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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #5342
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    New Home wrote: »
    Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

    previously known as SARS


  • #5343
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    niallo27 wrote: »
    But yet they are not in any sort of lockdown

    Their self-isolation (stay at home notice) measures include having a text messsage sent you you several times a day whereby you have to send your GPS location To authorities. You can also get a phone call and you have to send a picture of where you are while on the call. They also can call to your door to check up on you. So while they’re not on actual lockdown, they have very strict control measures for keeping people off the streets, none of which could ever be done here because people would scream blue murder about human rights.


  • #5344
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Lavinia wrote: »
    i really envy sweden

    news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-hasnt-sweden-gone-into-lockdown-over-covid-19-pandemic

    I wouldn't. They have a much higher mortality rate per million than Ireland and their trajectory is frightening by comparison to other Nordic countries.


  • #5345
    BarryD2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Looney1 wrote: »
    I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

    Working on efficient ways of treating it would be the main priority I'd think. That's surely the short term goal.


  • #5346
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Big difference in terms of medical ability between then and now along with other advances. It'll take time yes but no comparison inmo

    So even with medical advances, it's a new virus that nobody knows much about yet.


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  • #5347
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭threeball


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I suspect we will do better than many countries, for sure, because we were fortunate to get it later, and implement our lockdown sooner.

    However, the relative numbers to date (when the lockdown hasn't fully had a chance to kick in and affect the numbers) are not "middle of the pack", they are bottom of the effing barrel.

    That you don't give a sh1te how two countries who have been relatively successful in coping with the virus is concerning. Are you solely interested in the virus as a way to point out how we are doing better than the UK?



    I think we've been very lucky, relatively speaking, and that we'll do better than many countries, but this cherry picking of the UK and with their sh1tty, sh1tty approach and saying "Everything's fine, we're doing better than these guys.." is tiresome nonsense.

    I don't care about them because they aren't slightly comparable. Different type of governance, different attitudes to authority, different lifestyle, different health care, past experience with SARS and MERS. Just completely different.

    You didn't answer my question of who in Europe is doing better, bar the ones I mentioned who have their own reasons.


  • #5348
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We're not getting out of this anytime soon, are we?

    Looking back at other pandemics and it's at least a year. Spanish flu was almost 3 years long.

    You simply cant compare the two for quite obvious reasons.

    Medical care, ability to produce and test vaccine in a large scale when possible etc.

    I think although we're in an awful situation, people do need to keep in mind this isn't going to go on forever and a point in time will come when normality per say returns.

    Looking back at other pandemics will do you no good. I've cut out checking the latest news every hour or so to once a day and mentally its much better. People need to switch off at times


  • #5349
    Covid19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Covid19


    New Home wrote: »
    Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

    Sadly, no. I was around in 1918 though, but under a different name.


  • #5350
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    fullstop wrote: »
    Their self-isolation (stay at home notice) measures include having a text messsage sent you you several times a day whereby you have to send your GPS location To authorities. You can also get a phone call and you have to send a picture of where you are while on the call. They also can call to your door to check up on you. So while they’re not on actual lockdown, they have very strict control measures for keeping people off the streets, none of which could ever be done here because people would scream blue murder about human rights.

    Strict control measures indeed, but schools and business are still open.

    You’re missing that point.


  • #5351
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ITman88 wrote: »

    All these posts serve to do is reiterate that the most balanced posters who often quote the facts are the ones who consider all effects of the current situation, social, economic and health

    You need to prioritize the efforts and effects...

    Health

    Economy

    Social

    In this order... forget about watching the news and identifying what governments are doing well or not doing... look at yourself, your family, your and their behaviors.

    You have zero influence as to what is going on in government buildings so don’t worry about it.

    On the other hand... examples of what you can influence...

    Your other half wanting to meet girlfriends for a 30 min catch up over a socially distant coffee.. NO CHANCE...for a release and pS4 and beer with the guys for an hour respecting again distance ? ZERO CHANCE... Just to call around to xx person to have a ‘quick chat’ who might be feeling lonely? NO, ring them instead.


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  • #5352
    Covid19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Covid19


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I wouldn't. They have a much higher mortality rate per million than Ireland and their trajectory is frightening by comparison to other Nordic countries.


    How does Sweden's Health system stack up against the rest of Europe?


  • #5353
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Covid19 wrote: »
    How does Sweden's Health system stack up against the rest of Europe?

    Dunno.


  • #5354
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭threeball


    Looney1 wrote: »
    So 2/3s of population is roughly 3.7 million. Take a death rate of 2% for argument sake. 74000?????. Is that what we are looking at.????

    It won't be any where near that % as we'll stay inside the capacity of the health system and as more recover less infections will occur. This could take two years to pass through though.

    Look back at Anthony Fauci on the press conference last night. That is what he sees as the way out of this for the US. He even said herd immunity. Their problem is they put controls in place too late.


  • #5355
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,375 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    ITman88 wrote: »
    Exactly.
    Some posters are completely dismissive of the economic carnage a lengthy lockdown would cause.

    They carried out studies on in the UK last week about it tho, 6.4% contraction in the economy will cost more lives than covid

    They also decided to let the virus rip and wait for 'herd immunity'. Of course that did not last long when the entomology experts got the memo. Then they decided to only test those presenting to hospital - at a rate of less than half ours. The allowed Cheltenham to go, and refused to close schools. Now they have over 500 deaths a day.

    I think their (the UK) predictions should be ignored.


  • #5356
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,148 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    New Home wrote: »
    Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

    You mean a mutation :eek:


  • #5357
    rodDaly69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭rodDaly69


    For anyone who still listens to that John Campbell clown, check out his excellent reporting on the situation here in Ireland at around the 11:25 mark, from today 1st April 2019



    link: https://youtu.be/Kt55EU1T0j8?t=684

    3 figures, lets see how accurately he has reported them.

    1) 3,253 confirmed - Incorrect

    well as of this evening we are actually at 3,447 cases. Perhaps he made this video early in the day and is using yesterdays figures? Well that would actually be 3,235. Oh... maybe his data is from the day before again. Nope, that's 2,910

    2) 71 Deaths - Correct

    He is correct according to yesterdays figures. No problems here

    3) 8.8m Population - Incorrect

    Don't think I need to look this one up lads. Unless he is a time traveller and has come from the 1840's (I don't think we hit that high even then, I think we just scraped into the low 8's before the famine?) He is wrong.


  • #5358
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    So who, right now, are the people catching it, in this world of social distancing when everyone knows the ground rules?


  • #5359
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    I'm struggling with how people don't see our numbers as positive. We are far from a dire situation we were facing a couple of weeks ago.


    The figures quoted a couple of weeks ago would have had us on an exponential growth, one that no country has (yet) seen. I get why it was announced (scare us into taking this seriously) but the more you look at graphs (particularly ones that break it down per head of population) we don't do particularly well all in all: http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/



    Bar the countries that are really struggling (Italy, Spain) and a load of micro-states, we seem to be right up there.


  • #5360
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl6HvTUGb2E


    For those struggling with the restrictions, this lady feels your pain..


  • #5361
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Experts think new cases will start to drop but deaths will stay high for the next ten days or so.

    New cases is the one to watch......if the numbers start to fall day on day, we're in business.

    You're getting slightly delusional and have been from day 1 on this issue.

    3 weeks ago you went on for days about the Dublin Patrick's Day parade. But shur it's open air. Why are people focussing on the parade?

    Absolutely no one could get through to you about other nationalities mixing. That the crowds outdoors would eat and drink indoors.

    You've never grasped this at all, at any stage. Experts say, experts say..

    New cases falling takes time. We'll have a peak to slowly come down from. Italy rose by 700 cases again and they're in lockdown longer than us.

    South Korea has an average of 100 new cases a day. That little group that can set off the thing again.


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  • #5362
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Looney1 wrote: »
    I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

    The WHO have been fighting epidemics for years they know what they are at. And this epidemic is far from their nightmare scenario.
    Google WHO disease X if you have the time.


  • #5363
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Boris Johnson said that the 13 year old dying was "more evidence that this illness does not discriminate". wtf? :confused:

    Does not discriminate? Of course it discriminates. It kills mostly the elderly or vulnerable and a few healthy young people. That's discrimination.

    It's like when people say cancer doesn't discriminate by age. Are they listening to the words they are saying? Cancer discriminates enormously depending on age.


  • #5364
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So who, right now, are the people catching it, in this world of social distancing when everyone knows the ground rules?

    I'm guessing families will be the main clusters now.


  • #5365
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,878 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Covid19 wrote: »
    Sadly, no. I was around in 1918 though, but under a different name.

    You've been around for a long, long year. Stole many a man's soul and faith...


  • #5366
    [Deleted User]
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    Arghus wrote: »
    On the face of it a lower figure is positive news. But it's hard to read anything substantial into it - we don't know the full story with testing and there's, I'm sure, many out there who have it and now don't qualify for testing - but I was fully expecting upwards of 400 today, so, fck it, 212 is better than that.

    Though, people who think this suggests a sign that normality will be returning sooner than expected are deluded. This is still going to be long haul, even if in the unlikely event that they get the daily rate down to something more manageable this is reality now for at least 12 weeks. And probably longer than that.

    You’re naive if you think that the government are not at some stage going to start thinking about the economy


  • #5367
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    previously known as SARS
    The swine!


  • #5368
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    fritzelly wrote: »
    You mean a mutation :eek:

    Very clever.


  • #5369
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So who, right now, are the people catching it, in this world of social distancing when everyone knows the ground rules?
    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I'm guessing families will be the main clusters now.

    Yes, that makes a lot of sense actually. But I still don't get how there is still a big surge on the way when everyone knows the rules.


  • #5370
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,148 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Gynoid wrote: »
    For those struggling with the restrictions, this lady feels your pain..

    Parents up and down the country going Hell Yeah


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  • #5371
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    threeball wrote: »
    You didn't answer my question of who in Europe is doing better, bar the ones I mentioned who have their own reasons.
    Per capita, at 8 days after their first death (where Ireland is now), Spain, Belgium, San Marino and Andorra were doing worse than we are. Every other country was doing better.


    For total deaths, at 5 days after the 10th death (where Ireland is now), China, Turkey and the UK were doing worse than we are. Every other country was doing better.


    threeball wrote: »

    I don't care about them because they are slightly comparable. Different type of governance, different attitudes to authority, different lifestyle, different health care, past experience with SARS and MERS. Just completely different.
    Okay, I give up. Go back to your cherry-picking. I'm out.


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