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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #4022
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,346 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    fin12 wrote: »
    There are face shields for sale on pigsback.com.

    https://www.pigsback.com/en-ie/offer/438437/cndb
    tikkahunter wrote: »
    These seem to very popular in China in the effected areas. Going forward I really think masks should be compulsory for the next few months if your out in public

    So is eating bats. Anyone who wears one of them and isn't a beekeeper is clearly a nutter.

    The surgical masks I can understand but those are mental :pac:


  • #4023
    tikkahunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    tikkahunter wrote: »
    My sister told me today that a fella was laughing at her wearing one going into a shop yesterday. Some people are just retarded .[/QUOTE

    This is exactly why the public need to see the Taoiseach or Tanaiste or Cillian, simon, Tony Holohan...Ryan Tubridy, Claire Byrne...someone, ANYONE wearing one!

    Every time you wear one, you just might be saving a life.

    Claire Byrne said last night that had she not been tested, she would never have known she had the virus. (Clinically, she would not have made the criteria for a Test!)She hasn't been wearing a mask - so who knows who she has passed it on to?

    Meanwhile it's down to the likes of your sister, me and a handful of others in every town and village.

    Your sister is right. Wearing a mask might save a life. Many of us won't even know we have the virus.
    In fairness i live beside Dublin city center and the majority that i see walking down my street are now wearing them or at least have a scarf up and gloves , people are slowly coming to terms that this is what you need to do but as you say it needs to be pushed.


  • #4024
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,783 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    MipMap wrote: »
    Wiki


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland#Testing


    30213 as of yesterday

    I’m sorry but Wikipedia is it a not a reliable source. Sure you could have put those numbers in yourself.


  • #4025
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I’m sorry but Wikipedia is it a not a reliable source. Sure you could have put those numbers in yourself.


    The official numbers have been widely published and linked to on this forum. The numbers are correct. you are being deliberately disingenuous.


  • #4026
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    marno21 wrote: »
    The case numbers aren't really meaningful anymore, due to the large volume of transmission within the community, and the as of yet unknown rate of asymptomatic infection.

    The positive rate for tests would indicate that Ireland is doing quite well on testing. Last week it was >90% of tests were returning negative, which shows that most tests are wasted on people who aren't infected, which is a massive waste of resources.

    At this stage, with widespread community transmission but the country on lockdown, the only rates that matter are the hospital admission count, the ICU admission count and the death count. Note that I say count here rather than rate, the true rate is unknown and trying to come up with one is guesswork.

    It is now impossible to know the rates of anything, and the number of both tests and positive cases is now meaningless such is the rate of transmission in the community. Until such time as widespread, accurate, cheap antibody testing becomes available to determine the amount who are immunte, it's anybody's guess and even then it'll be an estimate.


    You are absolutely right. The CMO in the Uk today said he estimates that there are about 20 times as many cases in the community for each confirmed case.
    Yet people are obsessed with the new confirmed cases each day. Even more than the number of deaths!

    It's not their fault. Every day this is what the briefings focus on. Every day our Journalists make the point with Holohan and the others than the numbers infected in the community are much, much, more than this but this seems to be lost. All people seem to want to know is the number.
    Only a fool would believe that we only have 3,200 people infected with this virus in Ireland right now yet they hang on this nmber like their lives depended on it.
    Given we have isolated all these people why is the virus spreading?
    It's ridiculous. Anyone with a clue has to know that there are at least 20-30 times as many people in the community infected. -THEREFORE the statistics are meaningless.
    I'm Sorry, but even Holohan and his colleagues are telling us this and people are not listening to them! We only seem to want to hear the number.


    The only number that matters is the number of the DEAD!

    Again Do you think the Spanish or the Italians give a sh1t about how many got tested positive today?


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  • #4027
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,188 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Report on New York efforts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtvNc9vhx94


  • #4028
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,346 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Its a bigly disaster, yuuuge!


  • #4029
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,788 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    re: the video.

    The main contributor says she is seeing many people in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and a lot of them are not making it.

    Yet we are told the median age of death in Ireland is 84.

    And I think the average age in most other countries is very high too.
    This link would say that what she is saying is incorrect?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/


  • #4030
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    MipMap wrote: »
    You are absolutely right. The CMO in the Uk today said he estimates that there are about 20 times as many cases in the community for each confirmed case.
    Yet people are obsessed with the new confirmed cases each day. Even more than the number of deaths!

    It's not their fault. Every day this is what the briefings focus on. Every day our Journalists make the point with Holohan and the others than the numbers infected in the community are much, much, more than this but this seems to be lost. All people seem to want to know is the number.
    Only a fool would believe that we only have 3,200 people infected with this virus in Ireland right now yet they hang on this nmber like their lives depended on it.
    Given we have isolated all these people why is the virus spreading?
    It's ridiculous. Anyone with a clue has to know that there are at least 20-30 times as many people in the community infected. -THEREFORE the statistics are meaningless.
    I'm Sorry, but even Holohan and his colleagues are telling us this and people are not listening to them! We only seem to want to hear the number.


