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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #3992
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    https://twitter.com/Mrnngdew/status/1245154317218316288?s=20


  • #3993
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    What is their numbers as in cases and deaths currently?
    South Korea first case JAN 19 total case 9786 deaths per million 3
    Singapore first case JAN 22 total case 926 deaths per million 0.5
    Ireland first case FEB 28 total case 3235 deaths per million 14
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries


  • #3994
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    The poorer people over there where wearing the 5lt water bottles over their heads with the ends cut out , no joke .

    Ya I saw photos of that, some people in the Uk doing that aswell.


  • #3995
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,197 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Quarantine - you know you're infected
    Isolate - you don't know so playing safe

    And is the period here 14 days isolation then 14 days quarantine?
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  • #3996
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    spookwoman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Mrnngdew/status/1245154317218316288?s=20

    That's all we need now for that to blow up


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  • #3997
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Quarantine - you know you're infected
    Isolate - you don't know so playing safe
    Other way around.

    Quarantine - you might have it, confined in situ while waiting to see
    Isolation - you definitely have it, keep away from everybody


  • #3998
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    And is the period here 14 days isolation then 14 days quarantine?

    Uh?
    If you have no symptoms after 14 days you should be fine


  • #3999
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    These seem to very popular in China in the effected areas. Going forward I really think masks should be compulsory for the next few months if your out in public

    I've been wearing one for weeks now. Still the only one in the village.

    We have a shortage and until we have a surplus, people will be left in two minds as to whether they help or not.

    Fact is, they help. Once we have loads, people will be told they are great.

    The people who (for now) have them, need to see Leo and Simon and Tony and Cillian wearing them - they need to lead the way.

    They need to make it 'okay' to publicly wear a mask/scarf/whatever you have.


  • #4000
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    voluntary wrote: »
    $1000 per life maybe?

    Trillion not billion.


  • #4001
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    So for everyone that thinks our government are doing such a **** job , please tell which country you would rather be in right now ?

    New Zealand, Australia, Singapore.


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  • #4002
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    MipMap wrote: »
    If you want to be "fully protected" put a condom over your head. Or better still, stay away from everyone for a long long time.



    We have two eyes, two nostrils one (larger) mouth.


    We don't tend to inhale water particles through our eyes.


    It's always about probabilities-minimizing the risks.
    virus enters the body through the mucous membranes (wet parts).


  • #4003
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    bekker wrote: »
    Other way around.

    Quarantine - you might have it, confined in situ while waiting to see
    Isolation - you definitely have it, keep away from everybody

    Yeah you're right


  • #4004
    tikkahunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    I've been wearing one for weeks now. Still the only one in the village.

    We have a shortage and until we have a surplus, people will be left in two minds as to whether they help or not.

    Fact is, they help. One we have loads, people will be told they are great.

    The people who (for now) have them, need to see Leo and Simon and Tony and Cillian wearing them - they need to lead the way.

    They need to make it 'okay' to publicly wear a mask/scarf/whatever you have.
    My sister told me today that a fella was laughing at her wearing one going into a shop yesterday. Some people are just retarded .


  • #4005
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,193 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/01/coronavirus-live-news-us-deaths-could-reach-240000-un-secretary-general-crisis-worst-since-second-world-war-us-uk-europe-latest-updates
    The captain of a US Navy aircraft carrier facing a growing outbreak of the coronavirus is asking for permission to isolate the bulk of his roughly 5,000 crew members on shore, which would take the warship out of duty in an effort to save lives, AP reports.

    In a memo to Navy leaders, the captain of the USS Theodore Roosevelt said the spread of the disease is ongoing and accelerating, and said that removing all but 10% of the crew is a necessary risk in order to stop the spread of the virus. The ship is docked in Guam.


  • #4006
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,197 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Uh?
    If you have no symptoms after 14 days you should be fine

    What if no test after 14 days done or waiting a result but still unwell?

    I am just puzzled how some are tested, resulted, isolated and out free after not even a week or two yet more still isolating

    Apologies if my late night ramblings are confusing more, maybe bed time, night all ;) stay safe take care wash wash wash hands ;)
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  • #4007
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    On the numbers, assuming an estimated mortality rate of 1% I've seen in places and given it takes some time (2 weeks?) from infection to death would that not suggest cases were closer to 7000 2 weeks ago? Or am I making a massive blunder here?


  • #4008
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    South Korea first case JAN 19 total case 9786 deaths per million 3
    Singapore first case JAN 22 total case 926 deaths per million 0.5
    Ireland first case FEB 28 total case 3235 deaths per million 14
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    This is an idiotic reading of these figures.

    If you want some insight try comparing SK and US, they had their first cases on the same day and SK has way, way higher population density.

    We have to accept that we more than likely already have at least 10,000 cases and more than likely 50,000. Many of these will never see the light of day. A financial freeport like Singapore will do anything to protect their global image and it's highly unlikely to be anywhere near true. SK have conducted enormous testing and isolation instructions since late in Jan.


  • #4009
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    On the numbers, assuming an estimated mortality rate of 1% I've seen in places and given it takes some time (2 weeks?) from infection to death would that not suggest cases were closer to 7000 2 weeks ago? Or am I making a massive blunder here?

    Not at all.


  • #4010
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    What the CMO did not say is when there could be a relaxation of the current measures. I know that he cannot be prescriptive about this but what everyone needs to to have is some indication of just how long they have to live in this twilight zone of an existence. If the message continues to be ‘as long as it takes’, there will come a point where the current acquiescence will begin to fracture.
    They keep talking about ‘flattening the curve’. We all get that but we need to have some indication of when some sort of normality can return to their lives. Is it a month, or two months or six months.....or what?
    We also need to know what the priorities are for returning to normal. Is it opening the schools, the parks, the restaurants, the pubs, sports events....or what?
    I’m sure there is some sort of thinking or planning is going on, but FFS just share it with us so that we can have something to look forward to.
    Don’t treat the people like mushrooms, (keep them in the dark and feed them sh1t).

    It's not that they're not doing the planning, it's just that nobody can know at this point when that will be. People to err on the side of expecting that this is the new reality for at least a year, probably two, maybe more. The world has changed and taking incalculable risks just so people can go have a pint is a bizarre move in the face of a life and death situation.


  • #4011
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    I've been wearing one for weeks now. Still the only one in the village.

    We have a shortage and until we have a surplus, people will be left in two minds as to whether they help or not.
    Fact is, they help. One we have loads, people will be told they are great.
    The people who (for now) have them, need to see Leo and Simon and Tony and Cillian wearing them - they need to lead the way.
    They need to make it 'okay' to publicly wear a mask/scarf/whatever you have.
    Agree with all of this. But this is the problem:
    Masks need to be replaced regularly -in hospitals they throw them away every hour or so. With 5 million people that's a lot of masks.
    We need the masks for the healthcare professionals. There is a shortage.
    Bad Actors might take the opportunity to wear them to hide their identities.
    Telling People Masks will help will make the run on toilet rolls look like a kids party.
    Four good reasons not to recommend wearing of masks to the General Public.

    Telling people they don't work is easier than creating a demand for something that cannot be supplied.

    I just wish this Govt would treat us like adults (except, of course,they see the toilet roll type **** and they know they can't).

    In countries were masks are part of their way of life before Covid 19 they can afford to take a different stance.

    If you have a mask-wear it. Don't expect it to give you 100%. protection.
    Still stay away from people, still wash your hands etc., It does help somewhat, no one knows how much.


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  • #4012
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    2ndcoming wrote: »
    This is an idiotic reading of these figures.

    If you want some insight try comparing SK and US, they had their first cases on the same day and SK has way, way higher population density.

    We have to accept that we more than likely already have at least 10,000 cases and more than likely 50,000. Many of these will never see the light of day. A financial freeport like Singapore will do anything to protect their global image and it's highly unlikely to be anywhere near true. SK have conducted enormous testing and isolation instructions since late in Jan.


    I know, when you don't like the figures just say they are not true or they are not to be compared. Death rate is a pretty good rate to look at and we are way above the other two.


  • #4013
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,197 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    undertaker fan 88 wrote: »
    The test centre in pairc ui caoimh was closed again today. Are they testing at all there like

    Imagine the numbers when testing centres open and the back log starts being cut down :(
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  • #4014
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I know, when you don't like the figures just say they are not true or they are not to be compared. Death rate is a pretty good rate to look at and we are way above the other two.

    No, there are a lot of variables with death rate. The median age of dead in Ireland is 84.

    My boss is a highly qualified scientist and he laughed at me when I said back in Jan there wouldn't be a high death rate in sub Saharan Africa because they don't have old people but it is more than likely going to be proved true. An 84 year old Ugandan is like a 100 year old Irish person.

    We are likely, sadly, to lose very large numbers over the age of 80. Every day we don't stir can reduce that figure. Give it a month, and pray for the carers.


  • #4015
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Imagine the numbers when testing centres open and the back log starts being cut down :(


    The more we test the more case we find. The more we self isolate,contact trace and the more we break the transmission..
    Not having higher detection rates because we are not doing any detection is hiding our heads in the sand.
    The more new cases we find the better.
    The less that die each day - the better.
    We need to focus on the death rate, that is not dependent on anything like the no of people tested-it depends on people's ability to survive.
    17 died today.
    Do you think the Italians or the Spanish care about the numbers tested?


  • #4016
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    tikkahunter wrote: »
    My sister told me today that a fella was laughing at her wearing one going into a shop yesterday. Some people are just retarded .[/QUOTE

    This is exactly why the public need to see the Taoiseach or Tanaiste or Cillian, simon, Tony Holohan...Ryan Tubridy, Claire Byrne...someone, ANYONE wearing one!

    Every time you wear one, you just might be saving a life.

    Claire Byrne said last night that had she not been tested, she would never have known she had the virus. (Clinically, she would not have made the criteria for a Test!)She hasn't been wearing a mask - so who knows who she has passed it on to?

    Meanwhile it's down to the likes of your sister, me and a handful of others in every town and village.

    Your sister is right. Wearing a mask might save a life. Many of us won't even know we have the virus.


  • #4017
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    2ndcoming wrote: »
    No, there are a lot of variables with death rate. The median age of dead in Ireland is 84.

    My boss is a highly qualified scientist and he laughed at me when I said back in Jan there wouldn't be a high death rate in sub Saharan Africa because they don't have old people but it is more than likely going to be proved true. An 84 year old Ugandan is like a 100 year old Irish person.

    We are likely, sadly, to lose very large numbers over the age of 80. Every day we don't stir can reduce that figure. Give it a month, and pray for the carers.


    So you think our reaction has been better than South Korean in terms of testing and tracing?


  • #4018
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    ThePopehimself wrote: »
    tikkahunter wrote: »
    My sister told me today that a fella was laughing at her wearing one going into a shop yesterday. Some people are just retarded .[/QUOTE

    This is exactly why the public need to see the Taoiseach or Tanaiste or Cillian, simon, Tony Holohan...Ryan Tubridy, Claire Byrne...someone, ANYONE wearing one!

    Every time you wear one, you just might be saving a life.

    Claire Byrne said last night that had she not been tested, she would never have known she had the virus. (Clinically, she would not have made the criteria for a Test!)She hasn't been wearing a mask - so who knows who she has passed it on to?

    Meanwhile it's down to the likes of your sister, me and a handful of others in every town and village.

    Your sister is right. Wearing a mask might save a life. Many of us won't even know we have the virus.


    A bucket load of Chinese Doctors did a tele conference for all the Irish Experts quizzed them on how they handled the virus. It was televised-we all saw it.
    All the Chinese wore masks. Not one of the Irish guys had the guts to
    tell them wearing them was stupid.
    People are dying because of this, I have no doubt.


  • #4019
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    2ndcoming wrote: »
    This is an idiotic reading of these figures.

    If you want some insight try comparing SK and US, they had their first cases on the same day and SK has way, way higher population density.

    We have to accept that we more than likely already have at least 10,000 cases and more than likely 50,000. Many of these will never see the light of day. A financial freeport like Singapore will do anything to protect their global image and it's highly unlikely to be anywhere near true. SK have conducted enormous testing and isolation instructions since late in Jan.
    Maybe this is why we should respect the Singaporean figures.

    'As I write this now, I am on day 10 of my strict 14 day quarantine in Singapore after my husband was hospitalized in a Singaporean hospital for COVID-19. So I have not stepped foot outside my apartment since I received a call from the Singapore Ministry of Health.

    Where are you?, they asked

    In my home, I replied.

    Do not leave your home. No one is to leave your home.

    And so here I have stayed, with my son Ben, a senior at Singapore American School, and our live-in Indonesian “helper” Devi.

    Three times a day, every day, the Ministry of Health makes a video call to us on Whats App to verify we are in our home and to record our temperature with the thermometers they issued each of us on Day 1 of our quarantine. Should our temperature reach 99.5 F (37.5C), we are to call a designated number and an ambulance will be sent to collect us. While I’m considered to be a “high infection risk,” I’m grateful to report I’m feeling well. So too is Ben and Devi. '
    source
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/margiewarrell/2020/03/30/singapore-sets-gold-standard-against-covid-19-be-ready-be-decisive-be-bold/

    That's how you do self-isolation.


  • #4020
    tikkahunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭tikkahunter


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Imagine the numbers when testing centres open and the back log starts being cut down :(
    Hopefully the lockdown for the 2 weeks will help with that , i can see that being extended .Cases will rise but hopefully they will just be mild and not require Hospital care.


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  • #4021
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Imagine the numbers when testing centres open and the back log starts being cut down :(

    The case numbers aren't really meaningful anymore, due to the large volume of transmission within the community, and the as of yet unknown rate of asymptomatic infection.

    The positive rate for tests would indicate that Ireland is doing quite well on testing. Last week it was >90% of tests were returning negative, which shows that most tests are wasted on people who aren't infected, which is a massive waste of resources.

    At this stage, with widespread community transmission but the country on lockdown, the only rates that matter are the hospital admission count, the ICU admission count and the death count. Note that I say count here rather than rate, the true rate is unknown and trying to come up with one is guesswork.

    It is now impossible to know the rates of anything, and the number of both tests and positive cases is now meaningless such is the rate of transmission in the community. Until such time as widespread, accurate, cheap antibody testing becomes available to determine the amount who are immunte, it's anybody's guess and even then it'll be an estimate.


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