CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

Strazdas · 30-03-2020 02:18PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How come Prince Charles , or Boris, or Tom Hanks didn't end up dead. All older, all unfit .

A key factor seems to be how healthy the person who contracts it is. Those who are already sick and with serious underlying conditions are much more at risk of passing away.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 30-03-2020 02:18PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

2.1% of the 2% of people who died from the virus. Not 2.1% of the worlds population.

I knew that, but looking at how its taking hold now, and especially how it will inevitably devastate places in Africa, we may very well be looking at huge numbers.

RugbyLad11 · 30-03-2020 02:19PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Available to the Chinese general public and from questionable sellers on Taobao yes.

But there certainly isn’t wide availability for international governments in large quantities and from trusted/certified sources.

Ordering a few masks for you online from a random Chinese guy who got then from his local convenience store isn’t the same as our government finding a trusted supplier who can deliver let’s say 100 million of masks in the next 2 or 3 weeks (this is what we’d need if we wanted enough for our heavily exposed frontline workers who are consuming huge quantities and for everyone to wear one when they leave their home). .

The French government recently mentioned they have ordered 1 billion masks mostly from Chinese suppliers, but they are only able to take delivery of small fraction of this in the short term.

They are not from Taobao, they are being shipped directly from a factory in Shanaghi (stuff made in shanghai is the best quality in china) and are ce/fda approved. You think he is going to a convince store to buy ventilators? haha

Fart · 30-03-2020 02:19PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Omg you not read the statistic. It's 2.1% of the people that died.

No, I didn't.

I hope I'm paying a little more attention to my job whilst working from home.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 30-03-2020 02:20PM

Pdoghue wrote: »

That's being facetious.

Possibly i would accept that, but the flip side then could also be argued as being facetious.

I think you will find if you have read any of my posts on the previous god knows how many threads i have taken this quite seriously.

is_that_so · 30-03-2020 02:21PM

This week's bogeymen are - travellers into Ireland, HSE PPE procurement and old people sneaking out for a walk!

voluntary · 30-03-2020 02:21PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Unlikely an adult would do that.

But for those with children, a crawling child might lick their hands after crawling on the floor.

Do you really want to risk CV getting into your house, whether its on the soles of your shoes or otherwise?

I agree about the Chinese over-reaction, but, its a novel virus, we are still learning about it. It might be harmless on the ground, it might not be. The ground is a surface as well after all. Personally I'm leaving nothing to chance. Each to their own.

No idea what the evidence is, but can imagine the virus sitting on the ground with a dust being pulled by the wind.

The One Doctor · 30-03-2020 02:22PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I think we'll be OK tho. The governments own projection was at the peak 550 people would be in ICU. I've read that we will have close to 1000 beds between public and private so we would be able to cope. The good news is that that was with a projection of 800+ new cases being diagnosed a day around now. Yesterday we saw just 200. We wont see the chaos seen in other countries by the looks of things.

While I'm cautiously optimistic, I'm not counting my chickens just yet. Another week of this will give us a trend.

Personally, I'm disinfecting my shopping, spraying everything touchable in the house and not going anywhere except the shops twice a week max. The only potential source of infection is my wife's job, which is in an essential industry (airline logistics). She's disinfecting her workspace constantly and washing her hands.

And above all we're avoiding touching our faces.

I'm hopeful but there's still a chance of infection.

frillyleaf · 30-03-2020 02:23PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

You can still tell people to make their own. Your argument is invalid.

I’m not arguing. I’m also tasking about medically approved masks not ones that people are stitching out of cotton and selling.

Medically approved masks are completely different to homemade masks as they are approved for medical use

kilkenny31 · 30-03-2020 02:24PM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

I knew that, but looking at how its taking hold now, and especially how it will inevitably devastate places in Africa, we may very well be looking at huge numbers.

Come on. That is a reassuring statistic. Overall they reckon that 1% of people that get the virus will die. Now they are saying only 2% of people that die will have no underlying condition. So for every ten thousand people that get it 100 will die of those 100 people only two of them will not have had an underlying condition.

tobefrank321 · 30-03-2020 02:24PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

Just proves that the whole virus scare is a hoax.
US surpassed China because they count deaths differently. In China if you already had damaged lungs and you die after contracting the virus it's not counted as a COVID-19 death. If you're fat and you smoke at 70 it's obvious you shouldn't blame the flu but them drinking Coke syrup and eating hamburgers all day.
Every year the flu 'kills' lots of old people. The only thing different now is the fast spread so instead of the dying a year from now they will die this month.

Yeh like Americans aren't known to be obese and eat burgers all day? Some of them eat nothing but fast food. CV will cut a swathe through middle America. Many have underlying conditions related to obesity - high blood pressure, diabetes, the works. I believe African-Americans for example have the highest rate of diabetes in the world. Then you have states like Florida which will have half their populations wiped out.

Nope its not a hoax at all.

Bob24 · 30-03-2020 02:24PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

They are not from Taobao, they are being shipped directly from a factory in Shanaghi (stuff made in shanghai is the best quality in china) and are ce/fda approved. You think he is going to a convince store to buy ventilators? haha

For sure some people are making money with this and I am not saying there is no supply at all, but again there currently isn’t *enough* supply for the whole world.

I mean, even medical workers in many Western countries are complaining they don’t have enough protective equipment. Do you genuinely believe the reason they don’t is because their governments are too cheap to buy it for them, rather that simply being due to a lack of supply?

Pdoghue · 30-03-2020 02:24PM

2.1 % of the people who DIED in Italy had no underlying condition.

3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the World Health Organization (WHO) as of March 3.. 3.4% is based on number of positive cases confirmed. But there will be many more unreported cases, so..

when all is said done, it is estimated that the overall mortality rate will be about 0.6% which is 6 times that of the regular flu.

0.6% is enough to cause strain on any country's medical resources.

voluntary · 30-03-2020 02:25PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Come on. That is a reassuring statistic. Overall they reckon that 1% of people that get the virus will die. Now they are saying only 2% of people that die will have no underlying condition. So for every ten thousand people that get it 100 will die of those 100 people only two of them will not have had an underlying condition.

Is a pre-diabetic condition classified as an underlying condition?

If so, a lot of people qualify.

Strazdas · 30-03-2020 02:26PM

The One Doctor wrote: »

While I'm cautiously optimistic, I'm not counting my chickens just yet. Another week of this will give us a trend.

Fergal Bowers said on the News at One that he's heard indications are that modelling suggests ICU cases will be at the lower end of the projections.

Rockbeast2 · 30-03-2020 02:26PM

Downlinz wrote: »

This is obviously nonsense but what exactly do the conspiracy folk think is happening here, who do they think is benefiting from everyone staying at home and a population in fear that seemingly every government in the world is collaborating in?

Best one I heard is that the asteroid due to pass "relatively close" [in an astronomical sense] by the earth on April 29th actually has a high chance of hitting us!!:eek:

The coronavirus quarantine is a way to get us all to shelter in place without the worldwide panic an announcement of a possibly imminent asteroid strike would bring. If it doesn't collide then everything will be quickly back to normal in May apparently.

All makes perfect sense to me!

tobefrank321 · 30-03-2020 02:26PM

voluntary wrote: »

No idea what the evidence is, but can imagine the virus sitting on the ground with a dust being pulled by the wind.

As the other poster said, possibly phlegm or the like. Who knows. Do we have any stats on how long it can survive on concrete? We know its a pretty robust virus that can survive in conditions ranging from cold to hot weather.

But as I said each to their own.

grouchyman · 30-03-2020 02:28PM

Hungary seems to be adopting the strongman approach preferred by some on here

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1244613131806130182?s=09

podgeandrodge · 30-03-2020 02:29PM

grouchyman wrote: »

Hungary seems to be adopting the strongman approach preferred by some on here

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1244613131806130182?s=09

I like the 'spreading fake news and rumours' bit I have to say. Should be dealt with very strongly.

Naggdefy · 30-03-2020 02:29PM

Have followed the infection rates daily at frequent intervals.

We seem to be seeing lower infection rates in Europe for 2pm as opposed to the same time late last week. Hopefully it's the start of a trend. Though I know we need a few days of this. But it's roughly a fortnight on, or more, from most countries 'lockdowns', here's hoping.

The One Doctor · 30-03-2020 02:31PM

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Best one I heard is that the asteroid due to pass "relatively close" [in an astronomical sense] by the earth on April 29th actually has a high chance of hitting us!!:eek:

The coronavirus quarantine is a way to get us all to shelter in place without the worldwide panic an announcement of a possibly imminent asteroid strike would bring. If it doesn't collide then everything will be quickly back to normal in May apparently.

All makes perfect sense to me!

It won't hit us.

Strazdas · 30-03-2020 02:32PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

As the other poster said, possibly phlegm or the like. Who knows. Do we have any stats on how long it can survive on concrete? We know its a pretty robust virus that can survive in conditions ranging from cold to hot weather.

But as I said each to their own.

There was a podcast at the weekend by two American virus experts who felt the risk of Covid on surfaces was overstated. Whilst it is quite possible in theory to contract it from a surface, their research indicates that the overwhelming number of cases are coming from human to human contact.

kilkenny31 · 30-03-2020 02:32PM

grouchyman wrote: »

Hungary seems to be adopting the strongman approach preferred by some on here

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1244613131806130182?s=09

That unfortunatly is going to be the negative side of this. Governments giving wide ranging powers that will never be given up. I have some support for tracking phones to identify close contacts but I feel if that power is given to the government during this crisis it may never be given up.

silverharp · 30-03-2020 02:32PM

Not a bad move

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1244577578964393987

jam_mac_jam · 30-03-2020 02:32PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I like the 'spreading fake news and rumours' bit I have to say. Should be dealt with very strongly.

Not in a democracy, no.

Rockbeast2 · 30-03-2020 02:32PM

The One Doctor wrote: »

It won't hit us.

LOL I know that!

Professor Moriarty · 30-03-2020 02:33PM

grouchyman wrote: »

Hungary seems to be adopting the strongman approach preferred by some on here

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1244613131806130182?s=09

Hungary leaving the EU soon so. Or will be thrown out.

podgeandrodge · 30-03-2020 02:34PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Not in a democracy, no.

I hear you. Just annoying all the shíte being passed around by idiots these days!

tobefrank321 · 30-03-2020 02:37PM

grouchyman wrote: »

Hungary seems to be adopting the strongman approach preferred by some on here

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1244613131806130182?s=09

Our parliament is suspended as is the House of Commons and probably every parliament in the world.

You're a bit late I'm afraid.

Next you will be pointing us to some country which imposed draconian measures such as limiting people to within 2km of their home or only meetings of 2 people.

jam_mac_jam · 30-03-2020 02:37PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I hear you. Just annoying all the shíte being passed around by idiots these days!

It is annoying but they have a right to post whatever they want and say whatever they want.

Who defines what's true? The government? No thanks.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP