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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #5552
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Downlinz wrote: »
    It would be insanity considering the risk of death and suggestion survivors can suffer from permanent lung damage which possibly reduces lifespan.

    The purpose of a lockdown is to stop community spread and bring it back down to small, controlled clusters from traceable sources. At which point we can mostly go back to regular life with some precautions.

    I don't know what the hard on some people have with this idea that we can't stop the virus and must all get ourselves infected at some point. That's not happening in any of the Asian countries at all. They locked down, contained it and moved on with their lives.

    Many people have made perfectly good recoveries from covid 19. In fact the vast majority infected have.

    As I said voluntary only and not for everyone.

    The Asian countries are seeing second waves of infections.

    Containment has been a failure in the west, and unless you lockdown for a year cases will keep rising and falling.


  • #5553
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    Is it valid to compare on a per capita basis?

    In the early days the rate of infection transmission should be independent of the population size. If each person, on average, infects three others theb, apart from very small isolated populations, it should, in the absence of measures to reduce transmission, be able to spread at a consistent rate independent of population size until a significant proportion of the population has been infected.

    In the early days it shouldn't matter whether a country has five million or fifty million people the spread, hospital and ICU admission and mortality should be compared in absolute number terms, not relative to the countries total populations.

    So far tho that is proven not to be the case. Population density has a lot to do with it. Look at Sweden, very light restrictions but its not growing there anywhere near as fast as it is in Italy or Spain. Its because its not as densly populated. Same as Portugal is not getting hit as bad as Spain. Its population is a lot smaller.


  • #5554
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    pjohnson wrote: »
    But think of how much more important money is than life! Thats the mindset of (thankfully) very few.

    I've no doubt they'll find plenty of volunteers in some poor overpopulated country full of illiterate people desperate for a few dollars. Such is mankind.


  • #5555
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    April fools surely? Even the 'devout' are not that thick

    Pretty sure they are, to be honest.swallow any ould bs. Lad gets up out of a cave after dying and flies into the sky, never to be seen or heard of again. Suuuure.


  • #5556
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,048 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    For people extolling Swedens approach to this....

    They have gone from twice the deaths per million rate of their near neighbours Norway, to three times the death rate, in 2 days.


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  • #5557
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    pjohnson wrote: »
    But think of how much more important money is than life! Thats the mindset of (thankfully) very few.

    Many people are going to get it anyways.

    There's actually no guarantee of a vaccine in a year by the way.

    We are just surmising there will be.


  • #5558
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,088 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    For people extolling Swedens approach to this....

    They have gone from twice the deaths per million rate of their near neighbours Norway, to three times the death rate, in 2 days.

    But is the economy booming more importantly? If it is its a roaring success nothing else matters for some!


  • #5559
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    For people extolling Swedens approach to this....

    They have gone from twice the deaths per million rate of their near neighbours Norway, to three times the death rate, in 2 days.

    Yes but they aren't growing anywhere near what Italy and Spain were which does prove that population and population density matters.


  • #5560
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    If you are a part of an organization and adhere rigidly to their spin then it is difficult to be taken seriously. The HSE have record of spin and evasion and they seem to be bringing their A game to this outbreak unfortunately.

    Well, I take her posts seriously. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Don’t speak for others.


  • #5561
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    For people extolling Swedens approach to this....

    They have gone from twice the deaths per million rate of their near neighbours Norway, to three times the death rate, in 2 days.

    Newsnight have just been discussing this - didn't pay much attention to it as they talked but a government minister mentioned the need to keep schools open as closing would wreck the public health sector.


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  • #5562
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    For people extolling Swedens approach to this....

    They have gone from twice the deaths per million rate of their near neighbours Norway, to three times the death rate, in 2 days.

    There's a sobering graph on that very subject in this article.


  • #5563
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,048 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Yes but they aren't growing anywhere near what Italy and Spain were which does prove that population and population density matters.

    Did anyone ever argue otherwise??

    This is the main reason India is gong to be decimated from this virus


  • #5564
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭maebee


    elperello wrote: »
    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    There's a guy near me who's in his seventies and he's protesting because the church is closed!

    In fairness a lot of the older generation find it hard to see churches closed.

    He isn't really doing any harm with his protest and probably needs to be shown a bit of sensitivity.


    He's in his 70s. Should he not be cocooning in his own home?


  • #5565
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Newsnight have just been discussing this - didn't pay much attention to it as they talked but a government minister mentioned the need to keep schools open as closing would wreck the public health sector.

    Crazy stuff. Very little is known about Covid-19.....Sweden are taking a massive gamble with their people by leaving places open.


  • #5566
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    If you are a part of an organization and adhere rigidly to their spin then it is difficult to be taken seriously. The HSE have record of spin and evasion and they seem to be bringing their A game to this outbreak unfortunately.

    I do not represent anyone here in any official capacity. My opinions are my own. I could be the Queen of Denmark for all anyone knows.

    Your issues appear to be with the HSE rather than me.


  • #5567
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Did anyone ever argue otherwise??

    This is the main reason India is gong to be decimated from this virus

    I refer you to the post a short time ago by FishOnABike


  • #5568
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Many people have made perfectly good recoveries from covid 19. In fact the vast majority infected have.

    As I said voluntary only and not for everyone.

    The Asian countries are seeing second waves of infections.

    Containment has been a failure in the west, and unless you lockdown for a year cases will keep rising and falling.
    It would be an absolute last resort as the resources required would be vast beyond belief nevermind the length of time.


  • #5569
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Downlinz wrote: »
    Reminiscent of the holy shrines in Iran which they'd all communally lick and spread the virus like wildfire.
    I'm glad churches here had the sense to shut early because you could see something similar happening with hand shaking and communion wafer.

    Have you not heard of the Holy Stone of Rathcormac, its a class 2 relic


  • #5570
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,048 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    I refer you to the post a short time ago by FishOnABike

    Thanks, but I'm honestly not going to go looking back into that hell hole.

    If anyone tried to argue that population and population density was not a factor in the spread of the virus then they simply haven't a clue and are taking out of their azz


  • #5571
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    We want to get to 15000 per day so we can slowly lift restrictions. Once we have the capacity to test everybody that needs a test we can slowly return to normal. In the mean time what we are doing is sufficient. We are testing the people who have symptoms so we can identify how many people are likely to need care in the next few weeks.

    That be 400 days


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  • #5572
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    Just looking at Lara Marlowe's article in the Irish Times about French requisitions of PPE from companies with presence in France, including an EU distribution node of a Swedish company that has its masks manufactured in Asia.

    If this is going to be the attitude of certain countries on the continent, we could be looking at a really serious problem for the EU. Seems there are quite a few governments that are fond of lecturing other countries, while being fair weather friends.

    It's a very disappointing show of self-centred nationalism by an administration that has been continuously extolling the virtues of European solidarity:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-european-solidarity-sidelined-as-french-interests-take-priority-1.4216184

    Also Euronews on the cancellation of an order destined for the NHS, due to the same requisition orders at the start of March.

    https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/06/coronavirus-french-protective-mask-manufacturer-scraps-nhs-order-to-keep-masks-in-france


  • #5573
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    YFlyer wrote: »
    That be 400 days

    We will get to a good level of testing sooner than that.


  • #5574
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,197 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Well, I take her posts seriously. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Don’t speak for others.

    The irony is delicious is this post anyway.

    They have a valid point. Doesn't matter what way you spin it, they committed to testing 15000, set up drive through testing centres, got the staff, security and everything else required. After a week they realised, hang on a minute we don't have the labs or the key ingredients to actually do anything near that level of testing.

    Leo talking about lessons learned like it was a bloody work project. There will be no lessons learned, it was a poorly planned, poorly executed effort from the beginning. Well, it was either that or a level of incompetence that I didn't think even the HSE had in them.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #5575
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    maebee wrote: »
    elperello wrote: »


    He's in his 70s. Should he not be in his own home?

    He’d be happy to have churches open and death and illness rampant and rampaging throughout the congregation and wider community? Just shows the type of head the balls that religion can attract, fück sake. :rolleyes:


  • #5576
    [Deleted User]
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    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    It would be an absolute last resort as the resources required would be vast beyond belief nevermind the length of time.

    Agreed. At some stage it is just going to have to be let run it’s course. As much as some here would like it, a lockdown can’t go on until we have a vaccine. Normal life, albeit with social distancing, office workers still WFH, numbers in pubs and restaurants restricted, and sports behind closed doors, will resume. Or we are talking economic and social suicide (with all the resulting impact on public health). I give it 3 months at the absolute outside, even if we are still getting new ICU cases and deaths


  • #5577
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,762 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    maebee wrote: »
    elperello wrote: »


    He's in his 70s. Should he not be in his own home?

    Yes, that’s was one of the reasons why I shared it.
    I’d sort of like If the guards told him where to go.

    They are plenty of people who’s said mass and the church is closed but they know they’ve to deal with it for every bodies sake.


  • #5578
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    We will get to a good level of testing sooner than that.

    15000 times 400.


  • #5579
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Yes but they aren't growing anywhere near what Italy and Spain were which does prove that population and population density matters.

    Overall population density in Sweden is misleading since they have a vast area where nobody lives and a relitively small area where most people live. Sweden is one of the most urbanised countries in the EU, far more so than Itay


  • #5580
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    Strumms wrote: »
    maebee wrote: »

    He’d be happy to have churches open and death and illness rampant and rampaging throughout the congregation and wider community? Just shows the type of head the balls that religion can attract, fück sake. :rolleyes:

    Out of approximately 4.8 million people, it's fairly inevitable you'll get one person who'll take a view like that. It's also very obviously not a widespread view and has very little support, even from the Church itself.


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  • #5581
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Lavinia wrote: »
    I suppose if you go to few places you don't want to touch it till you're finished


    That's my theory. Wash your hands then put on the mask in a clean environment.


    Do your stuff, avoid touching the mask and when you remove it do so carefully and dispose. Wash hands again.


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