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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #4412
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    poppers wrote: »
    So its ok for you to be out but everyone should stay indoors

    We are all allowed out.


  • #4413
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,529 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    This is why I have been highlighting it as the number in ICU will be less, possibly much less than the numbers quoted.

    They should be reporting the current figure but they are not.

    Could it be the advice from their pr people is to be debliberately vague about whether it is the current total or the total from the start of the outbreak?


  • #4414
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    poppers wrote: »
    So its ok for you to be out but everyone else should stay indoors

    2km allowed for exercise, have you not heard?


  • #4415
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yeah he did during the press conference.

    RTE reporting hes in for tests, expected to be released tomorrow and deputy cmo Ronan Glynn will head up this evenings press conference.

    Non covid related for the CMO they also say.

    Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.


  • #4416
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,409 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    easypazz wrote: »
    We are all allowed out.

    No, Over 70's and vulnerable people are asked not to go out


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  • #4417
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Akrasia wrote: »
    That has to be the most irresponsible article I have seen in a very long time. Its trying to spread a rumour that will cause panic buying of alcohol and could cause crowding in shops that could end up costing lives.

    Utterly shameful

    Have to agree, when tensions are running high, this was highly irresponsible.


  • #4418
    poppers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭poppers


    cnocbui wrote: »
    2km allowed for exercise, have you not heard?

    i have but why highlight that they met people when they were out as if it was an issue,


  • #4419
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I really don't think it would have.

    Let's take Italy as an example.

    If Irish skiers (which I think is where a lot of infections here have come from) in Italy were denied flights home they would have traveled him via another route, such as Austria, France or Switzerland. They would not have simply stayed in Italy.

    These people probably went to Italy, caught the virus, and came home before even the first death in Italy.

    Trumps stopped European flights with little impact.

    The virus was already in the community here before any concerns about Italy or Spain were apparant.

    According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the first case in the USA was Jan 20th. There was no action by Trump at the time, except to say it was a hoax.


  • #4420
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,038 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.

    I never understood the need to drag him around to every media commitment apart from the daily briefing. The man has enough on his plate as it is.


  • #4421
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Lest no forget he was on the late late with tubs Friday before last, he's been bouncing around so much it wouldn't shock me.

    Well last night he was signaling towards more of the chest area.
    They've said it's not covid related anyway.

    To be fair theres been alot of people around tubs, that night you mentioned for example they had figures from HSE, Gov and members of the ambulance service.


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  • #4422
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Everyone is assuming that India and countries like it are going to be in big trouble. That not necessarily so. Many of the countries with poorly developed health systems tend to have much younger populations. It could be that they will be hit less hard than the more developed countries!

    I don't see that. Yes the population is younger on average but because of 1.3 billion people, or whatever it is, the sheer numbers of people likely to get it seriously and die are just huge - exceeding in number the entire populations of entire countries. The dead would number in the millions.


  • #4423
    GooglePlus
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    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Well I live on lower Baggot St and the first part of your post is a complete lie.

    It is quieter here than the quietest Sunday during the day, and practically deserted after business hours.

    Bear in mind that this is one of the busiest streets in the entire country during the working week, it is all about relativity in terms of analysing the effect of the restrictions.

    It is not a lie, I was there between 1-2pm yesterday and the place was bustling, I couldn't get over it.

    I was in the queue for Tesco, who in fairness to them are keeping strict distancing measures in place, and I had people walking by me every few seconds to the point that I felt uneasy.

    The bunching of Deliveroo drivers and people collecting orders outside the likes of Boojum and that didn't help matters either.

    It was far from a quiet Sunday anyway.


  • #4424
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    nacho libre wrote: »
    Could it be the advice from their pr people is to be debliberately vague about whether it is the current total or the total from the start of the outbreak?

    If their PR people are advising them to be deliberately vague then they should be sacked for incompetence.


  • #4425
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    castletownman wrote: »
    I never understood the need to drag him around to every media commitment apart from the daily briefing. The man has enough on his plate as it is.

    Likewise, even after the daily press conference rte tend to have him on the 9 news and he basically repeats himself, I dont know what else they expect him to say.

    Then by half 7 or 8 the next morning hes on morning Ireland. Between all of that and the work he has to do in the office and on the committees I dont know where he finds the time to sleep.

    He must be exhausted at this stage


  • #4426
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

    Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

    Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

    And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

    Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.


    How many test are they doing at the moment do you know?


  • #4427
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
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    SuperTortoise wrote: »
    I think when people see close to 1000 people die per day as we see in Italy and Spain it might re-focus their thoughts.


    That's another positive aspect of testing as much as possible, when we see a couple of hundred positive tests per day people might think sure we're grand , nothing to worry about, when in fact the true number is probably closer to 10 times that ammount.

