CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

davedanon wrote: »

... 2 states, out of 52, is a definition of 'many' I'm unfamiliar with.

Larbre34 wrote: »

Puerto Rico and American Samoa. Not States per se but close enough.

wait, so coronavirus isn't in every American state, if we include American Samoa, as of a few hours ago at least,

EDIT: and then i googled and found an article from a few days ago

American Samoa's coronavirus conundrum: No way to test
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/american-samoa-s-coronavirus-conundrum-no-way-test-n1167776
The remote U.S. territory lacks the ability to conduct its own tests on possible COVID-19 patients, fueling concerns it's ill-equipped to handle an outbreak.

Xertz wrote: »

What I don't understand is why anyone would think the HSE or the DoH would have an agenda to engage in some kind of cover up of this. It quite literally makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.

There are very different mindsets at work in the HSE. The front line staff and bureaucrats are very different.

The bureaucrats generally have an under siege mentality. They play down real issues because they perceive that to be a sign of weakness. They also talk up achievements and inflate numbers if it's a likely performance indicator. Rather than talk about the current situation where there is an issue to be resolved they will present a projection of a future scenario where the issue is resolved. If you manage to drill into how the issue is magically resolved more likely than not the solution will have been to hand it off to a third party. This is how they have adapted to the idea of "doing more with less." The core behavior is like that of a child that wants external validation so they can feel good about themselves, there's a need to be seen to be smart and be liked.

There's a lot of politics at play and when Simon Harris says people don't realise the work that has gone on behind the scenes in dealing with the situation he's not joking. There are a lot of ivory towers in the HSE, the ICU beds are just one example - the HSE ordering 100 ICU beds was a monumental achievement. Those newly acquired beds put the HSE 8-10 years ahead of Liam Woods's plan of 8-12 new ICU beds per year.

Harris or the people within the department aren't going to call out the HSE management at this time when they need everyone pulling in the same direction.

On the presentation side of things, they simply need to be transparent - it would be a good time to start because there are a lot of eyes on them.

DOCARCH wrote: »

Probably for another thread, but I wonder, when this is all done, is time to say goodbye to private healthcare in Ireland and leave everybody in a more steam lined public system?

Well we all know the healthcare system in this country needs to be improved.
For the money we spend and the population we have we should have one of the best in world.

How can the government change anything when the people that work in it won’t let them?
Anytime any improvement is attempted in any public service they seem to all go on strike

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

there will always be people who can pay more, so i would presume there will always be private consultants / clinics that will take their money

I earn slightly more than the minimum wage. It was drilled into me from an early age when my parents had private health insurance and paid for mine that it was something to keep up. So now I do that I'm an adult. Is it fair? No. Will I take advantage of any opportunity it gives me if I get ill ? Yeah I will. I've paid thousands over the years.

Heckler wrote: »

I earn slightly more than the minimum wage. It was drilled into me from an early age when my parents had private health insurance and paid for mine that it was something to keep up. So now I do that I'm an adult. Is it fair? No. Will I take advantage of any opportunity it gives me if I get ill ? Yeah I will. I've paid thousands over the years.

My elderly mother fell and broke her hip while visiting her daughter in the US. All told emergency services, hospital, surgery, aftercare, nurse on an aer lingus flight, ambulance to CUH from Shannon. 3 weeks in CUH recovery.

The bill from the US ? 250,000 dollars. The sale of her house may have barely covered it. VHI covered it. Thats what she got for 60 years of paying overpriced insurance premiums, her moneys worth.

Heckler wrote: »

My elderly mother fell and broke her hip while visiting her daughter in the US. All told emergency services, hospital, surgery, aftercare, nurse on an aer lingus flight, ambulance to CUH from Shannon. 3 weeks in CUH recovery.

The bill from the US ? 250,000 dollars. The sale of her house may have barely covered it. VHI covered it. Thats what she got for 60 years of paying overpriced insurance premiums, her moneys worth.

A €50 per year travel insurance would also cover that. When you travel outside EU health insurance is a must. Within the EU - not that much.

ParkRunner wrote: »

In fairness, the public service is stepping up to the plate lately in the health sector, social welfare, mass redeployment elsewhere etc.

Yes I am well impressed with the response by them.
I’m more talking about normal circumstances.

voluntary wrote: »

A €50 per year travel insurance would also cover that. When you travel outside EU health insurance is a must. Within the EU - not that much.

It was the USA .

Article on rte news the sub covid-19 committee meeting today to review our restrictions.
City West is ready for step down patience.
15 patience have been moved there.
It has1100 beds.
Another thing in the article is a large number of patience suspected of suffering from the viruse were admitted to ICU but have tested negative for the virus.
I could be wrong but I believe Dr Henry said in one of the press releases that there is a flew outbreak happening as well.this could count for these people

ZX7R wrote: »

Article on rte news the sub covid-19 committee meeting today to review our restrictions.
City West is ready for step down patience.
15 patience have been moved there.
It has1100 beds.
Another thing in the article is a large number of patience suspected of suffering from the viruse were admitted to ICU but have tested negative for the virus.
I could be wrong but I believe Dr Henry said in one of the press releases that there is a flew outbreak happening as well.this could count for these people

A few weeks ago everyone in my office was sick.

Some had flu, some had stomach bugs, some had head colds. 2 people were hospitalised and everyone took at least one sick day.

Ireland was on a small number of covid cases and everyone thought 'what if I have covid'. None could get a test at that stage. We presume that none of us had it though we could have all had it.

shocksy wrote: »

Not wrong. A worldwide travel insurance policy with USA included would have covered the US expenses.

Maybe because she is elderly her insurance is different. I don't think any travel insurance will cover you for US medical care beyond a certain cost. By all means point me to the source of your info. Not being smart, I pay VHI and would love to know.