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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #5222
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    rossie1977 wrote: »

    Only the harsher restrictions or 25 times the daily testing can slow this thing down.

    How does more testing slow it down?


  • #5223
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    scamalert wrote: »
    well if you have money you still have same amount in your bank account but if you go shopping for food suddenly the item that was euro its 1.20 now.


    peole think that theres money printed its being trown around when reality is it inflates currency, expect this being global it means everything will rise in cost.

    Yeah, shocking inflation for the last several years with all this QE going on....


    oh wait.


  • #5224
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    There's no end with Italy


  • #5225
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Instead of giving some jobs, killing off others and banning others from ever working then yes. Some people temporarily unemployed is easily the best option.

    Who said anything about killing them, isolation does not equal death.


  • #5226
    davedanon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    niallo27 wrote: »
    If we continue seeing these numbers then no hospitals will not reach capacity. How are things going get stricter, what more do you propose.

    The effect of the latest round of restrictions have yet to kick in, and as yet we have had no dramatic surge.


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  • #5227
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    mariaalice wrote: »
    We are getting on top of it maybe schools will reopen in May and the leaving cert will be on gradual opening of cafes and restaurants then the pubs all normal by the summer. I am an optimist.

    What I don't understand is now that they have identified the clusters why dont they bombard them with support and keep them isolated to stop the spread.

    Sorry but you're living in fantasy land if you believe that. If the restrictions are lifted too soon and there is a spike in deaths and ICU cases then everything will be back to square one. I see no significant easing until the autumn at the earliest.


  • #5228
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,212 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    Where are you getting 12 weeks from? Some people seem to be obsessed with wanting this to go on forever. Bizarre.

    I don't want it to go on forever, far from it. But try to read between the lines. The virus won't be contained in a mere fortnight or even a month. You have to get it down to a rate of basically zero growth before you can even consider opening up everything again. Even a tiny handful of cases can quickly balloon, as we have already seen. And we'll be right back where we started.

    Do you really think the numbers of new cases are going to be down to zero in a month or even six weeks? If you believe that, well, then I have some magic beans to sell you...

    Think about why the government have the unemployment scheme set to run for 12 weeks.


  • #5229
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    growleaves wrote: »
    The emotional investment people seem to have in an indefinite mass lockdown is incredible.

    They ridicule a compromise solution of keeping a fifth of the population (vulnerable/elderly) locked down until a vaccine is found but simultaneously demand as a reasonable course of action that the entire country be kept in semi-permanent lockdown until kingdom come.

    Many of the most virulent (no pun intended) people on this thread will probably eventually be responsible for transmission of the virus since they've already vowed to boycott (germicidal) humid air and sunshine this summer.

    Italy has been battered with this due to an elderly population and already law and order is breaking down despite rising numbers.

    We have posters here craving stricter lockdowns until Christmas at all costs, regardless of infection numbers.

    Anyone that’s disagrees has no compassion and no regard for others


  • #5230
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    growleaves wrote: »
    The emotional investment people seem to have in an indefinite mass lockdown is incredible.

    They ridicule a compromise solution of keeping a fifth of the population (vulnerable/elderly) locked down until a vaccine is found but simultaneously demand as a reasonable course of action that the entire country be kept in semi-permanent lockdown until kingdom come.

    Many of the most virulent (no pun intended) people on this thread will probably eventually be responsible for transmission of the virus since they've already vowed to boycott (germicidal) humid air and sunshine this summer.

    The virus prefers humid air to dry air certainly at the temperature range we get in this country so I'm not sure where you are getting that bit from.


  • #5231
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Arghus wrote: »

    then I have some magic beans to sell you...

    Think about why the government have the unemployment scheme set to run for 12 weeks.

    An irony exists in your sarcasm that has gone over your head


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  • #5232
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,204 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Chinese county says in lockdown after coronavirus cases

    https://news.trust.org/item/20200401151444-l11ny/

    BEIJING, April 1 (Reuters) - A county in central China's Henan province said on Wednesday it had virtually banned all outbound movement of people, following several cases of coronavirus infection in the area.

