CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

rusty cole wrote: »

and of course clinicians and nurses under pressure are less likely to make mistakes?? wtf!! he's an awful twat. He never heard the phrase Haste makes waste.. Sure you're talking about a guy who pushes emergency legislation ad hoc and when it suits...no surprises there.

You mean during a global pandemic?

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Checking temperature would detect the 'open' cases, those who are already shedding virus all over the place. Stopping them at the airport would have saved a lot of heartache and clusters here later.

If you looked closer at Nextstrain you would find that the Netherlands strain of virus infected Northern Italy, and from there back to Ireland.

Plenty of people have tested positive for Covid 19 without having a fever, or only having very brief spikes of high temperature when they were obviously ill. Countries with mass testing policies have found a huge proportion of asymptomatic carriers. A number of our first cases in Ireland were from an asymptomatic cluster who returned from North Italy. While many other people had high temperatures for other reasons. Temperature reading at airports may have slowed things down but not be a whole lot. We really should have announced a quarantine period for entering the country. As should the whole of the EU once it was obvious what was happening in Italy. That way we could have controlled our own domestic situations much better and been in a position to support Italy now.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Untrue. Ignore the union propaganda. Average nurse pay in Ireland is mid €50ks per year. Many ICU nurses will be on more than even that. At least, that's what the HSE say, and they pay the bill so should know. Also, the HSE pays for their 'advanced training' - they don't pay a penny themselves normally, and indeed, get fully paid time off work to attend the courses.

Hold on there.

The details of nurses pay is in the public domain.

Anyone can train as a nurse and earn the basic wage plus overtime and allowances.

The union works for their members which is normal.

Why do you put inverted commas on advanced training?

Training is part of the job in most sectors.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Lombardy (the worst hit Italian region) abandoned community testing a few weeks back. They may have gone back to testing since I dont know.

I'm just suspicious that if testing was abandoned in one Italian region maybe it was abandoned in others.

So if I see numbers go down I ask what's going on rather than yay numbers are down.

Fair enough, I haven't seen stats regarding testing numbers...time will tell...I prefer to be positive Ciaran.

What are British police doing that is over reaching, ? I havnt heard anything about it

Wibbs wrote: »

Our Guards are very different to the British police in philosophy and approach. I'm not surprised to see the over reach happening there.

There is a serious sense of 'we are better then the UK' during this crisis and its not true. Plenty of cops over reach here in Ireland . Scroll through youtube videos or videos on what's app of cops acting terribly here too. Maybe not during this pandemic because people are obiding by the measures. We have to stop the brit bashing becuse it prevents us from seeing our own failures.

otnomart wrote: »

You see: when people started heading out on skiing trips, it was not yet known that the German outbreak had not been fully contained yet.
It was not yet known either that someone had died by Covid in Valencia as early on 13 February, and that the virus was already circulating in Europe.
I mentioned earlier that Italy stopped all flights to/from China on 31 January, and immediately started checking temperatures at Arrivals from all other International flights, to catch anyone with a fever coming indirectly via London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Paris. Still, the virus arrived to Italy (via Germany).
With hindsight, Ireland should have also started checking temperatures at Arrivals from all other International flights. US included (COVID19 has been circulating in the US since 15 January , but undetected due to lack of testing https://bedford.io/blog/ncov-cryptic-transmission/ )

But, even checking temperatures, that would not have prevented someone flying to Ireland from the US, UK, Netherlands, Germany with no fever but still carrying the virus.
That happened anyway, as Nextstrain clearly shows that the first cases in Ireland got the virus from contacts with the UK and the Netherlands (not Italy).

Duh.

Again the nextstrain simply shows the Clade of the virus. Northern Italy aka skiing destinations there acted as mixing pot of there the UK Netherlands Ireland etc.

Our first known clusters originated from Northern Italy. Its not rocket science to understand that limiting flights from those hot spots and similar would have delayed transmission here once it was known the number of cases coming from there.

You know flattening the curve and all that jazz ...

Just Saying wrote: »

That's a 20% rate of positives which would seem to indicate cases are only tested there on a higher set of specifications than the "any 2" standard here.

Since 27 March, Italy is testing also people with only one symptom.
Source: https://www.adnkronos.com/salute/2020/03/27/coronavirus-fontana-tamponi-anche-per-solo-sintomo_v7bjqIRrywCHG9yAYGYNZJ.html

Amirani wrote: »

Visiting to nursing homes was ended when schools were closed 2 and a half weeks ago. The clusters have only been developing in past few days. Given the average time to hospitalisation for older patients is 5/6 days, then it's overwhelmingly likely that the infections took place well after the ban on visitors.

I'd go as far as saying it's essentially impossible these current infections happened 3 weeks ago and are only leading to hospitalisation now. It's much more likely it has been caused by nursing home staff, supply deliveries etc.

Sorry have to correct that....We are only hearing about the Nursing Home clusters in the last few days. The important word here is hearing (unofficially)..:.prior to this we were only being told of cases in East West North South information. Independent broke the 14 infected case in a Nursing Homes in East on 22 March these cases tested positive well before that and symptoms would have surfaced even earlier .... so the 3 week window from March 6 is convenient camouflaging and the 3 week window does not apply to HSE run Nursing Homes and also not forgetting residential units

Who knows how the staff or nursing home residents picked up the virus but closing the homes to visitors was the right call by the nursing homes and ignoring the CMO response was correct but,unfortunately HSE run nursing homes couldn’t ignore it and had to allow visitors back in . It was only after this that HSE Paul Reid appeared on the airwaves and returned individual autonomy of hospitals to their their individual CEO

So of the 22 nursing home clusters how many are HSE run?

Instead of admonishing the Nursing Homes for acting unilaterally why didn’t the CMO/ dept of health /Government use the opportunity to go further and cocoon them? Or had Leo’s spin Doctor not coined that phrase yet?

Unfortunately for cocooning to work in Nursing Homes/ residential settings the staff also need to be cocooned so vigilance in infection control and proper PPE need to be in place in all these settings. Is this the case?

rusty cole wrote: »

A lot of rags today reporting stories whilst trying to tie them into the covid-19 category. Same for a well know one in the UK, when it's obvious a young girl died of a heart attack or sudden adult death syndrome (or at least it has more of the hallmarks than it's more famous killer de jour, COVID-19).

absolute fear mongers... if we're not uninfomed we're misinformed. not all media before some on line journos here start telling me to grab my foil hat...

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/irish-family-hit-with-double-tragedy-as-husband-and-wife-tragically-die-on-same-day/ar-BB11VO7c?ocid=spartandhp

The fear mongering is completely out of order! For example the way that poor woman who was clearly dying was exploited on Claire Byrne last night.
I don't care if her family gave permission and if she was in hospital and I'm certain she was why did doctors allow this? I always thought there was something called etiquette. I watched it for about 20 seconds and decided I didn't want to be part of this exploitation.

Numbers in ICU up to 103 here

kilkenny31 wrote: »

There is a serious sense of 'we are better then the UK' during this crisis and its not true. Plenty of cops over reach here in Ireland . Scroll through youtube videos or videos on what's app of cops acting terribly here too. Maybe not during this pandemic because people are obiding by the measures. We have to stop the brit bashing becuse it prevents us from seeing our own failures.

People seem to be obsessed with comparing ourselves to the UK. I'm far more interested in how other countries in our Union are doing, Denmark, Finland, Slovakia, Croatia are all similar in size and are following ECDC guidelines and single EU procurement. Objectively we could learn more from what has and has not worked for similar sized countries with a similar socio economic background.

irishlad. wrote: »

Numbers in ICU up to 103 here

With 26 ready to go into ICU