CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

kilkenny31 · 01-04-2020 10:22PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

For people extolling Swedens approach to this....

They have gone from twice the deaths per million rate of their near neighbours Norway, to three times the death rate, in 2 days.

Yes but they aren't growing anywhere near what Italy and Spain were which does prove that population and population density matters.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 01-04-2020 10:23PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

If you are a part of an organization and adhere rigidly to their spin then it is difficult to be taken seriously. The HSE have record of spin and evasion and they seem to be bringing their A game to this outbreak unfortunately.

Well, I take her posts seriously. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Don’t speak for others.

Harry Palmr · 01-04-2020 10:23PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

For people extolling Swedens approach to this....

They have gone from twice the deaths per million rate of their near neighbours Norway, to three times the death rate, in 2 days.

Newsnight have just been discussing this - didn't pay much attention to it as they talked but a government minister mentioned the need to keep schools open as closing would wreck the public health sector.

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 10:24PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

For people extolling Swedens approach to this....

They have gone from twice the deaths per million rate of their near neighbours Norway, to three times the death rate, in 2 days.

There's a sobering graph on that very subject in this article.

sydthebeat · 01-04-2020 10:25PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Yes but they aren't growing anywhere near what Italy and Spain were which does prove that population and population density matters.

Did anyone ever argue otherwise??

This is the main reason India is gong to be decimated from this virus

maebee · 01-04-2020 10:25PM

elperello wrote: »

freshpopcorn wrote: »

There's a guy near me who's in his seventies and he's protesting because the church is closed!

In fairness a lot of the older generation find it hard to see churches closed.

He isn't really doing any harm with his protest and probably needs to be shown a bit of sensitivity.

He's in his 70s. Should he not be cocooning in his own home?

Strazdas · 01-04-2020 10:27PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Newsnight have just been discussing this - didn't pay much attention to it as they talked but a government minister mentioned the need to keep schools open as closing would wreck the public health sector.

Crazy stuff. Very little is known about Covid-19.....Sweden are taking a massive gamble with their people by leaving places open.

Martina1991 · 01-04-2020 10:27PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

If you are a part of an organization and adhere rigidly to their spin then it is difficult to be taken seriously. The HSE have record of spin and evasion and they seem to be bringing their A game to this outbreak unfortunately.

I do not represent anyone here in any official capacity. My opinions are my own. I could be the Queen of Denmark for all anyone knows.

Your issues appear to be with the HSE rather than me.

kilkenny31 · 01-04-2020 10:27PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Did anyone ever argue otherwise??

This is the main reason India is gong to be decimated from this virus

I refer you to the post a short time ago by FishOnABike

woohoo!!! · 01-04-2020 10:28PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Many people have made perfectly good recoveries from covid 19. In fact the vast majority infected have.

As I said voluntary only and not for everyone.

The Asian countries are seeing second waves of infections.

Containment has been a failure in the west, and unless you lockdown for a year cases will keep rising and falling.

It would be an absolute last resort as the resources required would be vast beyond belief nevermind the length of time.

Funsterdelux · 01-04-2020 10:30PM

Downlinz wrote: »

Reminiscent of the holy shrines in Iran which they'd all communally lick and spread the virus like wildfire.
I'm glad churches here had the sense to shut early because you could see something similar happening with hand shaking and communion wafer.

Have you not heard of the Holy Stone of Rathcormac, its a class 2 relic

sydthebeat · 01-04-2020 10:31PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I refer you to the post a short time ago by FishOnABike

Thanks, but I'm honestly not going to go looking back into that hell hole.

If anyone tried to argue that population and population density was not a factor in the spread of the virus then they simply haven't a clue and are taking out of their azz

YFlyer · 01-04-2020 10:31PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

We want to get to 15000 per day so we can slowly lift restrictions. Once we have the capacity to test everybody that needs a test we can slowly return to normal. In the mean time what we are doing is sufficient. We are testing the people who have symptoms so we can identify how many people are likely to need care in the next few weeks.

That be 400 days

Xertz · 01-04-2020 10:31PM

Just looking at Lara Marlowe's article in the Irish Times about French requisitions of PPE from companies with presence in France, including an EU distribution node of a Swedish company that has its masks manufactured in Asia.

If this is going to be the attitude of certain countries on the continent, we could be looking at a really serious problem for the EU. Seems there are quite a few governments that are fond of lecturing other countries, while being fair weather friends.

It's a very disappointing show of self-centred nationalism by an administration that has been continuously extolling the virtues of European solidarity:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-european-solidarity-sidelined-as-french-interests-take-priority-1.4216184

Also Euronews on the cancellation of an order destined for the NHS, due to the same requisition orders at the start of March.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-french-protective-mask-manufacturer-scraps-nhs-order-to-keep-masks-in-france

kilkenny31 · 01-04-2020 10:32PM

YFlyer wrote: »

That be 400 days

We will get to a good level of testing sooner than that.

JRant · 01-04-2020 10:33PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Well, I take her posts seriously. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Don’t speak for others.

The irony is delicious is this post anyway.

They have a valid point. Doesn't matter what way you spin it, they committed to testing 15000, set up drive through testing centres, got the staff, security and everything else required. After a week they realised, hang on a minute we don't have the labs or the key ingredients to actually do anything near that level of testing.

Leo talking about lessons learned like it was a bloody work project. There will be no lessons learned, it was a poorly planned, poorly executed effort from the beginning. Well, it was either that or a level of incompetence that I didn't think even the HSE had in them.

