CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

ZX7R · 01-04-2020 03:57PM

is_that_so wrote: »

We all now know about models and worst case scenarios so a large sack of salt with this possible €30bn cost to the economy. That's another Anglo sized bill!

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0401/1127866-governments-covid-19-costs-could-hit-30-billion-kbc/

Anything that comes from KCB bank
You would need more than salt to digest it

Lwaker. · 01-04-2020 03:57PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

UK daily cases similar to our own per capita but death rate is 2.5 times ours.

Fake stats

Depends on level of testing

Stheno · 01-04-2020 03:58PM

The CDC in the US are now reporting that they believe at least 25% of positive cases are asymptomatic

If that's true it would be a huge factor in the spread

Antibody testing cant come quick enough imo

Donald Trump · 01-04-2020 04:01PM

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I've no idea why you're so hostile to me pointing out the truth?

I've no opinion on David Norris one way or the other.

Apologies. I actually meant to respond to the post below yours

Antares35 · 01-04-2020 04:01PM

Probably not of much interest but in the context of all things Covid! I am trying to find a way to do online shopping for my elderly parents who are in lockdown in Spain. I really would love if they could avoid going out at all. I asked a facebook group in the area if they know of any supermarkets doing home deliveries. Two people messaged me and offered to do their shopping for them. I'm already teary and emotional today, and this has just sent me over the edge in the nicest way possible way. Some people really are just amazing, and it can be the small acts of kindness in adversity that get you through

:) This has really made my day...

10000maniacs · 01-04-2020 04:02PM

take everything wrote: »

Facehugger is advocating, whether he knows it or not, for the complete collapse of our health system. A thriving economy with no health system. Don't think he's thought it through tbh

Its difficult for some people.

alan partridge aha · 01-04-2020 04:02PM

Lwaker. wrote: »

Fake stats

Depends on level of testing

We can only go on the figures we have.

BrianD3 · 01-04-2020 04:03PM

ITman88 wrote: »

The current deaths from Italy sound insane, but it’s nothing unusual for March in Italy.
62000 deaths in March a number of years ago, when we see the number of deaths from this March we can than accurately see the rise in deaths.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-31/italy-s-mild-flu-season-may-solve-mystery-of-coronavirus-deaths

Interesting. And this would be compounded if, in addition, the flu season hit Italy much later than usual - at around the time when the world was starting to panic about Covid-19.

March 2020 - Covid-19 starts killing in the cohort who "should" have died of flu in November 2019.

The late flu would be killing from the same cohort in addition to those that were "supposed" to die from flu in March 2020.

The healthcare system is hit with all of this at once, people are panicking, everything is being attributed to Covid-19, it becomes difficult to distinguish who is dying from Covid vs who is dying with it. Hospitals become chaotic due to illness itself and panic, the bodies pile up resulting in more panic.

OscarMIlde · 01-04-2020 04:03PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

If we need more tests done quickly we should send some away if there is capacity somewhere else. Each batch could have known Positive/ negative control samples in them so that we could verify that those samples were correct. We could also send samples that have been split in to an A and B sample and then test our A sample when we have the capacity.This is what they do for drug tests for athletes.

The regime for testing is broken at the moment and we need to face up to that, it is a vital part of the fight against the pandemic. Testing means that we know where to target our resources and it means that we can get vital health care workers back into the system quicker when we know they are negative.

You can't send them away, it's an RNA based virus. The RNA would be degraded and unsuitable for RT-PCR by the time it reached another country.

emo72 · 01-04-2020 04:03PM

i havent posted on these threads. but have 1 question.
how can we know the death rate, if we cant accurately count the people that have the virus?

RandomName2 · 01-04-2020 04:03PM

Wibbs wrote: »

+1. While tragic these outliers are just that outliers, but the press are quick to jump on this tiny minority of tragedies because it gets clicks.

Although the numbers are relatively small, so may not therefore be entirely reliable, the statistical likelihood of someone very young dying of the disease is about 0.2% last I saw. I'd imagine that that would make Covid-19 the single most dangerous thing for young people, even if on an individual basis death would be very unlikely.

If that statistic holds true, then if 100,000 young people (say between the ages of 10 and 22) got infected, you might expect 200 of them to die (provided that the hospitals were able to cope with that number of cases, which they of course wouldn't).

For instance testicular cancer has about 90% survival rate, and only occurs in 1 in 10,000 males. You can therefore say that testicular cancer will virtually never kill anyone. :rolleyes:

chasm · 01-04-2020 04:05PM

rusty cole wrote: »

Can I ask, have any of you got this new Covid-19 leaflet that was imminent last week? In a time where people need facts, where is it? nearly 2 million for a bleeding printer and here we are waiting for a tell all covid info pack?

anyone get one?? or like the tests now, was the idea of them more credible than the tangible items themselves...bloody joke.

also Leo was quick to point out, they'd be delivered FREE OF CHARGE!! very good of him eh.. I mean our Taxes pay for them anyway.

Nothing here yet, no leaflet, no postcards. That said i'm still waiting on my iodine tablets and my free tree

Fr_Dougal · 01-04-2020 04:05PM

emo72 wrote: »

i havent posted on these threads. but have 1 question.
how can we know the death rate, if we cant accurately count the people that have the virus?