    But China's fixed...


  • #5233
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  • #5234
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Arghus wrote: »
    I don't want it to go on forever, far from it. But try to read between the lines. The virus won't be contained in a mere fortnight or even a month. You have to get it down to a rate of basically zero growth before you can even consider opening up everything again. Even a tiny handful of cases can quickly balloon, as we have already seen. And we'll be right back where we started.

    Do you really think the numbers of new cases are going to be down to zero in a month or even six weeks? If you believe that, well, then I have some magic beans to sell you...

    Think about why the government have the unemployment scheme set to run for 12 weeks.

    Exactly this. A lot of posters here are still in denial of how serious things are and will be.


  • #5235
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    growleaves wrote: »
    The emotional investment people seem to have in an indefinite mass lockdown is incredible.

    They ridicule a compromise solution of keeping a fifth of the population (vulnerable/elderly) locked down until a vaccine is found but simultaneously demand as a reasonable course of action that the entire country be kept in semi-permanent lockdown until kingdom come.

    Many of the most virulent (no pun intended) people on this thread will probably eventually be responsible for transmission of the virus since they've already vowed to boycott (germicidal) humid air and sunshine this summer.

    I suspect the people who want a year long lockdown are anti-social, misfits, loners etc who don't even like human company or socialising.

    Most govts realise that shutting down a society for a year and placing the entire population under house arrest would be catastrophic.


  • #5236
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    May be a factor here too.

    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1245411393572155396


  • #5237
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    darjeeling wrote: »
    As was pointed out by Jeremy Hunt, former UK Health Secretary, lockdowns are a blunt instrument. We can do a lot better.

    He proposed continuing to try to suppress the epidemic by using mass, fast testing and contact tracing, the idea being presumably to wait it out until a vaccine is available.

    An alternative would be to tolerate it spreading in the low risk population while trying actually to do a proper job of putting a barrier round the vulnerable.
    This is riskier and hasn't worked anywhere so far due to lack of PPE, insufficient training, mixing of infected and uninfected patients / home residents, and lack of testing.
    Consequently there have been at least 21 hospital outbreaks and 24 nursing home outbreaks here, according to HSE stats.
    For it to work would require fast turnaround testing of care staff and patients/home residents for current/past infection, and appropriate PPE and distancing in all care settings - home help, nursing homes, and hospitals.

    Either way, we will also need to keep reconfiguring the health service to increase capacity for treating COVID-19 cases and to isolate them from the rest of patients.

    I think that eventually something like this will be happen. But people need time to work out the logistics of it. It’s really complex. It would not be just covid19 patients who would need to be isolated. So for now, very strict restrictions should be place until it’s figured out how to protect the at-risk. It is a blunt instrument but whilst information is still being gathered, it’s all we have.


  • #5238
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Exactly this. A lot of posters here are still in denial of how serious things are and will be.

    Exactly.
    Some posters are completely dismissive of the economic carnage a lengthy lockdown would cause.

    They carried out studies on in the UK last week about it tho, 6.4% contraction in the economy will cost more lives than covid


  • #5239
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Is it safe to say that our new cases has peaked already? What is the surge going to look like..seems like it will be quiet manageable for now.


  • #5240
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,570 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Strazdas wrote:
    I suspect the people who want a year long lockdown are anti-social, misfits, loners etc who don't even like human company or socialising.
    Your body houses a weird mind if you think this.
    Most people realise that if they don't stay away from others that they are protecting their own lives and the lives of others.
    Strazdas wrote:
    Most govts realise that shutting down a society for a year and placing the entire population under house arrest would be catastrophic.
    People have to realise that if they don't go along with it short term it's going to be a long lockdown.


  • #5241
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,452 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Is it safe to say that our new cases has peaked already? What is the surge going to look like..seems like it will be quiet manageable for now.


    No, you need to know the numbers tested.

    Testing is running into the ground for lack of materials.


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  • #5242
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    ITman88 wrote: »
    Exactly.
    Some posters are completely dismissive of the economic carnage a lengthy lockdown would cause.

    They carried out studies on in the UK last week about it tho, 6.4% contraction in the economy will cost more lives than covid

    Absolute nonsense :rolleyes:


  • #5243
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Is it safe to say that our new cases has peaked already? What is the surge going to look like..seems like it will be quiet manageable for now.

    Experts think new cases will start to drop but deaths will stay high for the next ten days or so.

    New cases is the one to watch......if the numbers start to fall day on day, we're in business.


  • #5244
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,204 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Is it safe to say that our new cases has peaked already? What is the surge going to look like..seems like it will be quiet manageable for now.

    The samples are too small. They are not finding enough cases due to not completing enough tests (as they admitted at the press conference this evening) and thus there is not much to say really.

    That's why the figures are so volatile. 300 cases could be 100 or 800 cases the following day.

    We were told 15,000 tests today would be being done around this point. Even though they changed the guidelines that could still have been the case.

    Today 1,500 tests.

    It's not a big enough data set.


  • #5245
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Exactly this. A lot of posters here are still in denial of how serious things are and will be.

    I would argue, so are the lockdown fans. Take your pick, a functioning society and a world to return or the death rate we have. Either or.


  • #5246
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Chinese county says in lockdown after coronavirus cases

    https://news.trust.org/item/20200401151444-l11ny/




    But China's fixed...


    I thought China was not reporting on cases and that all their news was fake about Covid. Why do you now believe Chinese propaganda?


  • #5247
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,212 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I have to laugh at the naivete of people who say how can they impose stricter restrictions, as if this is as restricted as it gets.

    This is restrictive, unbelievably so. But it's nowhere near what it could be. You could be in for a shock in a week or two. I hope not, but who knows.

    There's plenty of people still out walking everywhere, there isn't really that visable of a presence of cops, you can go as often and as far as you like to the shops and plenty of factories and workplaces that aren't really essential have massaged that interpretation of the rules to stay open.

    Harsher would mean only bare bones essential services staying open - chemists, foodstores, perhaps some banks. All restaurants closing, even for takeaway, remaining places of work except for those in the medical industry being closed. No more 2km walks. Maybe even no more walks outside full stop. And limitations on numbers of visits to foodshop, with only one person per household allowed. And cops and the army really up in your face asking you all about your business. That's a full lock down.


  • #5248
    ITman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ITman88


    shocksy wrote: »
    Absolute nonsense :rolleyes:

    What’s absolute nonsense??

    http://jvalue.co.uk/papers/J-value-assessment-of-combating-Covid-19-Thomas-23.3.2020.pdf


  • #5249
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The samples are too small. They are not finding enough cases due to not completing enough tests (as they admitted at the press conference this evening) and thus there is not much to say really.

    That's why the figures are so volatile. 300 cases could be 100 or 800 cases the following day.

    We were told 15,000 tests today would be being done around this point. Even though they changed the guidelines that could still have been the case.

    Today 1,500 tests.

    It's not a big enough data set.


    You have no idea how many test were done today, i doubt the HSE even know given their record on testing.


  • #5250
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I suspect the people who want a year long lockdown are anti-social, misfits, loners etc who don't even like human company or socialising.

    Most govts realise that shutting down a society for a year and placing the entire population under house arrest would be catastrophic.

    Oh lord

    I enjoy time to myself but the last thing I want to see is the economy being fcuked. But we cannot let our health service get overwhelmed and have people die. How do you not see that? So you can enjoy a drink down at the pub with your mates?


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  • #5251
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    Strazdas wrote: »
    New cases is the one to watch......if the numbers start to fall day on day, we're in business.

    New cases aren't worth a sh!t at the moment because there's not enough testing going on to provide enough relevant figures.

    The only thing worth watching at the moment is figures for death and ICU.


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