CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

RandomName2 · 01-04-2020 07:38PM

ITman88 wrote: »

I don’t understand if you are contradicting me?
These people were in quarantine and this behaved like so.
Meanwhile life continued on as normal outside school and business as normal

Differences between Ireland and Sigapore

Ban on travel into Singapore from worst hit Covid-19 regions
Quarantine for anybody coming from a location with Covid-19
Facial masks distributed to everyone in the country
14 day stay-at-home notice for any visitors into the country

We didn't do that here because it wouldn't have been popular, so we allowed the virus to take hold. People coming back from northern Italy were allowed go their merry way. Once the virus has taken hold you have to enact much tougher legislation. We left it late, but not too late. Had we waited any longer we would be like Italy. If we had acted earlier a shutdown may not have been necessary.

Loafing Oaf · 01-04-2020 07:38PM

walshb wrote: »

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

most definitely

threeball · 01-04-2020 07:40PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

People see the positive and the numbers are great to see. They just don't hold much weight given testing is so all over the place. I am certainly not someone who wants to see the negative in everything. I just want to see some solid data that can have a measure of faith in it.

The data is the deaths and the proximity to measures. Deaths will drop 14 to 16 days after measures. The more measures the more the drop. Forget the test numbers, they mean damn all at this stage. They'd be better moving to the antibody test so they could start the ball rolling properly.

threeball · 01-04-2020 07:42PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's fine.

Just tell people that. Instead of telling them "they don't work" just say "it will another problem for our health workers, we don't have enough supply".

You tell people that and its every man for himself. They'll start raiding hospitals to get them. They were stealing hand santizer less than two weeks ago. People are Me Féiners.

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 07:43PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

But why would they be asking this?

People were saying 'what's the fuss about' when the outbreak was isolated in China. Didn't they understand the capacity for it to spread? People were saying 'why panic?' when there was only one case reported here. Didn't they understand exponential growth? People were saying 'it's not too bad' when there was only 2 deaths reported. Didn't they understand it takes a while for an infection to kill people?

Now we have over 10 people a day being cut down by this, and still you have people say 'what the fcuk is the big deal'. Don't they understand that if we get thousands of new cases each day that the economy collapses anyway?

Saying that only people particularly under threat from this should practice social isolation, and that the rest of the country should allow the virus run rampant, is essentially saying that the virus should be allowed infect everyone.

I love the idea of just isolating those who are vulnerable. No really, the idea is a nice one. However think about it logically. If everyone else has the virus, and has been told to not give a damn about spreading the virus, then the majority of these vulnerable individuals will probably get the virus too. It would be a dishonest way of sacrificing a large section of the population.

Afterwards the same people could say 'Look only 3% of the public died. It's not that big a deal. About 0.6% of the population dies each year, so that's only about 5 years' worth of dead people. In future let's not debate this, and ensure that jobs are prioritized'

It’s absolute ridiculous hysteric posts like this that validates the argument against a stricter lockdown.

3% of the public died, a statement with neither fact or anywhere near the case anywhere in the world.

No fact whatsoever in the argument here, just random numbers.

All these posts serve to do is reiterate that the most balanced posters who often quote the facts are the ones who consider all effects of the current situation, social, economic and health

Lavinia · 01-04-2020 07:43PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

People see the positive and the numbers are great to see. They just don't hold much weight given testing is so all over the place. I am certainly not someone who wants to see the negative in everything. I just want to see some solid data that can have a measure of faith in it.

+1

Cork Boy 53 · 01-04-2020 07:44PM

walshb wrote: »

These current restrictions. Do we expect them to be continued past April 12?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Looney1 · 01-04-2020 07:44PM

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

threeball · 01-04-2020 07:45PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Differences between Ireland and Sigapore
Ban on travel into Singapore from worst hit Covid-19 regions

Quarantine for anybody coming from a location with Covid-19

Facial masks distributed to everyone in the country

14 day stay-at-home notice for any visitors into the country

We didn't do that here because it wouldn't have been popular, so we allowed the virus to take hold. People coming back from northern Italy were allowed go their merry way. Once the virus has taken hold you have to enact much tougher legislation. We left it late, but not too late. Had we waited any longer we would be like Italy. If we had acted earlier a shutdown may not have been necessary.

