 250 a day they now have less than 1900 active cases on worldometer if its spreading so rapidly around the world how in gods name have they only had like 85k cases.

    Would it be something to do with them being prepared due to SARS?

    No it would be something to do with them being ruled by the CCP.

    How do you know a communist is lying?

    Their lips are moving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭crx===


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Not sure nursing home deaths are included in the figures. At least that's what Fergal Bowers said yesterday. Only hospital deaths from Covid-19 being counted.

    Only hospital deaths with confirmed Covid-19 cases counted.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    The first day that the death toll got to double figures (a week ago maybe) we were told that was because of a nursing home cluster

    All I'm doing is repeating what Fergal Bower's said yesterday. Maybe once a nursing home death is verified as a result of Covid-19, it is added to the figures (in time)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    DeVore wrote: »
    There are ethical questions around that.

    You cant run country-sized non-consenting experiments on people. You'd be telling some countries to not follow the currently Best-In-Class approach for the sake of science. Can you imagine if we were told to go for Herd Immunity while the UK was told to go for cocooning? There'd be riots. :)

    I'd stay at home on riot day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,086 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    crx=== wrote: »
    Only hospital deaths with confirmed Covid-19 cases counted.

    Ah surely the deaths must include nursing home figures?

    Otherwise theres no reliable figures being produced and we are no better than China.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭sparkle109


    More than 4,000 Italian health workers have contracted the virus treating victims in Italy and 66 doctors have died.

    Screen-Shot-2020-03-30-at-8.04.50-PM-1024x791.png



    EUhOZ7aUEAEgw3u.jpg

    And we were thinking of sending student nurses into danger without pay...
    Anyone know how much they are being paid now ?

    Think it’s a hca contract so 28k annum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Ah surely the deaths must include nursing home figures?

    Otherwise theres no reliable figures being produced and we are no better than China.

    That's the way it is too in the UK, France and Spain (at least). They do not count nursing home deaths, only hospital deaths. Saw on BBC the other day France were to start adding figures for nursing home deaths.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    weisses wrote: »
    HCA wages ... But despite it being announced it is not being implemented

    Jebus wept !

    I hope the press pick up on that and embarrass the government into some action and start paying those student nurses.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Well apparently 21,000 mobile phones just dissapeared over the network - but this could be all conspiracy bollix, but I still don't trust their official figures, the lockdowns worked too well over there, we see the absolute **** show and failure of it in Spain and Italy ... so you'd wonder ...

    Let's see people who might have had second phone who cant afford it.
    Business customers cancelling.

    If they are hiding cases, the number of cases would be higher and the number of deaths.
    It could even mean a lower death rate.

    Everyone is hiding cases. If Ireland is only counting deaths in hospital we are not to be trusted with our numbers either. The same with every other country.


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