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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #1322
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    So what are SF doing today to try and form a government?

    Has Mary Lou picked up the phone to FF today? Has she made any attempt to meet FF (or any of the other parties) half-way, or is it all about SF?


  • #1323
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    hmmm wrote: »
    So what are SF doing today to try and form a government?

    Has Mary Lou picked up the phone to FF today? Has she made any attempt to meet FF (or any of the other parties) half-way, or is it all about SF?

    You haven't been paying attention have you?


  • #1324
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    hmmm wrote: »
    So what are SF doing today to try and form a government?

    Has Mary Lou picked up the phone to FF today? Has she made any attempt to meet FF (or any of the other parties) half-way, or is it all about SF?

    why should she do that again? ff and fg made it clear they have no time for democracy and ruled SF out


  • #1325
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    maccored wrote: »
    why should she do that again? ff and fg made it clear they have no time for democracy and ruled SF out

    How have FF and FG made it clear they have no time for democracy exactly?


  • #1326
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    How have FF and FG made it clear they have no time for democracy exactly?

    because they are fit to decide they wont talk to parties that have as much as vote percentage as they themselves have. not really interested in forming a government .. just interested in playing silly arseholes


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  • #1327
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    maccored wrote: »
    why should she do that again? ff and fg made it clear they have no time for democracy and ruled SF out

    She said the day of the election results FF or FG in government would be a disaster.

    So she kind of ruled them out herself.


  • #1328
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    maccored wrote: »
    because they are fit to decide they wont talk to parties that have as much as vote percentage as they themselves have. not really interest in forming a government .. just interested in playing silly arseholes

    Nothing undemocratic about that. If the Conservatives needed 7 seats to form a government and wanted to talk to SF, and SF refused, would that be anti-democratic on the part of SF?

    I don't think it would be. You?


  • #1329
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    She said the day of the election results FF or FG in government would be a disaster.

    So she kind of ruled them out herself.

    ah right. so she didnt ring MM or anything then ...... :rolleyes:


  • #1330
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    Nothing undemocratic about that. If the Conservatives needed 7 seats to form a government and wanted to talk to SF, and SF refused, would that be anti-democratic on the part of SF?

    I don't think it would be. You?


    thats a bit of a silly question considering SF dont recognise WM. FF or FG cant say they are doing everything to form a government but refusing to talk to SF


  • #1331
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    maccored wrote: »
    thats a bit of a silly question considering SF dont recognise WM. FF or FG cant say they are doing everything to form a government but refusing to talk to SF

    Nothing silly about it all. By your logic it's undemocratic. Or is it only undemocratic when FF/FG do it?

    By the by, why would any Irish party want to be in government with a party that doesn't even recognise the parliament of our closest neighbour?


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  • #1332
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    Nothing silly about it all. By your logic it's undemocratic. Or is it only undemocratic when FF/FG do it?

    By the by, why would any Irish party want to be in government with a party that doesn't even recognise the parliament of our closest neighbour?

    Well maybe you can tell a few others on here that SF tried their best and were blocked by FF and FG - since thats what happened. Call it what you want - I call it complete ignorance and recklessness by FF and FG


  • #1333
    [Deleted User]
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    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    Nothing silly about it all. By your logic it's undemocratic. Or is it only undemocratic when FF/FG do it?

    By the by, why would any Irish party want to be in government with a party that doesn't even recognise the parliament of our closest neighbour?

    British SF don't recognize it whereas Irish SF do :D


  • #1334
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    maccored wrote: »
    Well maybe you can tell a few others on here that SF tried their best and were blocked by FF and FG - since thats what happened. Call it what you want - I call it complete ignorance and recklessness by FF and FG

    You inferred that both parties were undemocratic. This is not true. Would it be reckless and ignorance if SF refused to talk to the Conservatives about forming a government?

    Or is it only ignorance and recklessness when such a thing happens to SF?


  • #1335
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    jh79 wrote: »
    British SF don't recognize it whereas Irish SF do :D

    It's farcical. Regardless I thought modern SF did recognise it, just refused to sit in it.


  • #1336
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    You inferred that both parties were undemocratic. This is not true. Would it be reckless and ignorance if SF refused to talk to the Conservatives about forming a government?

    Or is it only ignorance and recklessness when such a thing happens to SF?

    off you go - keep missing the point.


  • #1337
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    It's farcical. Regardless I thought modern SF did recognise it, just refused to sit in it.

    whats farcical about it?


  • #1338
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    maccored wrote: »
    off you go - keep missing the point.

    No point missed. I'm using your "logic". Maybe you now see how silly it is.


  • #1339
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    No point missed. I'm using your "logic". Maybe you now see how silly it is.

    i see you arent arguing the fact that SF have tried to form a government with FF and FF refuses to talk to them.


  • #1340
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    maccored wrote: »
    i see you arent arguing the fact that SF have tried to form a government with FF and FF refuses to talk to them.

    They don't have to. Would you be making the same arguments if SF did likewise with a Conservative government in Britain? I think not.


  • #1341
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    They don't have to. Would you be making the same arguments if SF did likewise with a Conservative government in Britain? I think not.

    what are you talking about?

