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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #1532
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Runaways wrote: »
    In the mood to watch a meltdown :)

    Pearse Doherty in conversation with David McWilliams :)

    I suggest all you FG fanbots watch and Listen if you can.
    This is what coming. But FG will of course be late to the thought and will claim it was their plan all along. And you’ll complain about it now but no doubt applaud it when it comes :)

    https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/645715949307217/?vh=e&d=n


    I think you will find I have said Pearse is a good politician. SO can Mary Lou when she shuts up.



    Problem is the whole party tactics is toxic. Also after Pearse and Mary Lou, what exactly are you left with? a group of people which would reduce the price of your house if they moved in next door :P


  • #1533
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,076 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Front page of the Irish Times again is a bit embarrassing for our 'it isn't possible' pharma experts this AM.

    :):)
    Ireland’s pharmaceutical industry has indicated it is gearing up to produce key ingredients for Covid-19 testing which the State is struggling to source on the international market.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-s-pharma-industry-gears-up-to-make-key-ingredient-for-covid-19-testing-1.4218334


  • #1534
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    How many flights arrived into the country from the U.K. in the last fortnight alone?

    How many will arrive today?

    Should we close the border with the UK?

    I'm not sure how effective that would be, or how people would react to people travelling from Northern Ireland being refused entry at the border.


  • #1535
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Photo opportunities are not leadership.
    Someone tell this clown

    https://twitter.com/scrahallia/status/1245496650166083586?s=21


  • #1536
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Front page of the Irish Times again is a bit embarrassing for our 'it isn't possible' pharma experts this AM.

    :):)


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-s-pharma-industry-gears-up-to-make-key-ingredient-for-covid-19-testing-1.4218334

    eh, no one is saying it isn't possible - there are parts of the pharma sector well positioned to make a contribution, and a significant one. Also, any excess in production, not required to fulfill existing contracts, can be directed towards the local market - but this takes time. Even if you have surplus plant capacity, you need to recruit and, perhaps, train operatives, validate processes, source raw materials and pre-cursors (or make them) etc etc etc

    What people are saying is that the ignorant utterings of SF are suggesting that all the pharma sector can pivot towards this one health threat - not for the first time (and undoubtedly not for the last), this demonstrates, on the part of SF, a significant failure to grasp the nature of the sector and how it operates.

    Which would make you fear for the future - no company will pull out if we get an SF-led government, but dollars to doughnuts you'll see no new investment, no expansion, no new products, no new projects or upgrades and a general slow decline of the sector.


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  • #1537
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Should we close the border with the UK?

    I'm not sure how effective that would be, or how people would react to people travelling from Northern Ireland being refused entry at the border.

    Did I say we should close the border?

    I asked how many flights have arrived in the last fortnight alone and how many are due to arrive today?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #1538
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,076 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    eh, no one is saying it isn't possible - there are parts of the pharma sector well positioned to make a contribution, and a significant one. Also, any excess in production, not required to fulfill existing contracts, can be directed towards the local market - but this takes time. Even if you have surplus plant capacity, you need to recruit and, perhaps, train operatives, validate processes, source raw materials and pre-cursors (or make them) etc etc etc

    What people are saying is that the ignorant utterings of SF are suggesting that all the pharma sector can pivot towards this one health threat - not for the first time (and undoubtedly not for the last), this demonstrates, on the part of SF, a significant failure to grasp the nature of the sector and how it operates.

    Which would make you fear for the future - no company will pull out if we get an SF-led government, but dollars to doughnuts you'll see no new investment, no expansion, no new products, no new projects or upgrades and a general slow decline of the sector.

    What the ****?
    What people are saying is that the ignorant utterings of SF are suggesting that all the pharma sector can pivot towards this one health threat - not for the first time (and undoubtedly not for the last), this demonstrates, on the part of SF, a significant failure to grasp the nature of the sector and how it operates.


    Who said that?

    You guys got your arses handed to you again.

    'Pharma can't do this and can't do that' etc etc.

    Link after link showing that it can indeed adapt in some areas.
    A pharma plant in Ireland is getting ready to 'step up' production if the HSE and NHS sign contracts
    And now this morning

    Pharma plants 'gearing up' to produce key ingredients.

    Just stop digging those holes.


  • #1539
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Here's the piece from irishcentral for anyone who didn't see it...

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #1540
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Did I say we should close the border?

    I asked how many flights have arrived in the last fortnight alone and how many are due to arrive today?

    Just on that

    We’re building test centers all over the country


    But not at Dublin or Shannon airport

    Why??

    That would make all the sense in the world. Especially if we’re not gonna full close down. And we’re not doing it.

    Baffling


  • #1541
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »

    In the meantime, calm down folks, do a bit of reading about what is happening outside your clearly very small parishes!




    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/from-perfume-to-hand-sanitiser-tvs-to-face-masks-how-companies-are-changing-track-to-fight-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0cAjVOLBpnw9oSTsVs-57x6TAW4IqDTujHBhXjI95bZ0MAHx0jNOHNMt0

    That's been happening since day one
    Though your Health spokeswoman is going on as if it isn't
    As for testing, we were among the most tested in the world until reagents ran out
    No justification for complaints there on a tiny island, but carry on, davycc is ready to thank, you might be able to do his remotely?

    An unnecessary Dail sitting today too, caused by Sinn Fein
    Great example


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  • #1542
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Runaways wrote: »
    Just on that

    We’re building test centers all over the country


    But not at Dublin or Shannon airport

    Why??

    That would make all the sense in the world. Especially if we’re not gonna full close down. And we’re not doing it.

    Baffling

    I suspect that will come but after current restrictions are lifted and only if Belfast follows suit


  • #1543
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,076 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    That's been happening since day one
    Though your Health spokeswoman is going on as if it isn't
    As for testing, we were among the most tested in the world until reagents ran out
    No justification for complaints there on a tiny island, but carry on, davycc is ready to thank, you might be able to do his remotely?

    An unnecessary Dail sitting today too, caused by Sinn Fein
    Great example

    No justification for complaints?

    Wow! Just wow.

    * Leo got more people together for his PR stunt pic than will probably be in the Dáil today. :):)


  • #1544
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Runaways wrote: »
    Just on that

    We’re building test centers all over the country


    But not at Dublin or Shannon airport

    Why??

    That would make all the sense in the world. Especially if we’re not gonna full close down. And we’re not doing it.

    Baffling

    We all have our part to play but Leo needs to lead by example and has really left the country down with his approach to air travel into our country.

    As you say, baffling.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #1545
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Here's the piece from irishcentral for anyone who didn't see it...

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true


    Is Irish Central now some sort of greqt journalism?


    Just wondering why it is been posted so many times?


    I always thought it was a bit of touchy feely Irish stuff for the expats? about how great the "craic" is in Ireland?


  • #1546
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Front page of the Irish Times again is a bit embarrassing for our 'it isn't possible' pharma experts this AM.

    :):)


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-s-pharma-industry-gears-up-to-make-key-ingredient-for-covid-19-testing-1.4218334


    Yes it is embarrassing, for you!!



    Did you even read the article or just the headline and posted it? which seems to be an all too common occurance on SF threads


  • #1547
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Is Irish Central now some sort of greqt journalism?


    Just wondering why it is been posted so many times?


    I always thought it was a bit of touchy feely Irish stuff for the expats? about how great the "craic" is in Ireland?

    Did you read the piece?

    Read it and tell us what you think.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #1548
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Is Irish Central now some sort of greqt journalism?


    Just wondering why it is been posted so many times?


    I always thought it was a bit of touchy feely Irish stuff for the expats? about how great the "craic" is in Ireland?

    Its mostly a residue of oirish American types who used and who some maybe still contribute to getting the occupying forces out of Ireland
    Ergo, as useful a source for unbiased commentary as an Phoblacht


  • #1549
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,076 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Yes it is embarrassing, for you!!



    Did you even read the article or just the headline and posted it? which seems to be an all too common occurance on SF threads

    Eh...I quoted the relevant bit of the article, you know the bit that rubbishes what was being said here last night?
    Ireland’s pharmaceutical industry has indicated it is gearing up to produce key ingredients for Covid-19 testing which the State is struggling to source on the international market.