    The only number that matters is the number of the DEAD!

    Again Do you think the Spanish or the Italians give a sh1t about how many got tested positive today?

    I still think that wrong numbers are valuable, as long as they are consistent in their incorrectness. They can can indicate a trend.

    But of course they are wrong, as long as we can filter out the signal from the noise.

    Even death rates are not reliable either, we see that from today's reports from England.


  • #4031
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Report on New York efforts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtvNc9vhx94

    Quoting so people do not miss it. 5 minutes long. Especially useful for any complacent younger people. From New York the story seems to be that this is far from an old person's disease. Doctors have not figured out why yet, maybe different strains.


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  • #4032
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    NIMAN wrote: »
    re: the video.

    The main contributor says she is seeing many people in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and a lot of them are not making it.

    Yet we are told the median age of death in Ireland is 84.

    And I think the average age in most other countries is very high too.
    This link would say that what she is saying is incorrect?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

    Mostly though she is saying that people of all ages are getting very very sick. Naturally when people get seriously sick a younger age will be an advantage for struggling through.


  • #4033
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    I've been trying to prepare for this virus as much as I can... If I end up in hospital with breathing difficulties and probably can't talk, would it be a good idea to have a little notebook with my details in it, like name, address, number, medications for the doctors.

    Also, I believe they are looking for volunteers for clinical trials. Where do I sign up for clinical trials? If I'm going to be bad in a hospital, I'll take anything even it's part of a clinical trial.


  • #4034
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    My sister told me today that a fella was laughing at her wearing one going into a shop yesterday. Some people are just retarded .

    Saw a guy last week with a mask and snorkelling goggles. I did laugh but he was sensible.


  • #4035
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    China pivots to tackle 'silent' Covid-19 carriers as US says a quarter of cases may have no symptoms

    As a result, the CDC was now “aggressively reviewing” its recommendations on use of face masks, potentially extending their use based on the assumption that more people in “high transmission zones” were already infected but without symptoms.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/china-pivots-to-tackle-silent-covid-19-carriers-as-us-says-a-quarter-of-cases-may-have-no-symptoms


  • #4036
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    The spread in the US is terrifying.

    I wonder if its a more contagious strain or just American citizen ignorance


  • #4037
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Vicxas wrote: »
    The spread in the US is terrifying.

    I wonder if its a more contagious strain or just American citizen ignorance

    It's more a case of a total lack of leadership and a political group completely incapable of dealing with a disaster like this.

    Government by trolling has proved ineffective at disaster management.


  • #4038
    Talisman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,682 ✭✭✭Talisman


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Simon Coveney said last night on Claire Byrne that they were at 5,000 a day.

    RTE reported early last week at UCD lab that there were then testing 2,000 a day.

    So why isn't it true?

    Can you provide evidence to back up your numbers?

    Can you explain to me why the test rate per million in the UK iower than ours 370 vs 655 but UK's death rate per million is 26 whilst our is 14?
    Netherlands has similar test rate to us at 735 but their death rate is much higher at 61.

    Source.

    Could that not be a sign that the measures imposed her might actually be working?
    I just don't get why there are people constantly on here trying to convince everyone that Ireland is doing a bad job on this?
    Do you honestly think that Simon Coveney knows more about the level of lab testing in the country than Cillian de Gascun?

    Rather than repeat what I've previously posted I will simply link a previous post here: 30-03-2020, 00:27.

    Cillian de Gascun is the head of the NVRL, he would know how many tests were being done in the labs. He has said that ~900 a day is the capacity of that laboratory. He also said on another occasion that there were around 10 other labs around the country that could perform the tests but they wouldn't have anywhere near the same capacity.

    We know for certain from what we were told in the press briefing last night that the line in the Irish Times article on March 29 does not refer to lab tests.
    More than 33,000 people have been tested since March 16th.

    On March 17, we were informed that the number of tests carried out up until then was 6,636. That was the last time a real number was presented to the public/media before last night's briefing where Dr. Cillian de Gascun revealed there had been 30,213 lab tests carried out to date.

    30,213 (March 31) - 6,636 (March 17) = 23,577 (14 days)

    ~1685 lab tests per day, not "around 2,000" or 5,000 a day.


  • #4039
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Vicxas wrote: »
    The spread in the US is terrifying.

