hmmm wrote: » So what are SF doing today to try and form a government? Has Mary Lou picked up the phone to FF today? Has she made any attempt to meet FF (or any of the other parties) half-way, or is it all about SF?
maccored wrote: » why should she do that again? ff and fg made it clear they have no time for democracy and ruled SF out
CtevenSrowder wrote: » How have FF and FG made it clear they have no time for democracy exactly?
maccored wrote: » because they are fit to decide they wont talk to parties that have as much as vote percentage as they themselves have. not really interest in forming a government .. just interested in playing silly arseholes
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » She said the day of the election results FF or FG in government would be a disaster. So she kind of ruled them out herself.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Nothing undemocratic about that. If the Conservatives needed 7 seats to form a government and wanted to talk to SF, and SF refused, would that be anti-democratic on the part of SF? I don't think it would be. You?
maccored wrote: » thats a bit of a silly question considering SF dont recognise WM. FF or FG cant say they are doing everything to form a government but refusing to talk to SF
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Nothing silly about it all. By your logic it's undemocratic. Or is it only undemocratic when FF/FG do it? By the by, why would any Irish party want to be in government with a party that doesn't even recognise the parliament of our closest neighbour?
maccored wrote: » Well maybe you can tell a few others on here that SF tried their best and were blocked by FF and FG - since thats what happened. Call it what you want - I call it complete ignorance and recklessness by FF and FG
jh79 wrote: » British SF don't recognize it whereas Irish SF do
CtevenSrowder wrote: » You inferred that both parties were undemocratic. This is not true. Would it be reckless and ignorance if SF refused to talk to the Conservatives about forming a government? Or is it only ignorance and recklessness when such a thing happens to SF?
CtevenSrowder wrote: » It's farcical. Regardless I thought modern SF did recognise it, just refused to sit in it.
maccored wrote: » off you go - keep missing the point.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » No point missed. I'm using your "logic". Maybe you now see how silly it is.
maccored wrote: » i see you arent arguing the fact that SF have tried to form a government with FF and FF refuses to talk to them.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » They don't have to. Would you be making the same arguments if SF did likewise with a Conservative government in Britain? I think not.
maccored wrote: » what are you talking about? Its been stated SF have vanished, havent been trying to set up a govn etc etc. Ive pointed out this untruth to that line of thought. meantime you waffle on about the conservatives. You deserve the Whataboutery Award for that one
hmmm wrote: » Oh boo hoo hoo, the big boys won't play with SF? What are SF doing to fix this other than complaining? If it's a coalition, does SF realise that they will need to compromise? Any attempts to address the issues the other parties have with SF? Any attempts to put forward offers to the other parties? Where's this grand coalition of the left, or are they all still refusing to meet each other? How do you expect to be a stable government, when you can't even agree to meet?
TheCitizen wrote: » The other parties would have weighed in if FF or FG agreed to a deal with SF. There was no point otherwise. Of the other parties I think only Labour were the ones coming out with that old "we won't do business with SF" schtick. Anyway the deals been done to suit FF primarily, they will be the senior partner, and there's the quid pro quo that FF backed FG in the Confidence and Supply government. So FG owe them one and FG will also take the gamble that as a "party of government" perhaps they can recover some ground while keeping some of their Ministerial gigs etc.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » No you stated that FF and FG wouldn't talk to SF and as such had "made it clear they have no time for democracy". I'm wondering if you apply such logic to SF. It's clear you don't. You engage in the usual SF hypocrisy.
maccored wrote: » ff and fg clearly dont have time for democracy. they dont care that people want change in the country. if you cant understand the link between what people want and democracy then your problem fella, not mine. Its not just people who voted for SF - its the people who didnt vote for FF and FF
blanch152 wrote: » Sinn Fein don't need either of them, there are still around 86 TDs available, why aren't they talking to them?
Randy Archer wrote: » That’s a funny way of trying to form a government with FF and FG when the very first Statement made by Mary Lou on the Sunday following the count was to specifically exclude FG and FF in their proposed talks with other parties. The problem here was that that statement was made when even a retard could see that was absolutely out of the question numbers wise Kinda hard to take her seriously after that . You could trust her to keep her gob shut during real negotiations in Europe SF came back to FF with their tail between their legs. The time had long past for SF
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