CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

ifElseThen · 28-03-2020 06:43PM

regedit wrote: »

This must be a terrifying time for families who have people in nursing homes. A lot of clusters in these institutions. The mean age of those who passed away today [RIP] is 81 so these must be all from nursing homes.

My 78 year old Dad is in Hollybrook Nursing home. 2 cases in there so we were worried. Managed to get a phone in to him this morning. Thankfully he is in great form and was only worried that we'd be worried about him. Nervy few weeks ahead for sure though.

cameramonkey · 28-03-2020 06:43PM

Un1corn wrote: »

Once the growth stops flowing which could happen now even faster due to the Wuhan Coronavirus and the party can't deliver houses to its princesses in London and Vancouver the regime will collapse.

Very intresting take on political matters, as if you say growth is not enough to keep the government in power, when do you see the regime collapsing? Next year? 5 years?

awec · 28-03-2020 06:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Cumulative.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1243964331622117376?s=20

So the number of people currently in ICU could be a good bit lower than that figure.

A Dub in Glasgo · 28-03-2020 06:44PM

Strangest photo today

Duke of Url · 28-03-2020 06:45PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Cumulative.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1243964331622117376?s=20

They should present current data.

ACitizenErased · 28-03-2020 06:45PM

awec wrote: »

So the number of people currently in ICU could be a good bit lower than that figure.

Chances are that all the deaths have been in ICU.

splinter65 · 28-03-2020 06:46PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

How can people continue to ignore the begging for social distancing, to insist it's an over reaction and to blather on about how it's making it worse (they're right ya see, not the WHO) and to shoe-horn in their own political agendas?

I went to the chemist this afternoon. Our town Thurles was bright and dry but very cold. Normally on a Saturday at 4.30 it’s very busy and bustling. There were lots and lots of walkers out, both individuals and “couples”. I encountered a mother and a granny with 2 kids walking two dogs but they were the only ones not observing the rules. Apart from that it is a ghost town.

Duke of Url · 28-03-2020 06:46PM

awec wrote: »

So the number of people currently in ICU could be a good bit lower than that figure.

Yeas. The ways it’s presented will cause panic.

An Ciarraioch · 28-03-2020 06:46PM

awec wrote: »

So the number of people currently in ICU could be a good bit lower than that figure.

True, but isn't much comfort if they're only freed up due to deaths.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 28-03-2020 06:46PM

The complete restrictions, in my humble opinion, came at the right time. We have only a finite number of Gardaí. We rely on each other to self-govern. The Gardaí are by no means omnipresent. In order to get people to self-govern, there needs to be a sufficient buy-in from the citizens of Ireland. Otherwise, the whole intervention falls flat on its face. Fear incites people to buy-in. Even up until late afternoon on Boards, there were people berating the social restrictions. Could you imagine how defiant people would have been if they tried to completely restrict earlier than they did? And with regard to nursing homes, people would have cited inhumanity at the inability to visit loved-ones. People would have thought that the government was overreacting. They would have found ways to flout the rules. And inevitably as people started to fall sick with CoVID (inevitable, as people will always break rules), people would have dismissed the restrictions as ineffectual.

Kerry25x · 28-03-2020 06:47PM

expectationlost wrote: »

but you have to reckon most of the deaths occurred in ICU beds so its a lot more new people needing ICU

Judging from the median age and speculation that many were nursing home patients then many might not have been in ICU beds, depends on what their ceiling of care was.

New Home · 28-03-2020 06:47PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Tough choices are made every day in hospitals around the country well before this CV outbreak. In a lot of cases if the patient has little quality of life at admission, and treatment will not improve that, the patient will be sedated, be under palliative care and will slip away. I know this for a fact, you can choose whether to believe me or not.

Also nursing homes ask Next of Kin (where resident is not compos mentis) whether family would like resident to be moved to hospital for treatment or to be resuscitated etc. in the event of serious illness a DNR if you like. I know this too.

That was my mother, god rest her. She had a very peaceful passing at a great age with no beeping interventions and tubes and the like. Bless her, and all those that have passed during this outbreak. You can be assured that they will not have been in distress.

Plenty of younger people involved in car accidents and other traumas are also removed from Life support i.e. ventilators too. It is no way genocide, it is the right thing to do in a lot of cases, and has been going on since ventilators were invented.

It is genocide. This is not a matter of deciding what's better for the individual, this is being done due to lack of resources and due to the health services being overwhelmed. I know perfectly well that choices have been made before now, but only during war times, or times of epidemics (and not in Western Europe in recent times) have resources being removed from one patient who might (might, not will) to be given to another who might (might, not will) have a better chance of survival. I'm not talking about palliative care here. You wouldn't see all those doctors and nurses in tears over this, if this had been routine (and I'm not saying they're not sad when somebody dies in normal circumstances).

ifElseThen · 28-03-2020 06:47PM

smallfryy wrote: »

So what happens? They're not helped breathe? Do we not even try save them?