    I wonder if its a more contagious strain or just American citizen ignorance

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  • #4040
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Retired Doctor on radio 4 uk calling for government to enable people to die at home as comfortably as possible as they wouldn't be eligible for ventilator. He will not go to hospital as is very old. Horrific thought but he was fairly convinced this will be a reality there. Advised people to write wishes down so family can act on them.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1245184337970180096?s=20

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000gzth


  • #4041
    Grab All Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Firstly I’m in a relationship and happy. Don’t turn this into after hours post as it’s actually a very serious issue. 4 girls I have on the Facebook who live in places I guess between Limerick Nenagh and Thurles have hit on me since Monday evening. 3 of them were just people who randomly added me over the years and I’ve never actually talked to them before other than see one or two posts a years on my feed.

    Would you like to lose a family member(S)/friends because of desperate horny people like that hooking up? One of them even had the audacity to nitpick people not adhering to social distancing the other day. One of them is a traveller girl whose skin looks like those old orange school bags.


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  • #4042
    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    Grab All Association wrote: »
    Firstly I’m in a relationship and happy. Don’t turn this into after hours post as it’s actually a very serious issue. 4 girls I have on the Facebook who live in places I guess between Limerick Nenagh and Thurles have hit on me since Monday evening. 3 of them were just people who randomly added me over the years and I’ve never actually talked to them before other than see one or two posts a years on my feed.

    Would you like to lose a family member(S)/friends because of desperate horny people like that hooking up? One of them even had the audacity to nitpick people not adhering to social distancing the other day. One of them is a traveller girl whose skin looks like those old orange school bags.

    How many cans did you drink tonight?


  • #4043
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    voluntary wrote: »
    It may be time for everyone to mask up
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is having second thoughts about masks.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/health/cdc-masks-coronavirus.html

    Yes HSE guy wasn’t as dogmatic on this topic last night


  • #4044
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/china-pivots-to-tackle-silent-covid-19-carriers-as-us-says-a-quarter-of-cases-may-have-no-symptoms

    Here's a link to NY times article saying similar.


    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1245161313262874630?s=20


  • #4045
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I've been trying to prepare for this virus as much as I can... If I end up in hospital with breathing difficulties and probably can't talk, would it be a good idea to have a little notebook with my details in it, like name, address, number, medications for the doctors.

    Also, I believe they are looking for volunteers for clinical trials. Where do I sign up for clinical trials? If I'm going to be bad in a hospital, I'll take anything even it's part of a clinical trial.

    I’m beginning to suspect there’s something peculiar about your username
    Have you had that chat with your housemate yet?


  • #4046
    regedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭regedit


    ZX7R wrote: »
    How long can a person be kept on respiratory Imachine in ireland,is it till the person is brain Dead

    Keeping a person on a respirator isn't a problem. People who lose the ability to independently breathe, can be on them for years. When brain death (brain stem death) ensues, ventilation is withdrawn


  • #4047
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1245171793679319040?s=20


  • #4048
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,756 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1245171793679319040?s=20

    Probably looking for a share bounce and some cashouts


  • #4049
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    marno21 wrote: »
    The case numbers aren't really meaningful anymore, due to the large volume of transmission within the community, and the as of yet unknown rate of asymptomatic infection.

    The positive rate for tests would indicate that Ireland is doing quite well on testing. Last week it was >90% of tests were returning negative, which shows that most tests are wasted on people who aren't infected, which is a massive waste of resources.

    At this stage, with widespread community transmission but the country on lockdown, the only rates that matter are the hospital admission count, the ICU admission count and the death count. Note that I say count here rather than rate, the true rate is unknown and trying to come up with one is guesswork.

    It is now impossible to know the rates of anything, and the number of both tests and positive cases is now meaningless such is the rate of transmission in the community. Until such time as widespread, accurate, cheap antibody testing becomes available to determine the amount who are immunte, it's anybody's guess and even then it'll be an estimate.

    Agreed the daily figures released are meaningless at this stage because of community transmission
    The mathematician’s amongst us will be able to give a reasonably good estimate based on the mortality rates and ICU admissions.
    I will throw a caveat in though regarding the ICU figures as I’m starting to wonder if the Nursing Home deaths are occurring in ICU’s or if as I suspect they are not being moved to ICU
    I’m starting to think that Leo’s 15,000 figure by the end of the month was based on sound figures with the phased in version of lockdown figured in


  • #4050
    Macdarack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭Macdarack


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Saw a guy last week with a mask and snorkelling goggles. I did laugh but he was sensible.

    Having a mask and goggles on together doesn't sound sensible.


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  • #4051
    Macdarack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭Macdarack


    MadYaker wrote: »
    So is eating bats. Anyone who wears one of them and isn't a beekeeper is clearly a nutter.

    The surgical masks I can understand but those are mental :pac:

    I would class any beekeeper a nutter if he wore that, around his bees.


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