We can’t, not until it’s over.

kyote00 · 01-04-2020 04:07PM

They go to the morgue each day, count the bodies and put them in their spreadsheet...

emo72 wrote: »

i havent posted on these threads. but have 1 question.
how can we know the death rate, if we cant accurately count the people that have the virus?

Lwaker. · 01-04-2020 04:07PM

alan partridge aha wrote: »

We can only go on the figures we have.

This again

Rob A. Bank · 01-04-2020 04:09PM

ITman88 wrote: »

That death rate was a prediction from models.

Models that have been incredibly flawed in the past.

https://www.rt.com/uk/484319-coronavirus-swine-flu-hysteria-redux/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

So all of the world's best virologists and infectious-disease epidemiologists have got it wrong so far ? And some randomer on Russian TV has all the answers.

It's all just a 'storm in a teacup' ? :rolleyes:

Why do you keep trying to minimize the lethal effects of this pandemic ?

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Even Trump was convinced by the terrible numbers on the charts behind him yesterday.

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kyote00 · 01-04-2020 04:11PM

I 'think' they use the 'register of elections' to send them out....so if you are not on this or haven;t updated recently then you probably wont get them....

Electronic versions of everything here......
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/partner-resources/

chasm wrote: »

Nothing here yet, no leaflet, no postcards. That said i'm still waiting on my iodine tablets or my free tree

Itssoeasy · 01-04-2020 04:11PM

The CMO tony Holohan is in hospital for non covid 19 tests. Id say it's stress and hopefully he's okay and back doing the great job he's been doing.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 04:12PM

Italy, new deaths down, new cases up

727 fatalities recorded, down from over 800 yesterday.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 04:14PM

Still 5:30 for DOH press conference?

briany · 01-04-2020 04:14PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

So all of the world's best virologists and infectious-disease epidemiologists have got it wrong so far ? And some randomer on Russian TV has all the answers.

It's all just a 'storm in a teacup' ? :rolleyes:

Why do you keep trying to minimize the lethal effects of this pandemic ?

Even Trump was convinced by the terrible numbers on the charts behind him yesterday.

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Ah, now, when has RT not had our best interests at heart, like. It's not as if they're literally the mouthpiece of the Russian government or anything.

DOCARCH · 01-04-2020 04:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Italy, new deaths down, new cases up

727 fatalities recorded, down from over 800 yesterday.

4,782 new cases today. Up around 700 on yesterday.

RandomName2 · 01-04-2020 04:16PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

We can’t, not until it’s over.

What a silly answer. If you don't know now, you definitely won't know when it's over!

We can get an accurate picture in countries that have mass testing. In a country like Ireland we can only get a figure in relation to hospital admissions, but remember it would usually take a couple of weeks from infection to death (so there will always be some lag between number of cases reported and number of deaths).

Stheno · 01-04-2020 04:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Still 5:30 for DOH press conference?

Dr. Ronan may be late

Wont want to make Dr Tony look bad

Kermit.de.frog · 01-04-2020 04:17PM

Italian officials calling the "supplies" from Russia a publicity stunt, up to 80% of it useless.

Which will surprise precisely no one.

darjeeling · 01-04-2020 04:17PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Although the numbers are relatively small, so may not therefore be entirely reliable, the statistical likelihood of someone very young dying of the disease is about 0.2% last I saw. I'd imagine that that would make Covid-19 the single most dangerous thing for young people, even if on an individual basis death would be very unlikely.

South Korean data on case fatality by age is probably giving a fairly accurate picture of how the disease affects different age groups.

Fatality rate in over 80s is currently more than 500 x rate in under 50s.

Age|Cases|Deaths|Crude CFR
0–9|116|0|0.0%
10–19|519|0|0.0%
20–29|2682|0|0.0%
30–39|1027|1|0.1%
40–49|1323|1|0.1%
50–59|1865|10|0.5%
60–69|1245|23|1.8%
70–79|658|46|7.0%
> 80|452|84|18.6%

NB very likely there are more mild / asymptomatic cases not included in the counts, and 44% of cases remain unresolved.

link to data

spookwoman · 01-04-2020 04:18PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1245384015533821953?s=20

ITman88 · 01-04-2020 04:18PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

So all of the world's best virologists and infectious-disease epidemiologists have got it wrong so far ? And some randomer on Russian TV has all the answers.

It's all just a 'storm in a teacup' ? :rolleyes:

Why do you keep trying to minimize the lethal effects of this pandemic ?

Even Trump was convinced by the terrible numbers on the charts behind him yesterday.

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Eh he’s an Irish science journalist based in London.

You left that part out.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/apr/29/swine-flu-mexico-uk-media1

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jul/16/swine-flu-cases-rise-britain

Those links were imbedded in the article

An Ciarraioch · 01-04-2020 04:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Still 5:30 for DOH press conference?

No time announced by either Fergal Bowers or Richard Chambers yet, which suggests 7 would be the earliest.

Mental Mickey · 01-04-2020 04:20PM

Yer one speaking on behalf of the NHS now is Irish.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP