CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

ednwireland · 01-04-2020 08:35PM

walshb wrote: »

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

yes

wadacrack · 01-04-2020 08:36PM

https://twitter.com/CurlyJungleJake/status/1245221326358327296

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:36PM

Ficheall wrote: »

They have had it for a month longer than we have, so it has had much longer to spread.
Their numbers are rising day on day... what? Up, up, down, up, up, down, up, down, up, up, down, up, up, up, down, down, up... versus... up, down, up, up, down, up, down, down, up...?

And why the obsession with just the UK? I realise they're our nearest neighbours, but you're insisting on comparing us to one of the countries that opted for the dumbest approach. Good job us, we're not the complete bottom of the world rankings. Congratulations.

Well we were never going to be much better than middle of the pack. We don't have the resources. If you think the UK have a month longer to run than us then they truly are fcuked because they implemented measures 2 weeks after us. Like I said, we have had relatively few deaths considering whats going on in the vast majority of europe and we're nearing the beginning of our social distancing measures. Outside the very rich (germany) and the ex iron curtain countries who in Europe is doing better than us? I couldn't give a sh1te how they do it in China or Singapore. You may as well quote the numbers from Mars and look how well they are doing.

Grab All Association · 01-04-2020 08:36PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Yes. Brexit-voters, Trump-lovers, cyclist-haters.

These sorts of people think it’s a hoax, fake news, created by the Chinese in a lab in association with the Democrats, the EU to turn them into Venezuela. They don’t adhere to social distancing guidelines and open slabs of cans in the parks.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 01-04-2020 08:37PM

Arghus wrote: »

I don't want it to go on forever, far from it. But try to read between the lines. The virus won't be contained in a mere fortnight or even a month. You have to get it down to a rate of basically zero growth before you can even consider opening up everything again. Even a tiny handful of cases can quickly balloon, as we have already seen. And we'll be right back where we started.

Do you really think the numbers of new cases are going to be down to zero in a month or even six weeks? If you believe that, well, then I have some magic beans to sell you...

Think about why the government have the unemployment scheme set to run for 12 weeks.

We may figure out how to shield those at risk better though. It might mean that the at-risk population have to become quite isolated which isn’t ideal. But I’m one of them and I'd do that isolation for the greater good if need be.

And don’t forget, we’re not just waiting on a vaccine or a medicine that works. We’re also waiting on statistically significant information about who this affects the worst. At the moment, we are not sure but new information is pouring in every day. We may well be able to lift some restrictions before a vaccine or medicine is found once we know who is at risk and how to protect them.

bekker · 01-04-2020 08:37PM

ITman88 wrote: »

I don’t understand if you are contradicting me?
These people were in quarantine and this behaved like so.
Meanwhile life continued on as normal outside school and business as normal

Exactly, just pointing out that they have the isolation-in-place nailed down, and by implication are fairly much on top of the situation, without the need for mass self-isolation.

That may change but one could be reasonably confident that they will handle it effectively if it becomes necessary.

01-04-2020 08:38PM

Nermal wrote: »

I have often heard the 'death rate skyrockets once ICU is overwhelmed' phrase. I've never seen any cites.

Would've taught this was commonsense tbh??

RandomName2 · 01-04-2020 08:38PM

ITman88 wrote: »

I don’t understand if you are contradicting me?
These people were in quarantine and this behaved like so.
Meanwhile life continued on as normal outside school and business as normal

Differences between Ireland and Sigapore

Ban on travel into Singapore from worst hit Covid-19 regions
Quarantine for anybody coming from a location with Covid-19
Facial masks distributed to everyone in the country
14 day stay-at-home notice for any visitors into the country

We didn't do that here because it wouldn't have been popular, so we allowed the virus to take hold. People coming back from northern Italy were allowed go their merry way. Once the virus has taken hold you have to enact much tougher legislation. We left it late, but not too late. Had we waited any longer we would be like Italy. If we had acted earlier a shutdown may not have been necessary.

Loafing Oaf · 01-04-2020 08:38PM

walshb wrote: »

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

most definitely

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:40PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

People see the positive and the numbers are great to see. They just don't hold much weight given testing is so all over the place. I am certainly not someone who wants to see the negative in everything. I just want to see some solid data that can have a measure of faith in it.

The data is the deaths and the proximity to measures. Deaths will drop 14 to 16 days after measures. The more measures the more the drop. Forget the test numbers, they mean damn all at this stage. They'd be better moving to the antibody test so they could start the ball rolling properly.

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:42PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's fine.

Just tell people that. Instead of telling them "they don't work" just say "it will another problem for our health workers, we don't have enough supply".

You tell people that and its every man for himself. They'll start raiding hospitals to get them. They were stealing hand santizer less than two weeks ago. People are Me Féiners.

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 08:43PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

But why would they be asking this?

People were saying 'what's the fuss about' when the outbreak was isolated in China. Didn't they understand the capacity for it to spread? People were saying 'why panic?' when there was only one case reported here. Didn't they understand exponential growth? People were saying 'it's not too bad' when there was only 2 deaths reported. Didn't they understand it takes a while for an infection to kill people?

Now we have over 10 people a day being cut down by this, and still you have people say 'what the fcuk is the big deal'. Don't they understand that if we get thousands of new cases each day that the economy collapses anyway?

Saying that only people particularly under threat from this should practice social isolation, and that the rest of the country should allow the virus run rampant, is essentially saying that the virus should be allowed infect everyone.

I love the idea of just isolating those who are vulnerable. No really, the idea is a nice one. However think about it logically. If everyone else has the virus, and has been told to not give a damn about spreading the virus, then the majority of these vulnerable individuals will probably get the virus too. It would be a dishonest way of sacrificing a large section of the population.

Afterwards the same people could say 'Look only 3% of the public died. It's not that big a deal. About 0.6% of the population dies each year, so that's only about 5 years' worth of dead people. In future let's not debate this, and ensure that jobs are prioritized'

It’s absolute ridiculous hysteric posts like this that validates the argument against a stricter lockdown.

3% of the public died, a statement with neither fact or anywhere near the case anywhere in the world.

No fact whatsoever in the argument here, just random numbers.

All these posts serve to do is reiterate that the most balanced posters who often quote the facts are the ones who consider all effects of the current situation, social, economic and health

Lavinia · 01-04-2020 08:43PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

People see the positive and the numbers are great to see. They just don't hold much weight given testing is so all over the place. I am certainly not someone who wants to see the negative in everything. I just want to see some solid data that can have a measure of faith in it.

+1

Cork Boy 53 · 01-04-2020 08:44PM

walshb wrote: »

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Looney1 · 01-04-2020 08:44PM

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:45PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Differences between Ireland and Sigapore
Ban on travel into Singapore from worst hit Covid-19 regions

Quarantine for anybody coming from a location with Covid-19

Facial masks distributed to everyone in the country

14 day stay-at-home notice for any visitors into the country

We didn't do that here because it wouldn't have been popular, so we allowed the virus to take hold. People coming back from northern Italy were allowed go their merry way. Once the virus has taken hold you have to enact much tougher legislation. We left it late, but not too late. Had we waited any longer we would be like Italy. If we had acted earlier a shutdown may not have been necessary.

And what then? Stay like a hermit on the edge of Europe, terrified of any one getting onto the island. Do you really think that we can just wait this out until it goes away?

Covid19 · 01-04-2020 08:46PM

spookwoman wrote: »

It's eerie looking at photographs like this, plus witnessing the Navy Set-up in Galway and yet feeling completely removed from the current crisis because of our relatively remote position outside a small town in the West of Ireland. In the town, there is the odd tractor or truck hauling Milk or delivering out to farmers, a few souls walking up the street, but that is about it.

Lavinia · 01-04-2020 08:46PM

Looney1 wrote: »

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

i really envy sweden

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-hasnt-sweden-gone-into-lockdown-over-covid-19-pandemic

Ficheall · 01-04-2020 08:48PM

threeball wrote: »

Well we were never going to be much better than middle of the pack. We don't have the resources. If you think the UK have a month longer to run than us then they truly are fcuked because they implemented measures 2 weeks after us. Like I said, we have had relatively few deaths considering whats going on in the vast majority of europe and we're nearing the beginning of our social distancing measures. Outside the very rich (germany) and the ex iron curtain countries who in Europe is doing better than us? I couldn't give a sh1te how they do it in China or Singapore. You may as well quote the numbers from Mars and look how well they are doing.

I suspect we will do better than many countries, for sure, because we were fortunate to get it later, and implement our lockdown sooner.

However, the relative numbers to date (when the lockdown hasn't fully had a chance to kick in and affect the numbers) are not "middle of the pack", they are bottom of the effing barrel.

That you don't give a sh1te how two countries who have been relatively successful in coping with the virus is concerning. Are you solely interested in the virus as a way to point out how we are doing better than the UK?

I think we've been very lucky, relatively speaking, and that we'll do better than many countries, but this cherry picking of the UK and with their sh1tty, sh1tty approach and saying "Everything's fine, we're doing better than these guys.." is tiresome nonsense.

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 08:49PM

We're not getting out of this anytime soon, are we?

Looking back at other pandemics and it's at least a year. Spanish flu was almost 3 years long.

saabsaab · 01-04-2020 08:49PM

threeball wrote: »

And what then? Stay like a hermit on the edge of Europe, terrified of any one getting onto the island. Do you really think that we can just wait this out until it goes away?

Too late now but that would have been a good plan.

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:50PM

Looney1 wrote: »

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

They know and they have said it but between the lines. Read between the lines of flatten the curve. Look at the graph, is there less volume in the peaked graph than the flattened one? No? Because its the same amount of people over a greater length of time. 2/3's of our population will get CV19, if you're extremely lucky you'll be in the 1/3 that don't.

They don't come out and say it because all our Chicken Littles will lose their minds.

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New Home · 01-04-2020 08:50PM

Covid19 wrote: »

Lol. Personally, I'm amazed that this username was available! The Joy of having a bored 11 year old in the house. "Hey dad, I wonder if..."

Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

TopOfTheHill · 01-04-2020 08:51PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I'm struggling with how people don't see our numbers as positive. We are far from a dire situation we were facing a couple of weeks ago.

I am guessing the numbers projected a few weeks ago, of 15,000 cases by end of March, were based on a lot more tests than the 30,000 that was carried out up to yesterday.

I don't think testing has kicked off properly yet, as there are too many delays in the system and we have not reached the 5,000 tests per day that has been mentioned.

Apologies if this is all mentioned before - just landed on this last page.

wadacrack · 01-04-2020 08:51PM

Very sad

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245433474569457664

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:52PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Too late now but that would have been a good plan.

Terrible plan as we'd be locked out of the world economy for 4 or 5yrs and we would be ripe for an infection at any stage, so whilst everyone else is getting on we'd be in the sh1t on our own.

01-04-2020 08:52PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We're not getting out of this anytime soon, are we?

Looking back at other pandemics and it's at least a year. Spanish flu was almost 3 years long.

Big difference in terms of medical ability between then and now along with other advances. It'll take time yes but no comparison inmo

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:54PM

New Home wrote: »

Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

No he's novel

Looney1 · 01-04-2020 08:54PM

threeball wrote: »

They know and they have said it but between the lines. Read between the lines of flatten the curve. Look at the graph, is there less volume in the peaked graph than the flattened one? No? Because its the same amount of people over a greater length of time. 2/3's of our population will get CV19, if you're extremely lucky you'll be in the 1/3 that don't.

They don't come out and say it because all our Chicken Littles will lose their minds.

So 2/3s of population is roughly 3.7 million. Take a death rate of 2% for argument sake. 74000?????. Is that what we are looking at.????

Lavinia · 01-04-2020 08:55PM

voluntary restrictions would be much appreciated versus these abiding mandatory ones

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