Strumms · 01-04-2020 10:34PM

maebee wrote: »

elperello wrote: »

He's in his 70s. Should he not be in his own home?

He’d be happy to have churches open and death and illness rampant and rampaging throughout the congregation and wider community? Just shows the type of head the balls that religion can attract, fück sake. :rolleyes:

01-04-2020 10:34PM

woohoo!!! wrote: »

It would be an absolute last resort as the resources required would be vast beyond belief nevermind the length of time.

Agreed. At some stage it is just going to have to be let run it’s course. As much as some here would like it, a lockdown can’t go on until we have a vaccine. Normal life, albeit with social distancing, office workers still WFH, numbers in pubs and restaurants restricted, and sports behind closed doors, will resume. Or we are talking economic and social suicide (with all the resulting impact on public health). I give it 3 months at the absolute outside, even if we are still getting new ICU cases and deaths

freshpopcorn · 01-04-2020 10:37PM

maebee wrote: »

elperello wrote: »

He's in his 70s. Should he not be in his own home?

Yes, that’s was one of the reasons why I shared it.
I’d sort of like If the guards told him where to go.

They are plenty of people who’s said mass and the church is closed but they know they’ve to deal with it for every bodies sake.

YFlyer · 01-04-2020 10:37PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

We will get to a good level of testing sooner than that.

15000 times 400.

snotboogie · 01-04-2020 10:38PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Yes but they aren't growing anywhere near what Italy and Spain were which does prove that population and population density matters.

Overall population density in Sweden is misleading since they have a vast area where nobody lives and a relitively small area where most people live. Sweden is one of the most urbanised countries in the EU, far more so than Itay

Xertz · 01-04-2020 10:39PM

Strumms wrote: »

maebee wrote: »

He’d be happy to have churches open and death and illness rampant and rampaging throughout the congregation and wider community? Just shows the type of head the balls that religion can attract, fück sake. :rolleyes:

Out of approximately 4.8 million people, it's fairly inevitable you'll get one person who'll take a view like that. It's also very obviously not a widespread view and has very little support, even from the Church itself.

MipMap · 01-04-2020 10:39PM

Lavinia wrote: »

I suppose if you go to few places you don't want to touch it till you're finished

That's my theory. Wash your hands then put on the mask in a clean environment.

Do your stuff, avoid touching the mask and when you remove it do so carefully and dispose. Wash hands again.

Strazdas · 01-04-2020 10:39PM

JRant wrote: »

The irony is delicious is this post anyway.

They have a valid point. Doesn't matter what way you spin it, they committed to testing 15000, set up drive through testing centres, got the staff, security and everything else required. After a week they realised, hang on a minute we don't have the labs or the key ingredients to actually do anything near that level of testing.

Leo talking about lessons learned like it was a bloody work project. There will be no lessons learned, it was a poorly planned, poorly executed effort from the beginning. Well, it was either that or a level of incompetence that I didn't think even the HSE had in them.

How could they anticipate international shortages of chemicals and tests that hadn't even occurred yet?

FishOnABike · 01-04-2020 10:40PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

So far tho that is proven not to be the case. Population density has a lot to do with it. Look at Sweden, very light restrictions but its not growing there anywhere near as fast as it is in Italy or Spain. Its because its not as densly populated. Same as Portugal is not getting hit as bad as Spain. Its population is a lot smaller.

Agreed. The population density, average number of contacts a person has and natural social distancing in a country (or area) would all impact the transmission and growth rate, of infection, hospital + ICU admission and mortality rates.

There might be some correlation in that countries with a higher population may have a higher population density but it's not a given.

After it's all over it may be valid to make comparisons based on normalized numbers but at the moment making valid country to country zero day comparisons would need to be in absolute numbers rather than relative to their populations.

Roger_007 · 01-04-2020 10:40PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Newsnight have just been discussing this - didn't pay much attention to it as they talked but a government minister mentioned the need to keep schools open as closing would wreck the public health sector.

The Swedish approach is dictated entirely by the public health experts there, or so they claim anyway. I think the most important thing that was said in that interview is that nobody really knows because nothing like this has happened before.
Nobody can be sure what is the proper strategy once the virus has escaped and is widespread in the community. It’s possible that there is nothing you can do that will make much difference.
My own view is that a hard lockdown will become counter-productive within a short time and cannot be maintained for very long anyway, whereas a more relaxed regime can be maintained for much longer and may be more effective in the end. Time will tell.

s1ippy · 01-04-2020 10:42PM

Strazdas wrote: »

How could they anticipate international shortages of chemicals and tests that hadn't even occurred yet?

A friend of mine works in Pfizer and he texted me in late February about the shortage of reagent.

Jinglejangle69 · 01-04-2020 10:42PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Many people have made perfectly good recoveries from covid 19. In fact the vast majority infected have.

As I said voluntary only and not for everyone.

The Asian countries are seeing second waves of infections.

Containment has been a failure in the west, and unless you lockdown for a year cases will keep rising and falling.

Link to the second wave?

Jinglejangle69 · 01-04-2020 10:43PM

s1ippy wrote: »

A friend of mine works in Pfizer and he texted me in late February about the shortage of reagent.

Sure he did.

s1ippy · 01-04-2020 10:43PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Link to the second wave?

Literally googled second wave China
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/world/asia/coronavirus-china-hong-kong-singapore-south-korea.amp.html

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