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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #8492
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


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  • #8493
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Thank you. Though it does go to show how official information can be tweaked enough away from the facts and most will believe it. In this case the HSE and other health agencies doing so to stop muppets stockpiling and protecting the very real need to have enough reserves of PPE for front line health workers.






    Yes because it is MUCH more effective in that setting. Us staying at home is far far more effective than people heading out, with masks.
    Give everyone masks and they WILL head out more often and, mask or no, will spread the disease.


  • #8494
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/


  • #8495
    greenfield21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    Major shortage of Qiagen RNA extraction kits. Funnily enough Qiagen are a German company. Germany are suiting themselves during this pandemic.

    Do you have a source for that and who does majority of Germany's testing? Really does show the need for homegrown health companies all the Bullsh*t about EU based were in this together, more like everyone for themselves. Even the pharma companies based here have been so quiet, you'd think we would see some good will.


  • #8496
    population
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭population


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That is your personal choice. Many like beards and stubble, I've seen people wearing masks over facial hair, makes them useless.

    My sister is nursing in a US hospital and everyone with a beard has been told to shave in order for the masks to work effectively.


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  • #8497
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    Insurance companies are calling it an 'act of God' so maybe we should blame the churches?

    I hope that argument is taken to court if not sorted out beforehand. If is well known that it is not advisable to eat bats or pangolin.


  • #8498
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Tomrota wrote: »
    It’s an argument for Universal Basic Income and the 4 day workweek. The way our current society works is disgusting. Nobody has time for anyone or anything.

    I remember hearing a documentary about the new town, Milton Keynes, built in the 1960s about 50 miles north of London.

    One of the interesting items was that it was decided that every house had to have enough space for a yacht. Now it was not that they expected that every one would have a yacht (Milton Keynes is a long way from the ocean), it was that everyone needed space for a hobby and the space for a yacht would be enough for most hobbies.

    Now the reasoning behind this requirement was that the planners reckoned that by the year 2000, most people would have so much leisure time because of the automation that was approaching fast (1960s remember), the work week would shrink to perhaps 3 days a week.

    It struck me that futurologists rarely see into the future with any actual success.

    Maybe we are at a watershed where we can see the futility of the constant pursuit of ever growing GDP, the transfer of wealth to fewer and fewer billionaires, with more and more debt assumed by sovereign governments to keep the show on the road, while product is shipped from one side of the world to the other.

    Maybe it is the time to reset what our aims in life should be.


  • #8499
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes because it is MUCH more effective in that setting. Us staying at home is far far more effective than people heading out, with masks.
    Give everyone masks and they WILL head out more often and, mask or no, will spread the disease.
    Christ, you're really an either or position taker. So now when it's finally getting through that masks do mitigate transmission, you come up with the whataboutery of "oh more people will go out because of them". How about staying the hell at home, but when someone needs to go out for food or medical reasons they wear masks to reduce risks for all when they do so?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #8500
    kaymin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭kaymin


    all about the mane wrote: »
    https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/

    "They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!"

    Says it all really.


  • #8501
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    YFlyer wrote: »
    I hope that argument is taken to court if not sorted out beforehand. If is well known that it is not advisable to eat bats or pangolin.
    Why? Is it because it's not part of western diets?


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  • #8502
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    26526272-8163815-The_news_comes_as_Governmental_advisers_warn_that_even_stricter_-a-9_1585462524122.jpg

    Things are so fast moving - that graph is out of date - Hopkins is reporting 10,023 deaths in Italy now.


  • #8503
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭blackcard


    population wrote: »
    My sister is nursing in a US hospital and everyone with a beard has been told to shave in order for the masks to work effectively.

    Does she mind doing this?


  • #8504
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Of course masks help, they're not 100%, not even close but they'll lower the chances of you catching thr virus or spreading it.

    Saying that, I haven't even looked to buy any, I'd love if the country had enough for everyone to use but we don't. They should be prioritised for workers in healthcare, shops, pharmacies etc., not for people to go out and walk their dog.

    I'd like to see the government put in place some production facilities within Ireland for such products, I'm not sure if they've looked to do so yet, I know some distillers are helping HSE with sanitiser production.


  • #8505
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Of course masks help, they're not 100%, not even close but they'll lower the chances of you catching thr virus or spreading it.

    Saying that, I haven't even looked to buy any, I'd love if the country had enough for everyone to use but we don't. They should be prioritised for workers in healthcare, shops, pharmacies etc., not for people to go out and walk their dog.

    I'd like to see the government put in place some production facilities within Ireland for such products, I'm not sure if they've looked to do so yet, I know some distillers are helping HSE with sanitiser production.


  • #8506
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I've a close shaved beard and I can get full seal in a respirator. And yes I do know how to check this.

    Oh FFS. 507451.gif The lack of clue around here can be seriously bloody painful at times.

    I can't believe this has to be explained... Healthcare workers are significantly more exposed than anybody else to the sick and pathogens from the sick and usually in close quarters in enclosed spaces for long periods of time. More exposure over time equals more risk over time. And yet they wear masks because they know and y'know actual scientific research has proven that masks and other equipment and procedures massively reduce that already significantly higher risk for medical staff.




    You do, but do you think that John from the bar is going to know?


    And yes I know that they are far more likely to get infected, due to proximity, but that is exactly why the general public should not be given false security around PPE making them fully protected.


    How hard has it been to get people to stop going to pubs, parks, beaches, insert any group setting?
    Now how hard will it be to stop people going with everyone thinking that their paper mask is protection?
    People were out and about yesterday in simple paper dust masks FFS.


    The recommendation to not wear masks and to simply stay home is the correct advice.


  • #8507
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Thank you. Though it does go to show how official information can be tweaked enough away from the facts and most will believe it. In this case the HSE and other health agencies doing so to stop muppets stockpiling and protecting the very real need to have enough reserves of PPE for front line health workers.

    And what’s getting almost comical is that the few posters who are on a mission to explain how useless masks are on this thread are ignoring the facts, medical opinions and studies posted here; but at the same time they haven’t posted a single study demonstrating that masks are not useful for the general public.

    Even the WHO advice which they refer to falls short of saying masks are not providing protection for the general public. The WHO indeed says “If you are not ill or looking after someone who is ill then you are wasting a mask”, but their next sentence is “There is a world-wide shortage of masks, so WHO urges people to use masks wisely”. So this is a very political wording which while saying the general public shouldn’t wear masks is careful not to state that masks are not providing protection for the public; and instead outlines the shortage as a reason to use them wisely.


  • #8508
    Lavinia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,102 ✭✭✭Lavinia


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The recommendation to not wear masks and to simply stay home is the correct advice.
    you can apply your recommendation to yourself, feel free to do so!


    just stay home and don't go out


    thank you


  • #8509
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Just saw a report on the BBC from Seoul airport in South Korea. Literally EVERYONE including the BBC reporter were wearing masks.


  • #8510
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    blackcard wrote: »
    Does she mind doing this?

    red card !

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #8511
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    all about the mane wrote: »
    https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/
    And again... The CDC also does not recommend N95 respirators—the tight-fitting masks designed to filter out 95% of particles from the air that you breathe—for use, except for health care workers. Doctors and health experts keep spreading the word. “Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!” tweeted Dr. Jerome Adams, the U.S. Surgeon General, on Feb. 29. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

    The parts in bold are what is driving the parts that aren't. It's amazing to me that you can't see this. No wonder propaganda works on so many. Even when the reality is in plain sight so many will wilfully refuse to acknowledge it. Though I suspect one factor in play is that people don't have face masks so are hellbent in poo pooing them as a risk mitigation because of that.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #8512
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    walshb wrote: »
    NCT suspended last night?

    Yes.. some very quick backtracking overnight. Up until yesterday evening the NCT site said they would resume today, as an approved essential service. It seems Shane Ross had other thoughts and I am glad he did.

    No sign of that post now... not even in the news headlines list on their site.
    Selective rewrite of history? The correct timeline of communications with the public should be maintained for the record otherwise it leads to mistrust.

    The fact that it was such a quick U-turn doesn't inspire confidence in the initial decision making process.

    Was the initial announcement of increased measures on Friday night deliberately vague about 'essential services' so that employers could get on and argue their specific economic case and so influence the list that then was published on Saturday evening?

    Cart before horse and tail wagging dog?


  • #8513
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    The fact that it was such a quick U-turn doesn't inspire confidence in the initial decision making process.
    I strongly suspect the NCTS company and the RSA were digging in their heels about it being a vital service, if nothing else to protect their income(like the construction companies), but the government stepped in and told them to shut down.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #8514
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Idiot journalist after asking HSE best and worst case deaths in Ireland ffs, how does he expect them to answer that? First off its pure guess and second its pure scaremongering and you'd think a journalist would be more responsible.


  • #8515
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Christ, you're really an either or position taker. So now when it's finally getting through that masks do mitigate transmission, you come up with the whataboutery of "oh more people will go out because of them". How about staying the hell at home, but when someone needs to go out for food or medical reasons they wear masks to reduce risks for all when they do so?




    I have said that they are not effective outside of facilities where they can be easily swapped out safely. Where people are actually trained to use them correctly and where the correct masks are being used.


    Giving people an excuse to leave the house, to take stupid unnecessary trips will negate any effects the masks have.


    I have used them in lab settings, I know they work but also they have very obvious drawbacks/weaknesses.


  • #8516
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Klonker wrote: »
    you'd think a journalist would be more responsible.
    God K, I love your optimism. :D

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #8517
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Millions and millions of PPE winging their way to us all as we speak!

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #8518
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Is there any graph for Ireland?


  • #8519
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Did the US give out free supplies for the Spanish Flu?

    That was 100 years ago. Different times.


  • #8520
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    Just saw a report on the BBC from Seoul airport in South Korea. Literally EVERYONE including the BBC reporter were wearing masks.

    Yes they all wear them there as it reduces spread if you have, it protects others. We don’t have enough here so frontline staff need them. It’s better for us to just stay at home !


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  • #8521
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭blackcard


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    Just saw a report on the BBC from Seoul airport in South Korea. Literally EVERYONE including the BBC reporter were wearing masks.

    I just saw a report on a reporter flying into China. Everyone wearing masks, flight attendants and customs wearing full personal protective equipment. Temperatures tested on a number of occasions. Passengers brought to a sealed hotel and tested for Covid-19. Only allowed to carry on their journey after negative tests.
    Is this what is ahead of us?⁰


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