And what then? Stay like a hermit on the edge of Europe, terrified of any one getting onto the island. Do you really think that we can just wait this out until it goes away?

Covid19 · 01-04-2020 07:46PM

spookwoman wrote: »

It's eerie looking at photographs like this, plus witnessing the Navy Set-up in Galway and yet feeling completely removed from the current crisis because of our relatively remote position outside a small town in the West of Ireland. In the town, there is the odd tractor or truck hauling Milk or delivering out to farmers, a few souls walking up the street, but that is about it.

Lavinia · 01-04-2020 07:46PM

Looney1 wrote: »

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

i really envy sweden

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-hasnt-sweden-gone-into-lockdown-over-covid-19-pandemic

Ficheall · 01-04-2020 07:48PM

threeball wrote: »

Well we were never going to be much better than middle of the pack. We don't have the resources. If you think the UK have a month longer to run than us then they truly are fcuked because they implemented measures 2 weeks after us. Like I said, we have had relatively few deaths considering whats going on in the vast majority of europe and we're nearing the beginning of our social distancing measures. Outside the very rich (germany) and the ex iron curtain countries who in Europe is doing better than us? I couldn't give a sh1te how they do it in China or Singapore. You may as well quote the numbers from Mars and look how well they are doing.

I suspect we will do better than many countries, for sure, because we were fortunate to get it later, and implement our lockdown sooner.

However, the relative numbers to date (when the lockdown hasn't fully had a chance to kick in and affect the numbers) are not "middle of the pack", they are bottom of the effing barrel.

That you don't give a sh1te how two countries who have been relatively successful in coping with the virus is concerning. Are you solely interested in the virus as a way to point out how we are doing better than the UK?

I think we've been very lucky, relatively speaking, and that we'll do better than many countries, but this cherry picking of the UK and with their sh1tty, sh1tty approach and saying "Everything's fine, we're doing better than these guys.." is tiresome nonsense.

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 07:49PM

We're not getting out of this anytime soon, are we?

Looking back at other pandemics and it's at least a year. Spanish flu was almost 3 years long.

saabsaab · 01-04-2020 07:49PM

threeball wrote: »

And what then? Stay like a hermit on the edge of Europe, terrified of any one getting onto the island. Do you really think that we can just wait this out until it goes away?

Too late now but that would have been a good plan.

threeball · 01-04-2020 07:50PM

Looney1 wrote: »

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

They know and they have said it but between the lines. Read between the lines of flatten the curve. Look at the graph, is there less volume in the peaked graph than the flattened one? No? Because its the same amount of people over a greater length of time. 2/3's of our population will get CV19, if you're extremely lucky you'll be in the 1/3 that don't.

They don't come out and say it because all our Chicken Littles will lose their minds.

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New Home · 01-04-2020 07:50PM

Covid19 wrote: »

Lol. Personally, I'm amazed that this username was available! The Joy of having a bored 11 year old in the house. "Hey dad, I wonder if..."

Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

TopOfTheHill · 01-04-2020 07:51PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I'm struggling with how people don't see our numbers as positive. We are far from a dire situation we were facing a couple of weeks ago.

I am guessing the numbers projected a few weeks ago, of 15,000 cases by end of March, were based on a lot more tests than the 30,000 that was carried out up to yesterday.

I don't think testing has kicked off properly yet, as there are too many delays in the system and we have not reached the 5,000 tests per day that has been mentioned.

Apologies if this is all mentioned before - just landed on this last page.

wadacrack · 01-04-2020 07:51PM

Very sad

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245433474569457664

threeball · 01-04-2020 07:52PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Too late now but that would have been a good plan.

Terrible plan as we'd be locked out of the world economy for 4 or 5yrs and we would be ripe for an infection at any stage, so whilst everyone else is getting on we'd be in the sh1t on our own.

