CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

BLIZZARD7 · 01-04-2020 05:40PM

ITman88 wrote: »

I was making a point about worse case models being incorrect.

No fake news, you must be a trump supporter.

? How did you come to that conclusion?
He has handled this situation extremely badly, The USA will most likely come out of this worse than every other country.

Strazdas · 01-04-2020 05:41PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Its due to a lack of testing. ICU and deaths more reflective atm

One would expect new cases to be dropping though, given the draconian restrictions - the testing is something of a side issue.

domrush · 01-04-2020 05:42PM

ricero wrote: »

Jasus 126 people in ICU. Unfortunately there will be many more deaths this week.

Gotta keep positive though.

When did they say there is 126 people currently in the icu?

SleetAndSnow · 01-04-2020 05:42PM

I personally am ignoring the new case numbers due to the amount of problems with testing at the minute. I am focusing more so on the ICU admissions and new deaths, which seems to be constant enough.

fullstop · 01-04-2020 05:42PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Lower cases but what's the number worth with the reduction in testing?

Welll, as was mentioned yesterday, they’ve increased the proportion of positive tests from 6% to 15%, so while the testing is less it’s more targeted.

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 05:42PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Not much point in looking at %'s, positively, when the testing system is in disarray/is so behind.

So disappointed then?

cameramonkey · 01-04-2020 05:42PM

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-italy-russia-military-convoy-supplies-useless-pr-stunt-2020-3

unnamed sources said, pity the story is unverifiable.

podgeandrodge · 01-04-2020 05:42PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

New cases is the one not to watch, it is meaningless with the testing regime that we have.

Agree, it presumably meant something until a couple of days ago, but now not worth really paying attention to unfortunately.

ACitizenErased · 01-04-2020 05:42PM

1500 tests a day due to reagent issues worldwide.

wakka12 · 01-04-2020 05:42PM

ITman88 wrote: »

The current deaths from Italy sound insane, but it’s nothing unusual for March in Italy.
62000 deaths in March a number of years ago, when we see the number of deaths from this March we can than accurately see the rise in deaths.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-31/italy-s-mild-flu-season-may-solve-mystery-of-coronavirus-deaths

Do you have a link to a source that says there was ever 62,000 deaths in Italy in one month from flu. Because it doesnt sound true. 500,000 people worlwide die from flu in a whole year, and youre saying more than 10% of them died in one month in just Italy one year.
And it is completely unusual for MArch in Italy, otherwise the country would not be on lockdown

This article seems to assume Italy is the only place experiencing a high mortality rate. Spain, the UK, Benelux, NYC all appear to be on similar trajectory if they are not already there. I dont understand why so many people are trying really hard to still compare this to flu, the numbers coming out of Italy, and much of Europe for that matter, are shocking no matter what way you look at it

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 05:43PM

domrush wrote: »

When did they say there is 126 people currently in the icu?

That came out this morning I believe.

bennyl10 · 01-04-2020 05:43PM

ricero wrote: »

Jasus 126 people in ICU. Unfortunately there will be many more deaths this week.

Gotta keep positive though.

That’s since the beginning.
There is not currently 126 people in ICU

GooglePlus · 01-04-2020 05:43PM

fullstop wrote: »

Welll, as was mentioned yesterday, they’ve increased the proportion of positive tests from 6% to 15%, so while the testing is less it’s more targeted.

It seems they're not getting to everyone who even fits the new criteria, so the numbers aren't a great reflection of how things are still.

domrush · 01-04-2020 05:44PM

is_that_so wrote: »

That came out this morning I believe.

There was 124 people admitted in total as of yesterday, there was not 124 people currently in the ICU. This has been confirmed by the HSE

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 05:44PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

unnamed sources said, pity the story is unverifiable.

Most Italian commentary is.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-04-2020 05:44PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Good.

Experts say the deaths will continue at a very high rate for the next 2 weeks - horrible, but the new cases total is the one to watch.

It really isn`t. The figure to watch is new daily deaths /ICU rates.

podgeandrodge · 01-04-2020 05:44PM

Strazdas wrote: »

One would expect new cases to be dropping though, given the draconian restrictions - the testing is something of a side issue.

fullstop wrote: »

Welll, as was mentioned yesterday, they’ve increased the proportion of positive tests from 6% to 15%, so while the testing is less it’s more targeted.

But isn't the problem that if the tests have dropped dramatically, the new cases must also drop, in which case it is no longer possible to secure a positive view from the drop in percentages of new cases as we can't decipher whether it is the more focussed test, or lack of tests?

