CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

Covid19 · 01-04-2020 08:16PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It would be great if you just fcuked off.

Lol. Personally, I'm amazed that this username was available! The Joy of having a bored 11 year old in the house. "Hey dad, I wonder if..."

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 08:19PM

Arghus wrote: »

I have to laugh at the naivete of people who say how can they impose stricter restrictions, as if this is as restricted as it gets.

This is restrictive, unbelievably so. But it's nowhere near what it could be. You could be in for a shock in a week or two. I hope not, but who knows.

There's plenty of people still out walking everywhere, there isn't really that visable of a presence of cops, you can go as often and as far as you like to the shops and plenty of factories and workplaces that aren't really essential have massaged that interpretation of the rules to stay open.

Harsher would mean only bare bones essential services staying open - chemists, foodstores, perhaps some banks. All restaurants closing, even for takeaway, remaining places of work except for those in the medical industry being closed. No more 2km walks. Maybe even no more walks outside full stop. And limitations on numbers of visits to foodshop, with only one person per household allowed. And cops and the army really up in your face asking you all about your business. That's a full lock down.

You have not even the slightest clue how health related supply chains work.

People currently working are worker’s directly effecting critical services.

What you are suggesting is absolutely ludicrous, and I can assure not happening in Italy.

If you put all resources we have we could possibly execute your idea in Dublin and Cork, no way could it be enforced rurally. In fact in couldn’t be enforced anywhere.
It’s about as restrictive as it will get

Sober Crappy Chemis · 01-04-2020 08:20PM

bassy wrote: »

are the stopping selling drink from tomorrow ?

Whoooahh whooooah whooooooooooaaaaaaaah there horse...

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 08:20PM

bassy wrote: »

are the stopping selling drink from tomorrow ?

April fool joke

Danzy · 01-04-2020 08:20PM

JPCN1 wrote: »

Singapore is not locked down...

Singapore is a tiny city State where chewing gum is a criminal offence and the police will beat the tar out of you for any minor infringement, before the Judge comes down on you like a sledge.

They also went through something similar with a previous Chinese flu outbreak, SARS 1.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 08:21PM

Israel now asking their population to wear masks in public.

The United States may make it obligatory.

Europe: They don't work (Europe only says this because we don't have the number of masks required for our health services, the real reason the authorities jump up and down when it's mentioned)

fullstop · 01-04-2020 08:21PM

Level 42 wrote: »

Ya it'll be relaxed in 9 days allright what planet are you on

In the space of a day he’s gone from saying nothing will change for months, to now saying the lockdown could be relaxed next week!! Rollercoaster ride this is

randy hickey · 01-04-2020 08:22PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It would be great if you just fcuked off.

Post of the Pandemic.

Arghus · 01-04-2020 08:22PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

TBH ideally we should really have been at that stage 3 weeks ago. Obviously resources/manpower to enforce it are an issue.

From the perspective of going all out to contain the spread, absolutely.

But it's a fair point that those in charge were making at the time. Once you go into that severe of a lock down, how long can it be sustained? People are already getting antsy and this is basically nothing.

And I don't think the full picture of the severity and enormity of the crisis was sinking in with people. Look at all the ejits in here still in denial. Imagine enforcing that on them three weeks ago.

And the political capital wouldn't have existed for the government to enforce such draconian measures - going from zero restrictions to total lock down, without any ramping up between.

And the state doesn't have the resources to police that form of lock down indefinitely either.

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:24PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Read in the paper today that in the UK they expect up to 80% of COVID19 patients put on ventilators could die.

Didn’t think it would be that high.

In italy it was 50% chance you wouldn't come off it. 80% is high, either they bought really sh1t ventilators or they are pushing up the numbers to worst case scenario so they can claim victory in the end.

Look at Trump, he wouldn't even say the numbers the other night live on TV, asked his medical experts to do it instead. Its bad for election prospects.

Gynoid · 01-04-2020 08:24PM

On the 4 week theme, (sorry it has bugged me today), but 4 weeks ago UK had its first covid death and recorded about 100 infections in total.

RandomName2 · 01-04-2020 08:25PM

easypazz wrote: »

Place the over 66's and anybody with a relevant underlying condition under house arrest would allow the rest of the population start getting back on track sooner.

Unless there is a big death toll every night people will be asking what the fcuk?

But why would they be asking this?

