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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #1232
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    280 million is paid out to people for a "Christmas Bonus", personally I would spend that money on HSE.

    This is just part of the 21.2 billion on Social Welfare.

    Thing like unlimited children allowance, actually increasing for people to fire out more needs to be reviewed. The people that can afford to have children dont, the people that cant fire them out and then expect someone else to pay and look after them......

    :pac: Holy fúck the cat's out of the bag now.


  • #1233
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    I already did what's your point. That doesn't change my view that a tax increase on earnings over and above 150k will disincentivise working as the other poster erroneously claimed.


    Why would people go out, work hard and then have the majority taken off them to hand out to a group that have no intention of ever working or ever assisting the population


    At some stage everyone needs to start to chip in, it is the same people that are hit all the time.....every single time.


  • #1234
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You willing to raise lower earners income tax from 12% to 37%?

    I'm not btw.

    Where did I say that? I said no such thing but again that doesn't stop you claiming I did. Typical stuff.


  • #1235
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Why should higher paid people pay more? Because they can afford it best Einstein.

    Are you lot being serious here :pac:

    Ah right so we'll tax them what? 80% on their incomes? Want to return to the 80's do you? And if not, why not. Sure they can afford it can't they.

    You were harping on about Sweden, and now are running away from answering if lower earners should pay more for the running of things like they do in Sweden.

    Aswell, any answers to these questions (in regards to paying for Slainte care):

    They could tax lower earners to the levels seen in Sweden to fund it. Why do you think they haven't done that? What do you think would happen if they proposed to do that?


  • #1236
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Where did I say that? I said no such thing but again that doesn't stop you claiming I did. Typical stuff.

    He isn't. Did you miss the question mark at the end of the sentence?


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  • #1237
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Where did I say that? I said no such thing but again that doesn't stop you claiming I did. Typical stuff.

    i'm asking you a question.


  • #1238
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Why would people go out, work hard and then have the majority taken off them to hand out to a group that have no intention of ever working or ever assisting the population


    At some stage everyone needs to start to chip in, it is the same people that are hit all the time.....every single time.

    :pac: Are you claiming if a modest increase was applied to earnings over and above 150k that folk in that bracket wouldn't go out and work anymore?

    You could get everyone to chip in for something like Slainte Care because properly implemented it would improve things for everyone across the board was what I suggested earlier but you've all been jumping down my neck so it may have been overlooked.

    My suggestion was that those who have more would chip in more perhaps, a mad thought around here obviously :pac:


  • #1239
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    :pac: Are you claiming if a modest increase was applied to earnings over and above 150k that folk in that bracket wouldn't go out and work anymore?

    You could get everyone to chip in for something like Slainte Care because properly implemented it would improve things for everyone across the board was what I suggested earlier but you've all been jumping down my neck so it may have been overlooked.

    My suggestion was that those who have more would chip in more perhaps, a mad thought around here obviously :pac:


    What about a modest increase to people below 30k?



    Let them chip in for something like Slainte care?



    You suggestion is like every other one, its always someone elses problem. Why wouldnt every "chip" in?


  • #1240
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    i'm asking you a question.

    No is the answer. But as I said in the other post if something like Slainte Care was to be implemented properly it would benefit everyone and something like that everyone could be asked to buy into and chip in. Again those who have more would be asked to chip in more.


  • #1241
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    What about a modest increase to people below 30k?



    Let them chip in for something like Slainte care?



    You suggestion is like every other one, its always someone elses problem. Why wouldnt every "chip" in?

    Well actually that is just what I suggested, have a read of that post you quoted again.


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  • #1242
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Based on your lack of ability to deal with a TV license inspector, what exactly would you do to the Garda if the powers are not temporary?

    How would you ‘deal with a tv license inspector’
    It was an inspector. It was a threat of search warrant.

    And I don’t see how this is relevant to what we’re discussing here now?


  • #1243
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    blanch152 wrote: »
    You put that statement in bold in inverted commas which means you are quoting it as a direct quotation from the relevant Garda, so I assume you can provide a link to that exact statement.

    If not, it you are paraphrasing, then it is another disingenuous post about the Gardai.

    I didn’t bold it at all. And it was the deputy chief GC if I remember correctly. Only this week.


  • #1244
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    :pac: Are you claiming if a modest increase was applied to earnings over and above 150k that folk in that bracket wouldn't go out and work anymore?

    You could get everyone to chip in for something like Slainte Care because properly implemented it would improve things for everyone across the board was what I suggested earlier but you've all been jumping down my neck so it may have been overlooked.

    My suggestion was that those who have more would chip in more perhaps, a mad thought around here obviously :pac:

    Those that have more already chip in more... That's what a progressive tax system is.


  • #1245
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    blanch152 wrote: »
    You put that statement in bold in inverted commas which means you are quoting it as a direct quotation from the relevant Garda, so I assume you can provide a link to that exact statement.

    If not, it you are paraphrasing, then it is another disingenuous post about the Gardai.



    I didn’t bold it. I got the guy wrong. You can apologise now

    Former GRA spokesperson, current Garda review editor John O'Keeffe, "we're hearing a little bit now on social media about human rights, we need to just park human rights for the moment+we need to talk about human lives"

    Here’s the fvkin clip

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21742165


  • #1246
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    No is the answer. But as I said in the other post if something like Slainte Care was to be implemented properly it would benefit everyone and something like that everyone could be asked to buy into and chip in. Again those who have more would be asked to chip in more.

    What would you see as a fair tax increase so?

    I'm proud to be at the very beginning of your middle-aged drift to the right.


  • #1247
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    CtevenSrowder wrote: »
    Those that have more already chip in more... That's what a progressive tax system is.

    Yeah. So impose a Slainte Care levy and then implement the health service reforms, get everyone to buy into it and do it. Easier said than done but could be done if the political will was there. With FG remaining in government though it doesn't fill me with confidence. FG after all made an absolute mess of trying to bring in water charges for example.

    Personally I wasn't against the idea of water charges but they tried to impose it in a hamfisted way and ended up with water meters installed outside thousands of houses that never were operative. A complete and utter waste of money. Can FG be trusted to implement an ambitious scheme like Slainte Care and get everyone to buy into it? I doubt it and Micheál Martin said the similar things re FG pre election but he changed tack when the results were finalised.


  • #1248
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Well actually that is just what I suggested, have a read of that post you quoted again.


    I apologize, missed that


  • #1249
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What would you see as a fair tax increase so?

    I'm proud to be at the very beginning of your middle-aged drift to the right.

    I haven't a clue mate, I'm not a Revenue commissioner :pac:

    A modest increase but tiered incrementally the higher up the ladder it goes I'd suggest. They've imposed levys on people's earnings before, isn't there a levy because of Sean Quinn's insurance company going bust? A levy for Slainte Care, but get everyone to buy into it including the health service staff before you attempt to bring it in could work. Still need the political will though.


  • #1250
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Yeah. So impose a Slainte Care levy and then implement the health service reforms, get everyone to buy into it and do it. Easier said than done but could be done if the political will was there. With FG remaining in government though it doesn't fill me with confidence. FG after all made an absolute mess of trying to bring in water charges for example.

    Personally I wasn't against the idea of water charges but they tried to impose it in a hamfisted way and ended up with water meters installed outside thousands of houses that never were operative. A complete and utter waste of money. Can FG be trusted to implement an ambitious scheme like Slainte Care and get everyone to buy into it? I doubt it and Micheál Martin said the similar things re FG pre election but he changed tack when the results were finalised.

    If they try and increase taxes on the lower earners it will be the likes of Sinn Feon that will have the knives out, and will bang on about having the rich pay for it. I'd trust FG more than any of the other parties, though trusting any of them with such a big project is difficult.

    Other than that, I mostly agree with the rest of your post.


  • #1251
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    I haven't a clue mate, I'm not a Revenue commissioner :pac:

    A modest increase but tiered incrementally the higher up the ladder it goes I'd suggest. They've imposed levys on people's earnings before, isn't there a levy because of Sean Quinn's insurance company going bust? A levy for Slainte Care, but get everyone to buy into it including the health service staff before you attempt to bring it in could work. Still need the political will though.

    Interesting proposal, the only problem is no left wing party will support it so no right wing party can propose it.

    We have a left wing party who oppose property taxes ffs.


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  • #1252
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    We’re staging photos now and getting RTÉ to write fluff pieces to show the human that’s really inside the cold lifeless exterior of the hand dryer impersonator

    Someone actually had to write this piece

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1245036277512142852?s=21


  • #1253
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,076 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Who ever dragged the DUP to sign the joint agreement today should be congratulated. It has been ridiculous here on the border for the last few weeks.


  • #1254
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Runaways wrote: »
    We’re staging photos now and getting RTÉ to write fluff pieces to show the human that’s really inside the cold lifeless exterior of the hand dryer impersonator

    Someone actually had to write this piece

    You don’t seem to understand what Twitter is for?

    It’s exactly the place for mindless dribble like the RTÉ article


  • #1255
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Who ever dragged the DUP to sign the joint agreement today should be congratulated. It has been ridiculous here on the border for the last few weeks.

    Why what’s the problem on the border?


  • #1256
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You don’t seem to understand what Twitter is for?

    It’s exactly the place for mindless dribble like the RTÉ article

    It’s also where news gets posted which you seem fit to call waffle and when shown to you and given a link of the Garda actually saying what he said you breeze on to your next deflect hoping nobody will notice.

    Ps I’ll say it again. Twitter is your leaders platform of choice to communicate.

    What does that say to you and all of us of the regard he holds us in? By your own logic, it’s not very high regard at all.


  • #1257
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,076 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Why what’s the problem on the border?

    Loads of people crossing from further south to shop mainly, and no where near the same safeguards and restrictions in the north. Practically life as normal in Lisnaskea today.


  • #1258
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Runaways wrote: »
    It’s also where news gets posted which you seem fit to call waffle and when shown to you and given a link of the Garda actually saying what he said you breeze on to your next deflect hoping nobody will notice.

    Ps I’ll say it again. Twitter is your leaders platform of choice to communicate.

    What does that say to you and all of us of the regard he holds us in? By your own logic, it’s not very high regard at all.

    Twitter is my leaders choice? Who is my leader?


  • #1259
    Nitrogan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Nitrogan


    Runaways wrote: »
    We’re staging photos now


    That's how photos are usually taken unless you're some pervert or a spy or just like taking blurred photos of the back of people's heads. :rolleyes:


  • #1260
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,927 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Loads of people crossing from further south to shop mainly, and no where near the same safeguards and restrictions in the north. Practically life as normal in Lisnaskea today.

    You can’t stop people been stupid. I heard the first weekend after lockdown people actually went from Dublin to north to go to the pub

    ‘Skea hardly the busy metropolis, hardly 10 people in it at the best of times :-)


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  • #1261
    Runaways
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Runaways


    Wow. Even Irish central going for him

    Leo Varadkar and Fine Gael are using COVID-19 to cling to power

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fine-gael-covid19.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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