CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

rusty cole wrote: »

ok so weird , how come some have them and others don't. This is all about education too,if they need compliance, then follow through and don't dither!

Got mine a week ago, maybe you are not on An Post's mailing list

Ace2007 wrote: »

Your right, it's not hindsight in that sense, but it's like talking about the next recession, we all know it's coming, but do you know how bad it will be? You can have posters galore saying that we are going to be in the Sh!ts for years, others saying months, others saying whatever, some of them are going to be right, but that doesn't mean their logic for solutions are right does it?

Imagine if Leo came out tonight and announced that all healthcare works must sleep in hotels near their hospitals/nursing homes - and must do this for the next 2 months - no exceptions.

Everyone else must continue with this "lockdown" for the next 2 months at least.

There would be uproar in society - because you can't just lockdown people for large period of time with no end in sight and expect them to be ok with it. Everything has to be done in stages.

I do understand it has to be done in stages and I think overall that the implementation of these stages of restriction have been handled quite well with the exception of travel being unrestricted in and out of northern Italy, travel to and from Cheltenham, and non restricted travel in general from infected areas.

I’m not an export nor do I envy anyone trying to steer our country through this. I do feel it is being handled well with the exception of unrestricted travel. I do feel we could have bought ourselves more time to prepare for this if these simple restrictions occurred.

I’m still not sure of the logic of allowing unrestricted travel from epicentres. I’ve asked a few times and haven’t been given an answer apart from “ it was going to get here anyway”. I know that but I think restrictions would help in terms of slowing it down and contact tracing at the start.

If someone could explain this to me I could try to make sense of it as maybe there is logic or just lack of resources to do so. I’m surprised by lack of resources as there’s empty hotels all across Dublin that may be glad of the business ? Maybe not?

I’m not saying we should have closed airports or cut off flights etc as I know people need to get home. I just don’t understand why we have had no restrictions when a lot of countries are just quarantining new arrivals to manage the spread of infection.

I do also feel we had insight as to what lay ahead so it is different to predications about recessions etc. Italy got caught out first and understandably so. Anyone who looked at what was happening in Wuhan when these cases started to appear in Italy was capable of understanding who serious this was and the potential of spread of this disease.

I feel some people thought this was just a weird disease that would be contained to China similar similar to others but when cases started spreading fast in Italy that could have been a good time to have travel screening or restrictions to and from Ireland.

If is we communicated as to why we haven’t done this it could make sense....

Ok, I’ll give this a go in the catch all thread, aka The Daily Blur


Ive just read this on a UK forum;

“In order to medically claim that someone is recovered you need to retest them to make sure they no longer have the virus”

Is this true for Ireland and elsewhere too?

The number listed under Recovered have always worried me, but maybe I’m misunderstanding them

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I've no idea why you're so hostile to me pointing out the truth?

I've no opinion on David Norris one way or the other.

Apologies. I actually meant to respond to the post below yours

take everything wrote: »

Facehugger is advocating, whether he knows it or not, for the complete collapse of our health system. A thriving economy with no health system. Don't think he's thought it through tbh

Its difficult for some people.

ITman88 wrote: »

The current deaths from Italy sound insane, but it’s nothing unusual for March in Italy.
62000 deaths in March a number of years ago, when we see the number of deaths from this March we can than accurately see the rise in deaths.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-31/italy-s-mild-flu-season-may-solve-mystery-of-coronavirus-deaths

Interesting. And this would be compounded if, in addition, the flu season hit Italy much later than usual - at around the time when the world was starting to panic about Covid-19.

March 2020 - Covid-19 starts killing in the cohort who "should" have died of flu in November 2019.

The late flu would be killing from the same cohort in addition to those that were "supposed" to die from flu in March 2020.

The healthcare system is hit with all of this at once, people are panicking, everything is being attributed to Covid-19, it becomes difficult to distinguish who is dying from Covid vs who is dying with it. Hospitals become chaotic due to illness itself and panic, the bodies pile up resulting in more panic.

i havent posted on these threads. but have 1 question.
how can we know the death rate, if we cant accurately count the people that have the virus?

rusty cole wrote: »

Can I ask, have any of you got this new Covid-19 leaflet that was imminent last week? In a time where people need facts, where is it? nearly 2 million for a bleeding printer and here we are waiting for a tell all covid info pack?

anyone get one?? or like the tests now, was the idea of them more credible than the tangible items themselves...bloody joke.

also Leo was quick to point out, they'd be delivered FREE OF CHARGE!! very good of him eh.. I mean our Taxes pay for them anyway.

Nothing here yet, no leaflet, no postcards. That said i'm still waiting on my iodine tablets and my free tree

They go to the morgue each day, count the bodies and put them in their spreadsheet...

emo72 wrote: »

i havent posted on these threads. but have 1 question.
how can we know the death rate, if we cant accurately count the people that have the virus?

ITman88 wrote: »

That death rate was a prediction from models.

Models that have been incredibly flawed in the past.

https://www.rt.com/uk/484319-coronavirus-swine-flu-hysteria-redux/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

So all of the world's best virologists and infectious-disease epidemiologists have got it wrong so far ? And some randomer on Russian TV has all the answers.

It's all just a 'storm in a teacup' ? :rolleyes:

Why do you keep trying to minimize the lethal effects of this pandemic ?



Even Trump was convinced by the terrible numbers on the charts behind him yesterday.

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The CMO tony Holohan is in hospital for non covid 19 tests. Id say it's stress and hopefully he's okay and back doing the great job he's been doing.

Still 5:30 for DOH press conference?