People were saying 'what's the fuss about' when the outbreak was isolated in China. Didn't they understand the capacity for it to spread? People were saying 'why panic?' when there was only one case reported here. Didn't they understand exponential growth? People were saying 'it's not too bad' when there was only 2 deaths reported. Didn't they understand it takes a while for an infection to kill people?

Now we have over 10 people a day being cut down by this, and still you have people say 'what the fcuk is the big deal'. Don't they understand that if we get thousands of new cases each day that the economy collapses anyway?

Saying that only people particularly under threat from this should practice social isolation, and that the rest of the country should allow the virus run rampant, is essentially saying that the virus should be allowed infect everyone.

I love the idea of just isolating those who are vulnerable. No really, the idea is a nice one. However think about it logically. If everyone else has the virus, and has been told to not give a damn about spreading the virus, then the majority of these vulnerable individuals will probably get the virus too. It would be a dishonest way of sacrificing a large section of the population.

Afterwards the same people could say 'Look only 3% of the public died. It's not that big a deal. About 0.6% of the population dies each year, so that's only about 5 years' worth of dead people. In future let's not debate this, and ensure that jobs are prioritized'

niallo27 · 01-04-2020 08:25PM

Danzy wrote: »

Singapore is a tiny city State where chewing gum is a criminal offence and the police will beat the tar out of you for any minor infringement, before the Judge comes down on you like a sledge.

They also went through something similar with a previous Chinese flu outbreak, SARS 1.

But yet they are not in any sort of lockdown

Nermal · 01-04-2020 08:25PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Read in the paper today that in the UK they expect up to 80% of COVID19 patients put on ventilators could die.

Didn’t think it would be that high.

Sounds too low. In Wuhan it was 99%.

I have often heard the 'death rate skyrockets once ICU is overwhelmed' phrase. I've never seen any cites.

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:26PM

ITman88 wrote: »

April fool joke

You could start a run on the off licences with jokes like that.

scamalert · 01-04-2020 08:26PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Read in the paper today that in the UK they expect up to 80% of COVID19 patients put on ventilators could die.

Didn’t think it would be that high.

the thing that many dont realize if person has to be sedated or put into coma and ventilated means they are ****ed eitherway, as body doesnt fight anymore the virus and compilcations can be managed only so far, so recovery rate drops to single digits, thus i dont get stupid obession here with ventilators and icu beds, when it means most folk on em will not make it, if it comes to that. The British guy and his wife that were treated of the ship in Japan had a good point not to get on one and explained his reasons why, as its a lost cause when it comes to that stage.

bekker · 01-04-2020 08:26PM

ITman88 wrote: »

And not remotely so, schools and business still open.

Report of US journalist in Singapore whose husband was hospitalized with COVID-1(

'Three times a day, every day, the Ministry of Health makes a video call to us on Whats App to verify we are in our home and to record our temperature with the thermometers they issued each of us on Day 1 of our quarantine. Should our temperature reach 99.5 F (37.5C), we are to call a designated number and an ambulance will be sent to collect us. While I’m considered to be a “high infection risk,” I’m grateful to report I’m feeling well. So too is Ben and Devi. '
source
https://www.forbes.com/sites/margiew...isive-be-bold/

timmy_mallet · 01-04-2020 08:27PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I suspect the people who want a year long lockdown are anti-social, misfits, loners etc who don't even like human company or socialising.

Most govts realise that shutting down a society for a year and placing the entire population under house arrest would be catastrophic.

Yes. Brexit-voters, Trump-lovers, cyclist-haters.

kilkenny31 · 01-04-2020 08:27PM

I'm struggling with how people don't see our numbers as positive. We are far from a dire situation we were facing a couple of weeks ago.

RandomName2 · 01-04-2020 08:28PM

Gynoid wrote: »

On the 4 week theme, (sorry it has bugged me today), but 4 weeks ago UK had its first covid death and recorded about 100 infections in total.

1 death and 100 infections? Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. In fact, I'd say the UK has got this licked if their numbers are this low.

threeball · 01-04-2020 08:28PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Israel now asking their population to wear masks in public.

The United States may make it obligatory.

Europe: They don't work (Europe only says this because we don't have the number of masks required for our health services, the real reason the authorities jump up and down when it's mentioned)

If we go this route, health workers won't have masks. 4.8 million people, lets say 3 million need a mask per day, thats 21 million a week. And we're only a mickey mouse country. Scale that up to 300 million people.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-04-2020 08:29PM

Danzy wrote: »

Singapore is a tiny city State where chewing gum is a criminal offence and the police will beat the tar out of you for any minor infringement, before the Judge comes down on you like a sledge.

They also went through something similar with a previous Chinese flu outbreak, SARS 1.

Judging by the behaviour of certain elements of Irish society that might not be a bad thing.

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 08:30PM

bekker wrote: »

Report of US journalist in Singapore whose husband was hospitalized with COVID-1(

'Three times a day, every day, the Ministry of Health makes a video call to us on Whats App to verify we are in our home and to record our temperature with the thermometers they issued each of us on Day 1 of our quarantine. Should our temperature reach 99.5 F (37.5C), we are to call a designated number and an ambulance will be sent to collect us. While I’m considered to be a “high infection risk,” I’m grateful to report I’m feeling well. So too is Ben and Devi. '
source
https://www.forbes.com/sites/margiew...isive-be-bold/

I don’t understand if you are contradicting me?
These people were in quarantine and this behaved like so.
Meanwhile life continued on as normal outside school and business as normal

Ficheall · 01-04-2020 08:31PM

threeball wrote: »

The UK has 25 times our dead per day at 12 times our population and thats not the full numbers either. Their numbers are rising day on day. Ours go up then back down then up and down again. Our rate of growth is not exponential and we're not far away from seeing the effects of our first measures. They are 2 weeks away.

They have had it for a month longer than we have, so it has had much longer to spread.
Their numbers are rising day on day... what? Up, up, down, up, up, down, up, down, up, up, down, up, up, up, down, down, up... versus... up, down, up, up, down, up, down, down, up...?

And why the obsession with just the UK? I realise they're our nearest neighbours, but you're insisting on comparing us to one of the countries that opted for the dumbest approach. Good job us, we're not the complete bottom of the world rankings. Congratulations.

niallo27 · 01-04-2020 08:31PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

But why would they be asking this?

People were saying 'what's the fuss about' when the outbreak was isolated in China. Didn't they understand the capacity for it to spread? People were saying 'why panic?' when there was only one case reported here. Didn't they understand exponential growth? People were saying 'it's not too bad' when there was only 2 deaths reported. Didn't they understand it takes a while for an infection to kill people?

Now we have over 10 people a day being cut down by this, and still you have people say 'what the fcuk is the big deal'. Don't they understand that if we get thousands of new cases each day that the economy collapses anyway?

Saying that only people particularly under threat from this should practice social isolation, and that the rest of the country should allow the virus run rampant, is essentially saying that the virus should be allowed infect everyone.

I love the idea of just isolating those who are vulnerable. No really, the idea is a nice one. However think about it logically. If everyone else has the virus, and has been told to not give a damn about spreading the virus, then the majority of these vulnerable individuals will probably get the virus too. It would be a dishonest way of sacrificing a large section of the population.

Afterwards the same people could say 'Look only 3% of the public died. It's not that big a deal. About 0.6% of the population dies each year, so that's only about 5 years' worth of dead people. In future let's not debate this, and ensure that jobs are prioritized'

It's not all or nothing, it's a relaxation of the lockdown that's in place right now. Nobody would tell them not to give a damn. All these people saying it's a crazy idea, what's your plan long term and dont mention flattening the curve, I'm sick of hearing it. If we are still in lockdown in 3 months what happens.

New Home · 01-04-2020 08:31PM

Covid19 wrote: »

Hi folks. How is everyone holding up?

GET HIM!!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!

WhiteMemento9 · 01-04-2020 08:31PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I'm struggling with how people don't see our numbers as positive. We are far from a dire situation we were facing a couple of weeks ago.

People see the positive and the numbers are great to see. They just don't hold much weight given testing is so all over the place. I am certainly not someone who wants to see the negative in everything. I just want to see some solid data that can have a measure of faith in it.

Spanish Eyes · 01-04-2020 08:31PM

Hope you are all doing ok.

Remember, if a tougher system is introduced, as long as we can get food medicine and grog, we will manage.

I’m usually a positive person but am mentally preparing for further restrictions. If it doesn’t happen that’s a bonus.

It’s mad how quickly this all happened, but to be fair the vast majority are complying and coping as best they can. I’m proud of us.

walshb · 01-04-2020 08:33PM

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 08:34PM

threeball wrote: »

If we go this route, health workers won't have masks. 4.8 million people, lets say 3 million need a mask per day, thats 21 million a week. And we're only a mickey mouse country. Scale that up to 300 million people.

That's fine.

Just tell people that. Instead of telling them "they don't work" just say "it will another problem for our health workers, we don't have enough supply".

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