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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #8612
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Phoebas wrote: »
    It's not flip flopping - it's a fast changing situation that requires different responses at different times.

    That should be clear if you read the articles you link to:

    I read both articles and yes he said too soon. It was the wrong call as anyone who works in a nursing home or care centre environment will tell you. 1 step behind the virus as usual.


  • #8613
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,510 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Brief is short. So to me it is less than or equal to 30 minutes.

    But check with Leo first. I'm just being sensible here.
    whats a brief walk vs a brief cycle?


  • #8614
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭take everything


    The lockdown of society is just the price we pay for something deeper that's very messed up.

    Our priorities nowadays are very messed up IMHO. Our society and economy are clearly precarious structures and if there's no soul-searching after this about what needs to change (even if it was just healthcare) I despair for humanity and where it's going.

    The US is where this is going to be writ large in the next few weeks. Already the New York hospitals are overwhelmed badly.


  • #8615
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    eagle eye wrote: »
    What's pathetic?

    These people are genuinely trying their best do do what's right for the country and you attack them and their motive based on your own groundless prejudices.

    That is absolutely pathetic.


  • #8616
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I think using world war analogies are wrong, people kept working and didnt retreat to their houses at these times.


    We have no experience of war in this country fortunately. Look at the countries who do. Germany doing pretty well. Japan not that bad. Take it up with bill gates. He called it. Corona don't care what you think is wrong.


    "In the case of biological threats, that sense of urgency is lacking," he said. "The world needs to prepare for pandemics in the same serious way it prepares for war."



    He said that he viewed the threat of a pandemic as being on the same level as climate change and nuclear war and that the next epidemic could be "a super contagious and deadly strain of the flu."

    https://www.businessinsider.com/how-bill-gates-is-dealing-with-coronavirus-outbreak-2020


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  • #8617
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    stockshares wrote: »
    Netherlands have returned faulty equipment from China.
    600,000face masks returned. Spain Austria and Czech Republic have had similar problems.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/coroanvirus-holland-recalls-over-half-a-million-masks-imported-from-china-2020-3?amp&r=US&IR=T&__twitter_impression=true

    https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/262896058/600-000-mondkapjes-uit-china-afgekeurd-door-ministerie

    Oh god no. That doesn't look good for our PPE situation.


    I wonder, Ireland has a lot of pharmaceutical companies and factories and cleanrooms etc. I wonder could factories help out with overalls and cleanroom wear for front lines PPE? Just in case the PPE coming in for us turns out to be faulty.


  • #8618
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    We are not in 'lockdown'. Still planes landing and taking off and plenty of people still going to work, public transport operating - the list of 'essential services' that must be maintained seems to be broader than most people would have expected.

    We are in a period of 'additional restrictions' not a 'lockdown'.

    Have to say the list did give me a laugh. It’s like they put every conceivable career on there.


  • #8619
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    Are courts still running as normal? I read all thoses scummers spitting ar Gardai being brought up before judges the next day.

    I also know someone with a court date for Thursday for no tax (never received original fine) but she's not heard a thing about it being postponed. :confused:


  • #8620
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Oh god no. That doesn't look good for our PPE situation.


    I wonder, Ireland has a lot of pharmaceutical companies and factories and cleanrooms etc. I wonder could factories help out with overalls and cleanroom wear for front lines PPE? Just in case the PPE coming in for us turns out to be faulty.

    I would say that most companies that would use that gear are now designated as essential and are still working and using their PPE. You might be surprised by the amount of 'essential' manufacturers and suppliers we now have.


  • #8621
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭paul71


    The 3rd to Join the hall of shame for spitting at Gardai, take a bow Ms Healey from Ballyfermot. Denied bail.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-charged-with-assaulting-garda-after-allegedly-spitting-in-his-face-and-threatening-to-give-him-coronavirus-39084237.html

    I hear there was another in Cork yesterday. This behaviour is now making headlines abroad.


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  • #8622
    take everything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,847 ✭✭✭take everything


    The brilliant Grant Sanderson (3b1b) explains the exponential nature of a disease like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg


  • #8623
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    Why are we buying PPE from China...shouldn't they be giving PPE to every country on Earth to apologise for unleashing this virus upon the planet?

    You'd wonder if this is some sort of a terrorist attack on the world from China.

    Virus originated from china
    Asian people running supplies and stocks low in other countries and sending supplies home
    Countries experiencing faulty PPE equipment from china


  • #8624
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    88 currently in ICU.


  • #8625
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    paul71 wrote: »
    The 3rd to Join the hall of shame for spitting at Gardai, take a bow Ms Healey from Ballyfermot. Denied bail.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-charged-with-assaulting-garda-after-allegedly-spitting-in-his-face-and-threatening-to-give-him-coronavirus-39084237.html

    I hear there was another in Cork yesterday. This behaviour is now making headlines abroad.

    It’s happening abroad too, why would it make headlines anywhere else?


  • #8626
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    take everything wrote: »
    The lockdown of society is just the price we pay for something deeper that's very messed up.

    Our priorities nowadays are very messed up IMHO. Our society and economy are clearly precarious structures and if there's no soul-searching after this about what needs to change (even if it was just healthcare) I despair for humanity and where it's going.

    The US is where this is going to be writ large in the next few weeks. Already the New York hospitals are overwhelmed badly.

    I'm hoping for a profound reassessment of our social values after this. Just a pity it had to take a bloody pandemic. Expect BAU from the usual suspects though.


  • #8627
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,170 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    owlbethere wrote: »
    You'd wonder if this is some sort of a terrorist attack on the world from China.

    Virus originated from china
    Asian people running supplies and stocks low in other countries and sending supplies home
    Countries experiencing faulty PPE equipment from china

    The absurdity of some posts have rendered this thread almost farcical.


  • #8628
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    paul71 wrote: »
    The 3rd to Join the hall of shame for spitting at Gardai, take a bow Ms Healey from Ballyfermot. Denied bail.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-charged-with-assaulting-garda-after-allegedly-spitting-in-his-face-and-threatening-to-give-him-coronavirus-39084237.html

    I hear there was another in Cork yesterday. This behaviour is now making headlines abroad.

    Cúnt (her, not you).


  • #8629
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    I would say that most companies that would use that gear are now designated as essential and are still working and using their PPE. You might be surprised by the amount of 'essential' manufacturers and suppliers we now have.

    That's true. What are we going to do for PPE if the batch turns out faulty


  • #8630
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    A sincere thank you to Order Of Malta - Ambulance Corps.
    These guys are heroes. My brother is on his way to Dublin for surgery as I type this.
    Without the Order of Malta Ambulance Corps this morning, we would not have been able to transport him there.
    Thank you doesn’t come close to my sense of gratitude right now. These people are all volunteers. They are Heroes.


  • #8631
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    The first consignment of PPE equipment from China is due to arrive at Dublin Airport this afternoon. Hopefully there will not be problems with it as other countries have had.


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  • #8632
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭paul71


    Lundstram wrote: »
    Are courts still running as normal? I read all thoses scummers spitting ar Gardai being brought up before judges the next day.

    I also know someone with a court date for Thursday for no tax (never received original fine) but she's not heard a thing about it being postponed. :confused:

    Tell her to phone the clerk of the court.


  • #8633
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,590 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    MrMusician18 wrote:
    These people are genuinely trying their best do do what's right for the country and you attack them and their motive based on your own groundless prejudices.

    That is absolutely pathetic.
    I didn't say they weren't trying. I said there's a lot of stupid people in senior management positions in the public service. Keeping things under the radar is one of the stupid things they do regularly. There are times when it's the right thing to do but not nearly as often as they default to it.
    And their best isn't good enough. Most of my close friends and their families are in self-imposed lockdown for close to four weeks now. The reason being we seen how bad this would get and decided to do our best to prevent contracting it.
    They were in this herd immunity thought process, playing with people's lives, and worrying about the super rich and their finances instead of getting ahead of the curve and locking the whole place down early on. If they did it then we'd have less cases, less deaths and might be near the end of lockdown but they let it run and now we will probably be lucky if 100k are not interested infected and we don't hit 6k deaths.
    The people at the top, for the most part, are hopeless. There are some good guys there who worked their way to the top because their intelligence couldn't be denied but their voices are drowned out by all those who don't deserve and aren't capable of doing the jobs they have.


  • #8634
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    It's likely they otherwise would have died this year anyway, is what the original bloke on BBC4 was suggesting.

    If they would have died now anyway, then the mortality rate in Lombardy would not be five times higher than normal for this time of year. How is that so hard to understand? Some posters seem to go to great lengths to minimse what is a very serious issue


  • #8635
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    froog wrote: »
    88 currently in ICU.

    The figure is jumping every day


  • #8636
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,475 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Lundstram wrote: »
    Are courts still running as normal? I read all thoses scummers spitting ar Gardai being brought up before judges the next day.

    I also know someone with a court date for Thursday for no tax (never received original fine) but she's not heard a thing about it being postponed. :confused:

    Good question.
    UK have stopped jury trials.


  • #8637
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    A Korean-style contact tracing app that will inform people where the nearest case of the virus is, will be launched shortly:

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1244216150101315585


  • #8638
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    The first consignment of PPE equipment from China is due to arrive at Dublin Airport this afternoon. Hopefully there will not be problems with it as other countries have had.

    Other countries took it upon themselves to go through unofficial channels, so they reap what they sow.

    The Spanish essentially ordered testing kits on Alibaba


  • #8639
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭paul71


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    It’s happening abroad too, why would it make headlines anywhere else?

    Don't know I didn't write the articles.


  • #8640
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Oh god no. That doesn't look good for our PPE situation.


    I wonder, Ireland has a lot of pharmaceutical companies and factories and cleanrooms etc. I wonder could factories help out with overalls and cleanroom wear for front lines PPE? Just in case the PPE coming in for us turns out to be faulty.

    In theory they could. Whether they will or not is another story.


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  • #8641
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    froog wrote: »
    88 currently in ICU.

    I think those numbers were shown to be the total that have been in ICU since the start. As in it doesnt necessarily mean there is 88 still in today. Those that have recovered and unfortunately passed away would be in that number too as far as I know.


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