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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

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Runaways

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Maybe pick one of the crises you mention and explain how SF fix it?

By actually acknowledging they exist would be a start. Something FFG haven’t done. At all. Housing crisis alone was an open goal for FF to kill FG with in the election. They didn’t bring it up at all. I wonder why.

Mr E

Shefwedfan wrote: »

This just confirms your ignorance on the subject

Shefwedfan wrote: »

ignorance

/ˈɪɡn(ə)r(ə)ns/

noun
noun: ignorance

lack of knowledge or information.

Best description for you on a number of subject.

No need to post, you just keep showing your ignorance with each post. You should learn sometimes it is better just to keep quiet.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You will go in circles to be honest with taht poster, every post is a goalpost change.....then when that doesnt work,

1. the caps lock key will come on
2. will call you stupid or something
3. Will then accuse you of not answering his/her questions

Best to sit back and laugh.....

Mod: @Shefwedfan - maybe try debating the issues instead of post crap like this please. Don't post in this thread again.

Rows Grower

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You will go in circles to be honest with taht poster, every post is a goalpost change.....then when that doesnt work,

1. the caps lock key will come on
2. will call you stupid or something
3. Will then accuse you of not answering his/her questions

Best to sit back and laugh.....

Ohh the irony, the sweet, sweet irony.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you are the most entertaining poster on this forum.

Sultan_of_Ping

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

Here is just one post from earlier saying just that:

Keep digging lads and lassies, the laugh is truly on you today.

Undermined again. Sean O'Rourke discussing this now and reps of Irish Pharma companies due on to talk about 'switiching' to making reagaent.

So embarrassed for a few posters here again. (well, I'm not actually, just laughing at them getting caught out 'mouthing off' on behalf of FG)

OK, all they were saying is that bespoke facilities are bespoke facilities - aircraft hangars and train sheds are in the transport sector but no one expects that you could service DARTS at the airport, and aircraft powerplants in Inchicore - or maybe SF do, I don't know.

And again, reagent is but one element - where are the other elements coming from? Not to mention the sample processing and reading kit?

Maybe we could get car repair facilities to knock up a few PCR readers?

Btw, if you want to see how difficult it is - have a look at QIAGEN - they make Covid-19 testing kits, but even they are having trouble trying to convert more of their own facilties over to manufacturing testing kits!!

So the notion that any ol' pharma company can lash out a few kits is the type of patent nonsense you'd expect from SF.

Shefwedfan

Mortelaro wrote: »

Post you quoted,doesnt say what you say it says
It just states that the processes are bespoke ie backing up the point that finger clicking changes dont happen
It takes time
Your inexperienced (in pharma) health spokesperson like yourself meanwhile just scraping that FG hste barrel looking for so.ething to complain about
Would you like a shovel?

You will go in circles to be honest with taht poster, every post is a goalpost change.....then when that doesnt work,

1. the caps lock key will come on
2. will call you stupid or something
3. Will then accuse you of not answering his/her questions

Best to sit back and laugh.....

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

invective

I thought you that word a few weeks back
I'm smiling that you've learned it
You were a fan yourself of what it means when I showed the word to you after you threw invective after invective at me in the IRA run SF thread
But I'm a modest man
Granny always told me,self praise is no praise

Rows Grower

Shefwedfan wrote: »

ignorance

/ˈɪɡn(ə)r(ə)ns/

noun
noun: ignorance

lack of knowledge or information.

Best description for you on a number of subject.

No need to post, you just keep showing your ignorance with each post. You should learn sometimes it is better just to keep quiet.

So you got the last memo and won't be making anymore insulting remarks about travellers?

That's one group out of the way, it's a start anyway.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Post you quoted,doesnt say what you say it says
It just states that the processes are bespoke ie backing up the point that finger clicking changes dont happen
It takes time
Your inexperienced (in pharma) health spokesperson like yourself meanwhile just scraping that FG hste barrel looking for so.ething to complain about
Would you like a shovel?

Ah so it was 'finger clicking' change that was called for now...more lies.

The Pharma Industry just embarrassed the whole contingent of you on here by showing that they can indeed 'step up, and change production' if there is enough of a need.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

Here is just one post from earlier saying just that:

Keep digging lads and lassies, the laugh is truly on you today.

Undermined again. Sean O'Rourke discussing this now and reps of Irish Pharma companies due on to talk about 'switiching' to making reagaent.

So embarrassed for a few posters here again. (well, I'm not actually, just laughing at them getting caught out 'mouthing off' on behalf of FG)

Post you quoted,doesnt say what you say it says
It just states that the processes are bespoke ie backing up the point that finger clicking changes dont happen
It takes time
Your inexperienced (in pharma) health spokesperson like yourself meanwhile just scraping that FG hste barrel looking for so.ething to complain about
Would you like a shovel?

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

ignorance

/ˈɪɡn(ə)r(ə)ns/

noun
noun: ignorance

lack of knowledge or information.

Best description for you on a number of subject.

No need to post, you just keep showing your ignorance with each post. You should learn sometimes it is better just to keep quiet.

Look...this is just more invective...are you going to make a point?

FrancieBrady

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Not covering any blushes - I work in a small part of the sector so I know what is capable of, and, equally, what problems can be created by rushing to production and/or facilities moving to produce items they are not familiar with - look at the problems the UK and US are having with contaminated kits and faulty reagents - not only are those kits useless, the time/resources taken to produce them has been wasted and they've damaged confidence in testing.

The whole system needs to be synchronised properly or you are wasting resources and wasting time.

And the story you linked mentions only one reagent - there are usually 3/4 different reagents in each kit - and as I said, you can have all the reagents you want, but they are only one part of the testing kits, and examining testing kits requires people, equipment and lab space.

If SF have a solution to synchronising production of a multi-component kit, with the testing and analysis regime maybe they could share it with us?

Not what the issue was at all Sultan and i don't know if you are being genuine or trying to cover blushes tbh.

The issue was...'could pharma companies step up - Yes they can, by their OWN admission.
And could pharma switch production - and the answer to that again - is clearly, that they can.

The nuances and logistics of the above wasn't the point. Of course there will be challenges to 'step up to'.

joeguevara

Runaways wrote: »

Wish we had more of this. Great to see a journalist from outside the bubble actually tell it like it is.
We have little more than mouthpieces here currently. Repeating what they’re told rather than asking hard questions.
All too cosy and close to each other and the parties

Can I ask you a question? Have you read this article https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/while-public-is-distracted-by-covid-19-nama-shrugs-off-loan-sale-findings-1.4208238?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fcommercial-property%2Fwhile-public-is-distracted-by-covid-19-nama-shrugs-off-loan-sale-findings-1.4208238

The Irish Times article which was published on March 21st a full 6 days before Shane O Briens article in the Irish Central. Why are you saying that media didn’t ask the hard questions when it was clear the Irish Times did and even suggested that the report was published when the public were distracted. And why did it take the Irish Central another 6 days to publish theirs. Why weren’t they all over this?

Also, the Irish Central Article directly quoted the Times, Examiner and the Journal to make their points. It’s strange that you give out about mouthpiece journalism and heap praise on an article that is predominantly made up of said mouthpiece journalism.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Would ya g'wan out of that
I suggest you get your glands checked as they're really gone into claptrap overdrive this past few weeks

Noone suggested pharma couldn't switch
Your health spokeswoman on the other hand,for(like you) want of something to complain about,is going on like it's a click your fingers job and it happens

What?

Here is just one post from earlier saying just that:

Also, does she realise how bespoke these facilities are? The regulatory requirements required to start production, the equipment, training etc. She hasn’t a feckin clue. Is she seriously meant to be SF’s spokesperson on health??

Keep digging lads and lassies, the laugh is truly on you today.

Undermined again. Sean O'Rourke discussing this now and reps of Irish Pharma companies due on to talk about 'switiching' to making reagaent.

So embarrassed for a few posters here again. (well, I'm not actually, just laughing at them getting caught out 'mouthing off' on behalf of FG)

Sultan_of_Ping

Runaways wrote: »

‘Sinn Fein haven’t a clue and wouldn’t have a notion how to run a government’

What you’re actually saying is

‘We’re afraid they might actually fix the countless crisis FFG have created and ignored and left behind and we can’t have that happening’

In a nutshell

Maybe pick one of the crises you mention and explain how SF fix it?

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are you just gonna continue with the invective and insults or are you going to make a point?

ignorance

/ˈɪɡn(ə)r(ə)ns/

noun
noun: ignorance

lack of knowledge or information.

Best description for you on a number of subject.

No need to post, you just keep showing your ignorance with each post. You should learn sometimes it is better just to keep quiet.

Sultan_of_Ping

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can try and refine and refine the argument to cover blushes here.

The fact is, Pharma here can 'step up' can begin to produce different products etc.

We were told in no uncertain terms last night, that anyone suggesting or calling for that...was 'mouthing off'.

Embarrassing for those involved in that and I suggest you let it go now.

Not covering any blushes - I work in a small part of the sector so I know what is capable of, and, equally, what problems can be created by rushing to production and/or facilities moving to produce items they are not familiar with - look at the problems the UK and US are having with contaminated kits and faulty reagents - not only are those kits useless, the time/resources taken to produce them has been wasted and they've damaged confidence in testing.

The whole system needs to be synchronised properly or you are wasting resources and wasting time.

And the story you linked mentions only one reagent - there are usually 3/4 different reagents in each kit - and as I said, you can have all the reagents you want, but they are only one part of the testing kits, and examining testing kits requires people, equipment and lab space.

If SF have a solution to synchronising production of a multi-component kit, with the testing and analysis regime maybe they could share it with us?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The fact is, Pharma here can 'step up' can begin to produce different products etc.

We were told in no uncertain terms last night, that anyone suggesting or calling for that...was 'mouthing off'.

Embarrassing for those involved in that and I suggest you let it go now.

Would ya g'wan out of that
I suggest you get your glands checked as they're really gone into claptrap overdrive this past few weeks

Noone suggested pharma couldn't switch
Your health spokeswoman on the other hand,for(like you) want of something to complain about,is going on like it's a click your fingers job and it happens

Runaways

‘Sinn Fein haven’t a clue and wouldn’t have a notion how to run a government’

What you’re actually saying is

‘We’re afraid they might actually fix the countless crisis FFG have created and ignored and left behind and we can’t have that happening’

In a nutshell

joeguevara

Rows Grower wrote: »

Did you read the piece?

Read it and tell us what you think.

I read it. Quite a good piece. It analysed the NAMA report quite well. I disagreed with the fact that mainstream media were not interested in the report.

For instance here is Irish times with exactly what IrishCentral said https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/while-public-is-distracted-by-covid-19-nama-shrugs-off-loan-sale-findings-1.4208238?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fcommercial-property%2Fwhile-public-is-distracted-by-covid-19-nama-shrugs-off-loan-sale-findings-1.4208238

Business Post said this https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwj2l_7srMnoAhX0snEKHfrYAEEQqQIILCgAMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businesspost.ie%2Fcompanies%2Fcag-report-raises-namas-sale-of-house-to-one-of-its-officials-1a487f7a&usg=AOvVaw2sK5YC6cywgDiWZBRTIDA_

Independent said this https://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/nama-could-have-got-better-price-on-nantes-loan-sale-39059881.html

It also said this https://www.independent.ie/business/difficult-to-conclude-nama-secured-the-best-possible-price-c-and-ag-39059586.html

Irish Examiner said this https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/nama-did-not-achieve-best-financial-outcome-when-selling-off-loans--report-989020.html

To suggest it slipped under Media scrutiny is not true.

Also, I have not read the Comptroller and Auditor General report that was critical of Nama. Were they critical of the Department of Finance?

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

This just confirms your ignorance on the subject

Are you just gonna continue with the invective and insults or are you going to make a point?

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Eh...I quoted the relevant bit of the article, you know the bit that rubbishes what was being said here last night?

Ireland's Pharma indiustry is at capacity...it cannot produce more or gear up...we were told last night by 'pharma experts' who appeared on thread.

Is the Irish Times too 'touchy feely Irish stuff' too?

This just confirms your ignorance on the subject

FrancieBrady

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Ok, to explain - the pharma sector is not one big homogenous lump - read the EMA links I posted in response to one of your earlier replies and you'll get a flavour for just how diverse the sector is.

Some plants and some equipment can be re-tasked to Covid-19 relevant work, as in the story you posted.

That's about reagents - but you can make all the reagent you want, it still doesn't mean it will be any use to you unless you can get all the other bits to make up a test kit, then distribute them, have a testing infrastructure (including trained testers) and, crucially, enough labs and staff to examine the kits.

It's a bit like making petrol - you can have millions of litres in a refinery, but unless there is some way to distribute it, and some way to use it then it's useless.

Sorry, that's as simple as I can make it.

Now it seems we'll be making enough reagent, but where are the rest of the kit elements going to come from?

You can try and refine and refine the argument to cover blushes here.

The fact is, Pharma here can 'step up' can begin to produce different products etc.

We were told in no uncertain terms last night, that anyone suggesting or calling for that...was 'mouthing off'.

Embarrassing for those involved in that and I suggest you let it go now.

Mortelaro

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

OK, let me put this in terms SF might understand - this isn't like making fertiliser bombs, you can't just get a couple of extra bags, and a few extra litres of fuel oil and few extra yokels to mix it all together.

Pharma plants may well be working at planned capacity, but it's not just a case of flicking a switch to command things to take off - production expansion is incremental and has to be planned as such......it would be dangerous to rush because the last thing we need to do now is introduce added problems such as faulty test kits, ineffectual medicines or treatments or defective devices such as ventilators.

Sultan_of_Ping

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Eh...I quoted the relevant bit of the article, you know the bit that rubbishes what was being said here last night?

Ireland's Pharma indiustry is at capacity...it cannot produce more or gear up...we were told last night by 'pharma experts' who appeared on thread.

Is the Irish Times too 'touchy feely Irish stuff' too?

OK, let me put this in terms SF might understand - this isn't like making fertiliser bombs, you can't just get a couple of extra bags, and a few extra litres of fuel oil and few extra yokels to mix it all together.

Pharma plants may well be working at planned capacity, but it's not just a case of flicking a switch to command things to take off - production expansion is incremental and has to be planned as such......it would be dangerous to rush because the last thing we need to do now is introduce added problems such as faulty test kits, ineffectual medicines or treatments or defective devices such as ventilators.

Runaways

Rows Grower wrote: »

Here's the piece from irishcentral for anyone who didn't see it...

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Wish we had more of this. Great to see a journalist from outside the bubble actually tell it like it is.
We have little more than mouthpieces here currently. Repeating what they’re told rather than asking hard questions.
All too cosy and close to each other and the parties

Sultan_of_Ping

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What the ****?

Who said that?

You guys got your arses handed to you again.

'Pharma can't do this and can't do that' etc etc.

Link after link showing that it can indeed adapt in some areas.
A pharma plant in Ireland is getting ready to 'step up' production if the HSE and NHS sign contracts
And now this morning

Pharma plants 'gearing up' to produce key ingredients.

Just stop digging those holes.

Ok, to explain - the pharma sector is not one big homogenous lump - read the EMA links I posted in response to one of your earlier replies and you'll get a flavour for just how diverse the sector is.

Some plants and some equipment can be re-tasked to Covid-19 relevant work, as in the story you posted.

That's about reagents - but you can make all the reagent you want, it still doesn't mean it will be any use to you unless you can get all the other bits to make up a test kit, then distribute them, have a testing infrastructure (including trained testers) and, crucially, enough labs and staff to examine the kits.

It's a bit like making petrol - you can have millions of litres in a refinery, but unless there is some way to distribute it, and some way to use it then it's useless.

Sorry, that's as simple as I can make it.

Now it seems we'll be making enough reagent, but where are the rest of the kit elements going to come from?

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes it is embarrassing, for you!!

Did you even read the article or just the headline and posted it? which seems to be an all too common occurance on SF threads

Eh...I quoted the relevant bit of the article, you know the bit that rubbishes what was being said here last night?

Ireland’s pharmaceutical industry has indicated it is gearing up to produce key ingredients for Covid-19 testing which the State is struggling to source on the international market.

Ireland's Pharma indiustry is at capacity...it cannot produce more or gear up...we were told last night by 'pharma experts' who appeared on thread.

Is the Irish Times too 'touchy feely Irish stuff' too?

Mortelaro

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Is Irish Central now some sort of greqt journalism?

Just wondering why it is been posted so many times?

I always thought it was a bit of touchy feely Irish stuff for the expats? about how great the "craic" is in Ireland?

Its mostly a residue of oirish American types who used and who some maybe still contribute to getting the occupying forces out of Ireland
Ergo, as useful a source for unbiased commentary as an Phoblacht

Rows Grower

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Is Irish Central now some sort of greqt journalism?

Just wondering why it is been posted so many times?

I always thought it was a bit of touchy feely Irish stuff for the expats? about how great the "craic" is in Ireland?

Did you read the piece?

Read it and tell us what you think.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Front page of the Irish Times again is a bit embarrassing for our 'it isn't possible' pharma experts this AM.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-s-pharma-industry-gears-up-to-make-key-ingredient-for-covid-19-testing-1.4218334

Yes it is embarrassing, for you!!

Did you even read the article or just the headline and posted it? which seems to be an all too common occurance on SF threads