    Ireland's Pharma indiustry is at capacity...it cannot produce more or gear up...we were told last night by 'pharma experts' who appeared on thread.


    Is the Irish Times too 'touchy feely Irish stuff' too?


  • #1550
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What the ****?



    Who said that?

    You guys got your arses handed to you again.

    'Pharma can't do this and can't do that' etc etc.

    Link after link showing that it can indeed adapt in some areas.
    A pharma plant in Ireland is getting ready to 'step up' production if the HSE and NHS sign contracts
    And now this morning

    Pharma plants 'gearing up' to produce key ingredients.

    Just stop digging those holes.

    Ok, to explain - the pharma sector is not one big homogenous lump - read the EMA links I posted in response to one of your earlier replies and you'll get a flavour for just how diverse the sector is.

    Some plants and some equipment can be re-tasked to Covid-19 relevant work, as in the story you posted.

    That's about reagents - but you can make all the reagent you want, it still doesn't mean it will be any use to you unless you can get all the other bits to make up a test kit, then distribute them, have a testing infrastructure (including trained testers) and, crucially, enough labs and staff to examine the kits.

    It's a bit like making petrol - you can have millions of litres in a refinery, but unless there is some way to distribute it, and some way to use it then it's useless.

    Sorry, that's as simple as I can make it.

    Now it seems we'll be making enough reagent, but where are the rest of the kit elements going to come from?


  • #1551
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Here's the piece from irishcentral for anyone who didn't see it...

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true

    Wish we had more of this. Great to see a journalist from outside the bubble actually tell it like it is.
    We have little more than mouthpieces here currently. Repeating what they’re told rather than asking hard questions.
    All too cosy and close to each other and the parties


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  • #1552
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Eh...I quoted the relevant bit of the article, you know the bit that rubbishes what was being said here last night?


    Ireland's Pharma indiustry is at capacity...it cannot produce more or gear up...we were told last night by 'pharma experts' who appeared on thread.


    Is the Irish Times too 'touchy feely Irish stuff' too?

    OK, let me put this in terms SF might understand - this isn't like making fertiliser bombs, you can't just get a couple of extra bags, and a few extra litres of fuel oil and few extra yokels to mix it all together.

    Pharma plants may well be working at planned capacity, but it's not just a case of flicking a switch to command things to take off - production expansion is incremental and has to be planned as such......it would be dangerous to rush because the last thing we need to do now is introduce added problems such as faulty test kits, ineffectual medicines or treatments or defective devices such as ventilators.


  • #1553
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    OK, let me put this in terms SF might understand - this isn't like making fertiliser bombs, you can't just get a couple of extra bags, and a few extra litres of fuel oil and few extra yokels to mix it all together.

    Pharma plants may well be working at planned capacity, but it's not just a case of flicking a switch to command things to take off - production expansion is incremental and has to be planned as such......it would be dangerous to rush because the last thing we need to do now is introduce added problems such as faulty test kits, ineffectual medicines or treatments or defective devices such as ventilators.

    :D:D:D


  • #1554
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,076 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    Ok, to explain - the pharma sector is not one big homogenous lump - read the EMA links I posted in response to one of your earlier replies and you'll get a flavour for just how diverse the sector is.

    Some plants and some equipment can be re-tasked to Covid-19 relevant work, as in the story you posted.

    That's about reagents - but you can make all the reagent you want, it still doesn't mean it will be any use to you unless you can get all the other bits to make up a test kit, then distribute them, have a testing infrastructure (including trained testers) and, crucially, enough labs and staff to examine the kits.

    It's a bit like making petrol - you can have millions of litres in a refinery, but unless there is some way to distribute it, and some way to use it then it's useless.

    Sorry, that's as simple as I can make it.

    Now it seems we'll be making enough reagent, but where are the rest of the kit elements going to come from?

    You can try and refine and refine the argument to cover blushes here.


    The fact is, Pharma here can 'step up' can begin to produce different products etc.

    We were told in no uncertain terms last night, that anyone suggesting or calling for that...was 'mouthing off'.

    Embarrassing for those involved in that and I suggest you let it go now.


  • #1555
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Eh...I quoted the relevant bit of the article, you know the bit that rubbishes what was being said here last night?


    Ireland's Pharma indiustry is at capacity...it cannot produce more or gear up...we were told last night by 'pharma experts' who appeared on thread.


    Is the Irish Times too 'touchy feely Irish stuff' too?


    This just confirms your ignorance on the subject


  • #1556
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,076 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    This just confirms your ignorance on the subject

    Are you just gonna continue with the invective and insults or are you going to make a point?


  • #1557
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,256 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Did you read the piece?

    Read it and tell us what you think.

    I read it. Quite a good piece. It analysed the NAMA report quite well. I disagreed with the fact that mainstream media were not interested in the report.

    For instance here is Irish times with exactly what IrishCentral said https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/while-public-is-distracted-by-covid-19-nama-shrugs-off-loan-sale-findings-1.4208238?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fcommercial-property%2Fwhile-public-is-distracted-by-covid-19-nama-shrugs-off-loan-sale-findings-1.4208238

    Business Post said this https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwj2l_7srMnoAhX0snEKHfrYAEEQqQIILCgAMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businesspost.ie%2Fcompanies%2Fcag-report-raises-namas-sale-of-house-to-one-of-its-officials-1a487f7a&usg=AOvVaw2sK5YC6cywgDiWZBRTIDA_

    Independent said this https://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/nama-could-have-got-better-price-on-nantes-loan-sale-39059881.html

    It also said this https://www.independent.ie/business/difficult-to-conclude-nama-secured-the-best-possible-price-c-and-ag-39059586.html

    Irish Examiner said this https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/nama-did-not-achieve-best-financial-outcome-when-selling-off-loans--report-989020.html

    To suggest it slipped under Media scrutiny is not true.

    Also, I have not read the Comptroller and Auditor General report that was critical of Nama. Were they critical of the Department of Finance?


  • #1558
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    ‘Sinn Fein haven’t a clue and wouldn’t have a notion how to run a government’

    What you’re actually saying is

    ‘We’re afraid they might actually fix the countless crisis FFG have created and ignored and left behind and we can’t have that happening’

    In a nutshell


  • #1559
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »

    The fact is, Pharma here can 'step up' can begin to produce different products etc.

    We were told in no uncertain terms last night, that anyone suggesting or calling for that...was 'mouthing off'.

    Embarrassing for those involved in that and I suggest you let it go now.

    Would ya g'wan out of that
    I suggest you get your glands checked as they're really gone into claptrap overdrive this past few weeks

    Noone suggested pharma couldn't switch
    Your health spokeswoman on the other hand,for(like you) want of something to complain about,is going on like it's a click your fingers job and it happens


  • #1560
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You can try and refine and refine the argument to cover blushes here.


    The fact is, Pharma here can 'step up' can begin to produce different products etc.

    We were told in no uncertain terms last night, that anyone suggesting or calling for that...was 'mouthing off'.

    Embarrassing for those involved in that and I suggest you let it go now.

    Not covering any blushes - I work in a small part of the sector so I know what is capable of, and, equally, what problems can be created by rushing to production and/or facilities moving to produce items they are not familiar with - look at the problems the UK and US are having with contaminated kits and faulty reagents - not only are those kits useless, the time/resources taken to produce them has been wasted and they've damaged confidence in testing.

    The whole system needs to be synchronised properly or you are wasting resources and wasting time.

    And the story you linked mentions only one reagent - there are usually 3/4 different reagents in each kit - and as I said, you can have all the reagents you want, but they are only one part of the testing kits, and examining testing kits requires people, equipment and lab space.

    If SF have a solution to synchronising production of a multi-component kit, with the testing and analysis regime maybe they could share it with us?


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  • #1561
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Are you just gonna continue with the invective and insults or are you going to make a point?

    ignorance

    /ˈɪɡn(ə)r(ə)ns/

    noun
    noun: ignorance

    lack of knowledge or information.

    Best description for you on a number of subject.

    No need to post, you just keep showing your ignorance with each post. You should learn sometimes it is better just to keep quiet.


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