    Are you talking about deaths in Ireland hitting 1000 a day? Not a hope. So much fear mongering on here :rolleyes:


  • #4428
    owlbethere
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    bmcc10 wrote: »
    There has been a huge shift here past few days. Coincidently it's all after the cancellation of the Olympics.

    Were they trying to underplay the situation there so the Olympics would go ahead.


  • #4429
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    How many test are they doing at the moment do you know?

    Doesn't the test capacity limit of 1500 get mentioned about every 4 pages?


  • #4430
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    castletownman wrote: »
    I never understood the need to drag him around to every media commitment apart from the daily briefing. The man has enough on his plate as it is.
    I think it because a certain cohort of people will not listen to Leo and Simon, as they are the government and not the expert. By having a independent expert - more people may listen.

    He talks very clearly and is excellent in what he does, but i do feel there is no need for him to be at every briefing.


  • #4431
    owlbethere
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Dr.Tony Holohan is in hospital for tests after feeling unwell although it is being stated that it is not thought to be directly related to the virus.

    I hope he feels better soon.


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  • #4432
    [Deleted User]
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Why do you think this is ? Incompetence or something else?
    nacho libre wrote: »
    Could it be the advice from their pr people is to be debliberately vague about whether it is the current total or the total from the start of the outbreak?

    I don't think it's incompetence its definitely intentional. I also dont think the HSE are vague they have been consistent in all their reports, its journalists etc and even doctors who are saying they are current (quoting the hse accumulated figure).

    I dont know why, possibly to make things look worse than they are to keep people on track with the measures in place thats pure speculation though. They may have reasons we are not aware of.


  • #4433
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    Are you talking about deaths in Ireland hitting 1000 a day? Not a hope. So much fear mongering on here :rolleyes:

    Not a hope because of the measures we have put in place? or just not have a hope.

    What's the highest death recorded per day we'll get to do you think?


  • #4434
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    A bit off topic but relevant..


    The current crisis will promote a move to a universalbasic payment. Millions are now looking for state money who would never have thought it possible a few weeks ago. If such a payment system was already in place this would not be necessary and social welfare systems would not be needed.


  • #4435
    Busi_Girl08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Interesting how, in ther midst of all of this and all the retail restrictions...Aldi are selling garden furniture. https://www.aldi.ie/c/specialbuys/dates/2020-04-02?sort=popular&q=%3Apopular%3AtransactionalStatus%3Atransactional%3AtransactionalStatus%3Anontransactional%3AEvent%3AGarden&page=1


  • #4436
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    I don’t know how anyone in Ireland can smoke these days with the price of the fcukers.14 euro for 20 smokes.70 fcukin cent a piece.
    That’s an expensive hobby and the same ones complaining they have no money then.
    God be with the days when you got your 10 fageens for 2 pound or even before it a single and a match for 10pence

    They should be at least €100 a box now. Especially considering there is an alternative and some people will argue with the next bit I'm going to write. There is a better alternative - vaping.

    This crisis could be used to wipe out cigarettes entirely from the population so long as they don't target them little vape juice bottles of 10ml the same way as cigarettes.


  • #4437
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    saabsaab wrote: »
    A bit off topic but relevant..


    The current crisis will promote a move to a universalbasic payment. Millions are now looking for state money who would never have thought it possible a few weeks ago. If such a payment system was already in place this would not be necessary and social welfare systems would not be needed.

    It could even be used as a test period for UBI. Since it is basically happening anyway.


  • #4438
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ace2007 wrote:
    I think it because a certain cohort of people will not listen to Leo and Simon, as they are the government and not the expert. By having a independent expert - more people may listen.
    It's no surprise that people wouldn't listen to those two clowns.
    They are responsible for things being as bad as they are here. We knew before this virus arrived on our doorstep just how bad it was but instead of getting ahead of the curve and shutting everything down they just did nothing.
    I'm not alone amongst ordinary who started taking precautions and locked ourselves down over four weeks ago. Those idiots only brought it to a serious level five days ago.


  • #4439
    wadacrack
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    This is a very sad

    https://twitter.com/gazzahead/status/1245040219033911296


  • #4440
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    When all this blows over I could definitely see the need for something like a human NCT being needed.


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  • #4441
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Pheonix10 wrote: »
    Are you talking about deaths in Ireland hitting 1000 a day? Not a hope. So much fear mongering on here :rolleyes:

    The average death rate in Ireland in ‘normal’ times is between 80 and 90 per day depending on the time of year. I think some people are under the impression that if it wasn’t for Covid there would hardly be any deaths at all.
    To put it in context, if we were unfortunate enough to reach the level they have in Italy, we would have about 40 per day from Covid. Hopefully that won’t happen.


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