01-04-2020 07:52PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We're not getting out of this anytime soon, are we?

Looking back at other pandemics and it's at least a year. Spanish flu was almost 3 years long.

Big difference in terms of medical ability between then and now along with other advances. It'll take time yes but no comparison inmo

threeball · 01-04-2020 07:54PM

New Home wrote: »

Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

No he's novel

Looney1 · 01-04-2020 07:54PM

threeball wrote: »

They know and they have said it but between the lines. Read between the lines of flatten the curve. Look at the graph, is there less volume in the peaked graph than the flattened one? No? Because its the same amount of people over a greater length of time. 2/3's of our population will get CV19, if you're extremely lucky you'll be in the 1/3 that don't.

They don't come out and say it because all our Chicken Littles will lose their minds.

So 2/3s of population is roughly 3.7 million. Take a death rate of 2% for argument sake. 74000?????. Is that what we are looking at.????

Lavinia · 01-04-2020 07:55PM

voluntary restrictions would be much appreciated versus these abiding mandatory ones

Quantum Erasure · 01-04-2020 07:55PM

New Home wrote: »

Wait a second... are you a re-reg? :eek:

previously known as SARS

fullstop · 01-04-2020 07:55PM

niallo27 wrote: »

But yet they are not in any sort of lockdown

Their self-isolation (stay at home notice) measures include having a text messsage sent you you several times a day whereby you have to send your GPS location To authorities. You can also get a phone call and you have to send a picture of where you are while on the call. They also can call to your door to check up on you. So while they’re not on actual lockdown, they have very strict control measures for keeping people off the streets, none of which could ever be done here because people would scream blue murder about human rights.

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 07:55PM

Lavinia wrote: »

i really envy sweden

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-hasnt-sweden-gone-into-lockdown-over-covid-19-pandemic

I wouldn't. They have a much higher mortality rate per million than Ireland and their trajectory is frightening by comparison to other Nordic countries.

BarryD2 · 01-04-2020 07:56PM

Looney1 wrote: »

I'm starting to become a bit dispondant about the whole thing. I get the feeling that all governments and the who really don't have a clue how this is going to end and that they are only firefighting and hoping for a miricle.

Working on efficient ways of treating it would be the main priority I'd think. That's surely the short term goal.

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 07:56PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Big difference in terms of medical ability between then and now along with other advances. It'll take time yes but no comparison inmo

So even with medical advances, it's a new virus that nobody knows much about yet.

threeball · 01-04-2020 07:56PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I suspect we will do better than many countries, for sure, because we were fortunate to get it later, and implement our lockdown sooner.

However, the relative numbers to date (when the lockdown hasn't fully had a chance to kick in and affect the numbers) are not "middle of the pack", they are bottom of the effing barrel.

That you don't give a sh1te how two countries who have been relatively successful in coping with the virus is concerning. Are you solely interested in the virus as a way to point out how we are doing better than the UK?

I think we've been very lucky, relatively speaking, and that we'll do better than many countries, but this cherry picking of the UK and with their sh1tty, sh1tty approach and saying "Everything's fine, we're doing better than these guys.." is tiresome nonsense.

I don't care about them because they aren't slightly comparable. Different type of governance, different attitudes to authority, different lifestyle, different health care, past experience with SARS and MERS. Just completely different.

You didn't answer my question of who in Europe is doing better, bar the ones I mentioned who have their own reasons.

stephenjmcd · 01-04-2020 07:56PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We're not getting out of this anytime soon, are we?

Looking back at other pandemics and it's at least a year. Spanish flu was almost 3 years long.

You simply cant compare the two for quite obvious reasons.

Medical care, ability to produce and test vaccine in a large scale when possible etc.

I think although we're in an awful situation, people do need to keep in mind this isn't going to go on forever and a point in time will come when normality per say returns.

Looking back at other pandemics will do you no good. I've cut out checking the latest news every hour or so to once a day and mentally its much better. People need to switch off at times

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