SusanC10 · 01-04-2020 05:45PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

That’s since the beginning.
There is not currently 126 people in ICU

Was just going to ask this.
If the 126 are currently in ICU or is it the number admitted since this began.

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 05:45PM

wakka12 wrote: »

This article seems to assume Italy is the only place experiencing a high mortality rate. Spain, the UK, Benelux, NYC all appear to be on similar trajectory if they are not already there. I dont understand why so many people are trying really hard to still compare this to flu, the numbers coming out of Italy, and much of Europe for that matter, are shocking no matter what way you look at it

You’re right the numbers are shocking.

And they were shocking for a number of years now.

It’s comparing death rates to the flu, not the virus itself.

The virus is much more potent than the common flu

domrush · 01-04-2020 05:45PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Was just going to ask this.
If the 126 are currently in ICU or is it the number admitted since this began.

It’s since the beginning. This was confirmed by the HSE

Blanco100 · 01-04-2020 05:45PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

That’s since the beginning.
There is not currently 126 people in ICU

are you sure? I think it means there are currently 126 people in ICU.

as per worldometer its 103 people critical.

ceadaoin. · 01-04-2020 05:46PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

? How did you come to that conclusion?
He has handled this situation extremely badly, The USA will most likely come out of this worse than every other country.

Why is it likely? The US has more ICU beds per person, more ventilators (and the ability to make more) and despite what people who dont live here think, those without insurance WILL be treated.

Each state is pretty much like it's own country and does not need trump to take action.

I dont like Trump either, but some on here are almost wishing that america goes to **** just to prove a point that he is a dick.

Beasty · 01-04-2020 05:46PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Good.

Experts say the deaths will continue at a very high rate for the next 2 weeks - horrible, but the new cases total is the one to watch.

Unfortunately it's meaningless without details of how many negative results there were (ie we need to know how many tests in total reflect these figures). If they are processing less because of limited testing kits it's not necessarily "good"

When you overlay projections that we are still a couple of weeks (possibly more) away from hitting the peak we can, unfortunately, expect further increases in those testing positive. That's also ignoring all of those who have it but do not qualify for testing

podgeandrodge · 01-04-2020 05:46PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

are you sure? I think it means there are currently 126 people in ICU.

they came back and confirmed since the beginning. Don't see the point of a cumulative figure tbh.

Wibbs · 01-04-2020 05:46PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yes in hospitals but only where there is that likely risk, that's all they do say. Otherwise there's no evidence they don't really confer any great protection.

There is evidence for protection. Check this study done regarding SARS. "The use of masks was strongly protective" and "Our finding that mask use lowered the risk for disease supports the community’s use of this strategy." An they're not the only studies into the efficacy of masks within the community. There's a load with regard to influenza and how that even within households with one person infected the risks go down for the rest with mask use.

I don't see their position changing on that at all but by all means get yourself a mask.

I have a few and a pp3 rated respirator, but it's not come to the latter just yet. Though if I had to take public transport or a taxi, I would 100% wear it. The thing is we all need to be wearing something. If we all are then the risk of droplet transmission will drop right off. Never mind that infected people wearing one won't spread nearly as many droplets onto surfaces, which are a major vector for transmission. It's really a no brainer.

Where you are on the WHO, I find the CDC to be shambolically embarrassing.

Agreed 100% and for much the same reasons. Underfunded and slow to act and too sensitive to political influence.

domrush · 01-04-2020 05:47PM

Folks there are not 124 people in the ICU. It is a cumulative figure. It has been done to death in this thread already. See attached for confirmation by HSE

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 05:47PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Why is it likely? The US has more ICU beds per person, more ventilators (and the ability to make more) and despite what people who dont live here think, those without insurance WILL be treated.

Each state is pretty much like it's own country and does not need trump to take action.

The US is a federal state and each state has its own governance.

I can’t figure out why Trump is mentioned so much here, he’s fairly irrelevant

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 05:47PM

Cody montana wrote: »

USA about to hit 200 thousand cases.

World over 900 thousand cases.

Almost a million. It's spreading so fast. If that's the confirmed cases, there's way more out there carrying the virus without knowing.

We can probably be at a million by tomorrow.

frillyleaf · 01-04-2020 05:47PM

Stheno wrote: »

Dr. Ronan may be late

Wont want to make Dr Tony look bad

Where do people watch the HSE briefings?

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