    Its been stated SF have vanished, havent been trying to set up a govn etc etc. Ive pointed out this untruth to that line of thought.

    meantime you waffle on about the conservatives. You deserve the Whataboutery Award for that one


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  • #1342
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    maccored wrote: »
    i see you arent arguing the fact that SF have tried to form a government with FF and FF refuses to talk to them.
    Oh boo hoo hoo, the big boys won't play with SF?

    What are SF doing to fix this other than complaining? If it's a coalition, does SF realise that they will need to compromise?

    Any attempts to address the issues the other parties have with SF? Any attempts to put forward offers to the other parties?

    Where's this grand coalition of the left, or are they all still refusing to meet each other? How do you expect to be a stable government, when you can't even agree to meet?


  • #1343
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    maccored wrote: »
    what are you talking about?

    Its been stated SF have vanished, havent been trying to set up a govn etc etc. Ive pointed out this untruth to that line of thought.

    meantime you waffle on about the conservatives. You deserve the Whataboutery Award for that one

    No you stated that FF and FG wouldn't talk to SF and as such had "made it clear they have no time for democracy".

    I'm wondering if you apply such logic to SF. It's clear you don't. You engage in the usual SF hypocrisy.


  • #1344
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    hmmm wrote: »
    Oh boo hoo hoo, the big boys won't play with SF?

    What are SF doing to fix this other than complaining? If it's a coalition, does SF realise that they will need to compromise?

    Any attempts to address the issues the other parties have with SF? Any attempts to put forward offers to the other parties?

    Where's this grand coalition of the left, or are they all still refusing to meet each other? How do you expect to be a stable government, when you can't even agree to meet?

    whos boo hooing?

    SF have tried - pretend they havent all you want. FF and FG decided to keep the toys to themselves and people like you whinge SF arent doing anything. Laughable.


  • #1345
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,993 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    The other parties would have weighed in if FF or FG agreed to a deal with SF. There was no point otherwise.

    Of the other parties I think only Labour were the ones coming out with that old "we won't do business with SF" schtick.

    Anyway the deals been done to suit FF primarily, they will be the senior partner, and there's the quid pro quo that FF backed FG in the Confidence and Supply government. So FG owe them one and FG will also take the gamble that as a "party of government" perhaps they can recover some ground while keeping some of their Ministerial gigs etc.

    Actually some parties were saying the complete opposite. PBP (otherwise known as the Irish Monster Raving Looney Party) will only go into coalition with Sinn Fein if they reject the two other main parties. To suggest that the others will come on board if FF and FG do is simply wrong.


  • #1346
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    No you stated that FF and FG wouldn't talk to SF and as such had "made it clear they have no time for democracy".

    I'm wondering if you apply such logic to SF. It's clear you don't. You engage in the usual SF hypocrisy.

    ff and fg clearly dont have time for democracy. they dont care that people want change in the country. if you cant understand the link between what people want and democracy then your problem fella, not mine. Its not just people who voted for SF - its the people who didnt vote for FF and FF


  • #1347
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,993 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    maccored wrote: »
    i see you arent arguing the fact that SF have tried to form a government with FF and FF refuses to talk to them.


    Sinn Fein don't need either of them, there are still around 86 TDs available, why aren't they talking to them?


  • #1348
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    maccored wrote: »
    ff and fg clearly dont have time for democracy. they dont care that people want change in the country. if you cant understand the link between what people want and democracy then your problem fella, not mine. Its not just people who voted for SF - its the people who didnt vote for FF and FF

    Oh my days! More people would be happy with FF and FG in government considering more people voted for those 2 parties then SF. In the run up to the election both parties were quite insistent that they wouldn't go into government with SF. So, if anything, they are holding on to the promise made to the electorate and as such the people who voted for them. Au contraire, it seems you don't quite get the link between what people want and democracy.

    SF didn't solely get the largest number of seats, least enough to solely govern. They have no divine right to be in government. No party has to speak to them if they don't want to. There is nothing undemocratic about that. It seems you have a problem more with our electoral system then anything.


  • #1349
    Randy Archer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Randy Archer


    maccored wrote: »
    i see you arent arguing the fact that SF have tried to form a government with FF and FF refuses to talk to them.

    That’s a funny way of trying to form a government with FF and FG when the very first Statement made by Mary Lou on the Sunday following the count was to specifically exclude FG and FF in their proposed talks with other parties. The problem here was that that statement was made when even a retard could see that was absolutely out of the question numbers wise

    Kinda hard to take her seriously after that . could you trust her to keep her gob shut during real negotiations in Europe ? Amateur stuff

    SF came back to FF with their tail between their legs. The time had long past for SF


  • #1350
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Sinn Fein don't need either of them, there are still around 86 TDs available, why aren't they talking to them?

    are you pretending they havent been?


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  • #1351
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Randy Archer wrote: »
    That’s a funny way of trying to form a government with FF and FG when the very first Statement made by Mary Lou on the Sunday following the count was to specifically exclude FG and FF in their proposed talks with other parties. The problem here was that that statement was made when even a retard could see that was absolutely out of the question numbers wise

    Kinda hard to take her seriously after that . You could trust her to keep her gob shut during real negotiations in Europe

    SF came back to FF with their tail between their legs. The time had long past for SF

    you obviously werent listening. she said people asked for change and didnt want FF or FG - but did that stop her trying to get a government together? No, it didnt. Did it stop people like you talking **** ? no it didnt do that either


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