Runaways wrote: » In the mood to watch a meltdown Pearse Doherty in conversation with David McWilliams I suggest all you FG fanbots watch and Listen if you can. This is what coming. But FG will of course be late to the thought and will claim it was their plan all along. And you’ll complain about it now but no doubt applaud it when it comes https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/645715949307217/?vh=e&d=n
Ireland’s pharmaceutical industry has indicated it is gearing up to produce key ingredients for Covid-19 testing which the State is struggling to source on the international market.
Rows Grower wrote: » How many flights arrived into the country from the U.K. in the last fortnight alone? How many will arrive today?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Front page of the Irish Times again is a bit embarrassing for our 'it isn't possible' pharma experts this AM.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-s-pharma-industry-gears-up-to-make-key-ingredient-for-covid-19-testing-1.4218334
Phoebas wrote: » Should we close the border with the UK? I'm not sure how effective that would be, or how people would react to people travelling from Northern Ireland being refused entry at the border.
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » eh, no one is saying it isn't possible - there are parts of the pharma sector well positioned to make a contribution, and a significant one. Also, any excess in production, not required to fulfill existing contracts, can be directed towards the local market - but this takes time. Even if you have surplus plant capacity, you need to recruit and, perhaps, train operatives, validate processes, source raw materials and pre-cursors (or make them) etc etc etc What people are saying is that the ignorant utterings of SF are suggesting that all the pharma sector can pivot towards this one health threat - not for the first time (and undoubtedly not for the last), this demonstrates, on the part of SF, a significant failure to grasp the nature of the sector and how it operates. Which would make you fear for the future - no company will pull out if we get an SF-led government, but dollars to doughnuts you'll see no new investment, no expansion, no new products, no new projects or upgrades and a general slow decline of the sector.
What people are saying is that the ignorant utterings of SF are suggesting that all the pharma sector can pivot towards this one health threat - not for the first time (and undoubtedly not for the last), this demonstrates, on the part of SF, a significant failure to grasp the nature of the sector and how it operates.
Rows Grower wrote: » Did I say we should close the border? I asked how many flights have arrived in the last fortnight alone and how many are due to arrive today?
FrancieBrady wrote: » In the meantime, calm down folks, do a bit of reading about what is happening outside your clearly very small parishes!https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/from-perfume-to-hand-sanitiser-tvs-to-face-masks-how-companies-are-changing-track-to-fight-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0cAjVOLBpnw9oSTsVs-57x6TAW4IqDTujHBhXjI95bZ0MAHx0jNOHNMt0
Runaways wrote: » Just on that We’re building test centers all over the country But not at Dublin or Shannon airport Why?? That would make all the sense in the world. Especially if we’re not gonna full close down. And we’re not doing it. Baffling
Mortelaro wrote: » That's been happening since day one Though your Health spokeswoman is going on as if it isn't As for testing, we were among the most tested in the world until reagents ran out No justification for complaints there on a tiny island, but carry on, davycc is ready to thank, you might be able to do his remotely? An unnecessary Dail sitting today too, caused by Sinn Fein Great example
Rows Grower wrote: » Here's the piece from irishcentral for anyone who didn't see it...https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Shefwedfan wrote: » Is Irish Central now some sort of greqt journalism? Just wondering why it is been posted so many times? I always thought it was a bit of touchy feely Irish stuff for the expats? about how great the "craic" is in Ireland?
Shefwedfan wrote: » Yes it is embarrassing, for you!! Did you even read the article or just the headline and posted it? which seems to be an all too common occurance on SF threads
FrancieBrady wrote: » What the ****? Who said that? You guys got your arses handed to you again. 'Pharma can't do this and can't do that' etc etc. Link after link showing that it can indeed adapt in some areas. A pharma plant in Ireland is getting ready to 'step up' production if the HSE and NHS sign contracts And now this morning Pharma plants 'gearing up' to produce key ingredients. Just stop digging those holes.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Eh...I quoted the relevant bit of the article, you know the bit that rubbishes what was being said here last night? Ireland's Pharma indiustry is at capacity...it cannot produce more or gear up...we were told last night by 'pharma experts' who appeared on thread. Is the Irish Times too 'touchy feely Irish stuff' too?
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » OK, let me put this in terms SF might understand - this isn't like making fertiliser bombs, you can't just get a couple of extra bags, and a few extra litres of fuel oil and few extra yokels to mix it all together. Pharma plants may well be working at planned capacity, but it's not just a case of flicking a switch to command things to take off - production expansion is incremental and has to be planned as such......it would be dangerous to rush because the last thing we need to do now is introduce added problems such as faulty test kits, ineffectual medicines or treatments or defective devices such as ventilators.
Sultan_of_Ping wrote: » Ok, to explain - the pharma sector is not one big homogenous lump - read the EMA links I posted in response to one of your earlier replies and you'll get a flavour for just how diverse the sector is.Some plants and some equipment can be re-tasked to Covid-19 relevant work, as in the story you posted. That's about reagents - but you can make all the reagent you want, it still doesn't mean it will be any use to you unless you can get all the other bits to make up a test kit, then distribute them, have a testing infrastructure (including trained testers) and, crucially, enough labs and staff to examine the kits. It's a bit like making petrol - you can have millions of litres in a refinery, but unless there is some way to distribute it, and some way to use it then it's useless. Sorry, that's as simple as I can make it. Now it seems we'll be making enough reagent, but where are the rest of the kit elements going to come from?
Shefwedfan wrote: » This just confirms your ignorance on the subject
Rows Grower wrote: » Did you read the piece? Read it and tell us what you think.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The fact is, Pharma here can 'step up' can begin to produce different products etc. We were told in no uncertain terms last night, that anyone suggesting or calling for that...was 'mouthing off'. Embarrassing for those involved in that and I suggest you let it go now.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You can try and refine and refine the argument to cover blushes here. The fact is, Pharma here can 'step up' can begin to produce different products etc. We were told in no uncertain terms last night, that anyone suggesting or calling for that...was 'mouthing off'. Embarrassing for those involved in that and I suggest you let it go now.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Are you just gonna continue with the invective and insults or are you going to make a point?
