CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Lombardy (the worst hit Italian region) abandoned community testing a few weeks back. They may have gone back to testing since I dont know.

I'm just suspicious that if testing was abandoned in one Italian region maybe it was abandoned in others.

So if I see numbers go down I ask what's going on rather than yay numbers are down.

Testing is still going quite strong in Italy.
As per yesterday, the total number was 477 000 tests (of which, 111 000 in Lombardy alone)
Yesterday, nearly 20 000 tests in Italy identified 4 000 positive cases.

https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/en/#box_6

Nonoperational wrote: »

To be fair the fact that we generally do what we are told probably relates to the fact that overall most of us are fairly decent people who want to just get on with their business. It's not necessarily a bad thing. I see there are mutterings of our civil liberties etc being taken from us but its for good reason. We can still be sensible and pop out for a walk. At the end of the day we are being asked to try and kill the resevior of virus for 2 weeks, not pick cotton in our bare feet either.

If this crisis has proved one thing it's how many selfish,self absorbed thickos there are in this world.Sorry,I had to say it...got it off my chest now

...and they will still be selfish self absorbed thickos when we return to "normality"

is_that_so wrote: »

I think that power will be held off unless it's absolutely necessary. Their presence alone seems to be enough for now.

Call me old fashioned but unless Guards have the legal powers to tell you to do something they shouldn't be doing it. We're seeing huge over reach in the UK and it has created animosity.

Fakediamond wrote: »

And do you know how much an ICU Nurse gets paid for all of that expertise, never mind facing the fear of catching COVID-19? And not seeing their families for weeks/months for some of them now, if there is anyone immuno-compromised in their family.

Most of them are on €40,000 GROSS per year, despite having invested serious money in advanced training and Masters Degrees in some cases.

So never mind a round of applause for health care workers, show them the respect of paying them properly! That at least would give them the esteem they so surely deserve.

Not true. They are paid far more.

Mallory Dead Self-confidence wrote: »

Sure you have Paddy. Sure you have.

First hand aka twitter.

Fakediamond wrote: »

And do you know how much an ICU Nurse gets paid for all of that expertise, never mind facing the fear of catching COVID-19? And not seeing their families for weeks/months for some of them now, if there is anyone immuno-compromised in their family.

Most of them are on €40,000 GROSS per year, despite having invested serious money in advanced training and Masters Degrees in some cases.

So never mind a round of applause for health care workers, show them the respect of paying them properly! That at least would give them the esteem they so surely deserve.

Untrue. Ignore the union propaganda. Average nurse pay in Ireland is mid €50ks per year. Many ICU nurses will be on more than even that. At least, that's what the HSE say, and they pay the bill so should know. Also, the HSE pays for their 'advanced training' - they don't pay a penny themselves normally, and indeed, get fully paid time off work to attend the courses.

Martina1991 wrote: »

Dr Ray Walley,a member of the National Covid-19 GPs Advisory Committee, said that we are testing roughly 2,000 people a day - in comparison, an average of 600 people a week are tested during the height of flu season.

He said this will increase to "ten times that" over the next four weeks and that "things are gearing up" very quickly.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1124971-coronavirus-covid19-ireland/

Additionally it was reported by RTE yesterday that there are ~33,000 tests carried out to date. There was ~18,000 carried out up until 23rd March. That's over 2k a day carried out during the last week.

From what I read the 33,000 is with respect to samples taken. People are equating that with a laboratory test which it is not.

"Sample, sample, sample" doesn't have the same ring to it as the WHO recommendation to "Test, test, test."

The NVRL is operating 24 hours a day and processing ~900 samples a day. Other labs around the country don't have anywhere near the same capacity. (Cillian De Gascun)

Things do not appear to be gearing up yet, they are slowing down elsewhere due to limited access to reagents. Finland, Poland, France and other European countries have scaled down the volume of laboratory tests for this very reason.

Dr. Colm Henry went to great lengths to avoid answering questions asked of him last night and repeated the same point - access to reagents is an issue, every country affected is experiencing the same thing.

A powerful series of photos showing the exhaustion and emotional stress etched on to the faces of Italian health workers.

During their shifts, which can run up to 12 hours, these doctors and nurses must be fully covered in protective equipment, which they cannot remove for even so much as a glass of water or a bathroom break. When they finish their shift and remove their mask, they bear deep imprints—physical and emotional—of their efforts to ease the crisis.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-italy-photos-doctors-and-nurses/608671/

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Checking temperature would detect the 'open' cases, those who are already shedding virus all over the place. Stopping them at the airport would have saved a lot of heartache and clusters here later.

If you looked closer at Nextstrain you would find that the Netherlands strain of virus infected Northern Italy, and from there back to Ireland.

Spot on.

Checking temperatures is a rapid way to determine if someone is shedding. Much faster and cheaper than the normal covid19 testing which can take a week or more to process from the time you are referred to getting results. Normal testing should be done too, but temperature checks is a good idea as well.

There is absolutely no way someone with a temperature over 38 degrees should be allowed fly or go anywhere. They should be in isolation. Its why countries like South Korea and China test temperatures of people everywhere. It isn't for the craic they do it. We still haven't learned from them unfortunately.

Palmach wrote: »

Not true. They are paid far more.

Are you including shift allowances etc? I wasn’t, as they are antisocial hours and should be remunerated accordingly. Can you show us the INMO scales for ICU nurses?