Morphine pain management and sedation most likely.

893bet · 28-03-2020 06:48PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Your grammar is atrocious. You could have said

" Getting away from us now. Predictable given our one step behind the virus policies over the last month. "

or

"Getting away from them now. Predictable given their one step etc etc"

I respect that you have been hell bent on stirring up shight on this forum. But at least get it right.

Whose side are you actually on. Ours or theirs? Simple question.

RIP to all victims.

User name checks out

Macdarack · 28-03-2020 06:48PM

425 covid 19 patients here are health workers, that's frightening.

Widdensushi · 28-03-2020 06:48PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Agreed , deaths and ICU numbers are a better judge of overall rates I would think as we really quantify them. The numbers of people testing positive are not a good indicator.

but the virus getting in to nursing homes skews both those figures

boardise · 28-03-2020 06:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are they in their own garden?

Are they busy vecting/vectoring away ?

josip · 28-03-2020 06:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Chances are that all the deaths have been in ICU.

Perhaps not all in ICU.

Chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said most died in institutional settings such as hospitals or nursing homes.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-most-deaths-have-been-in-settings-such-as-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-1.4213354

TheValeyard · 28-03-2020 06:49PM

1540 viewing these threads......wow, just wow......

fjon · 28-03-2020 06:49PM

Marlow wrote: »

Updated list on essential services can be found here:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/

/M

Good to get a proper list. Strange that childcare doesn't seem to be included? I would have thought that that would be essential for front line workers with kids?

niallo27 · 28-03-2020 06:49PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

True, but isn't much comfort if they're only freed up due to deaths.

Well if your waiting for one, I dont think you would care either way as harsh as it sounds.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 28-03-2020 06:50PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Most of these new death spikes are because it has infiltrated nursing homes, and when these patients present to hospital they are not offered ICU care or ventilators.

The ICU admission criteria for Ireland is very strict unlike other parts of the world.

Unfortunately they already draw an arbitrary line across people with co-morbidities, this will be further accentuated now due to ventilator supply being very low.

What does this mean exactly?

So if someone has diabetes etc or some other chronic health condition, they're not offered ICU care when they get this thing?

Or are you referring specifically to elderly people in nursing homes?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 28-03-2020 06:50PM

Inquitus wrote: »

The vaccine only works against bacterial pneumonia, not viral pneumonia, and certainly not COVID-19 related pneumonia.

The suggestion was that secondary infection with bacterial pneumonia is a killer for covid 19.

It's the same reason why some of the trials feature antibacterial drugs combined with antibiotics.

froog · 28-03-2020 06:51PM

has it actually been confirmed the two daily spikes here were due to nursing home outbreaks? seems to be a lot of assumption going on here.

Professor Moriarty · 28-03-2020 06:52PM

New Home wrote: »

It is genocide. This is not a matter of deciding what's better for the individual, this is being done due to lack of resources and due to the health services being overwhelmed. I know perfectly well that choices have been made before now, but only during war times, or times of epidemics (and not in Western Europe in recent times) have resources being removed from one patient who might (might, not will) to be given to another who might (might, not will) have a better chance of survival. I'm not talking about palliative care here. You wouldn't see all those doctors and nurses in tears over this, if this had been routine (and I'm not saying they're not sad when somebody dies in normal circumstances).

It's many things but it's not genocide. It's triage due to an unexpected pandemic, unprepared health services and sometimes poor political decision making.

awec · 28-03-2020 06:52PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

True, but isn't much comfort if they're only freed up due to deaths.

It means unfortunately the same people are being counted twice if the ICU number is cumulative.

28-03-2020 06:53PM

New Home wrote: »

It is genocide. This is not a matter of deciding what's better for the individual, this is being done due to lack of resources and due to the health services being overwhelmed. I know perfectly well that choices have been made before now, but only during war times, or times of epidemics (and not in Western Europe in recent times) have resources being removed from one patient who might (might, not will) to be given to another who might (might, not will) have a better chance of survival. I'm not talking about palliative care here. You wouldn't see all those doctors and nurses in tears over this, if this had been routine (and I'm not saying they're not sad when somebody dies in normal circumstances).

Great. So not only are the front line workers having to put up with a high chance of catching the virus, now they will look forward to a trial in the Hague when it's all over.

Kerry25x · 28-03-2020 06:53PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

What does this mean exactly?

So if someone has diabetes etc or some other chronic health condition, they're not offered ICU care when they get this thing?

Or are you referring specifically to elderly people in nursing homes?

It is case by case, the consultant will assess the patient and decide the ceiling of care and resussitation status depending on what he or she believes is best for that patient.

Really they are predicting outcomes and looking at quality of life instead of prolonging the suffering of someone who has a low chance of recovery.

I'm just referring to normal circumstances, not specific to Covid19.

fritzelly · 28-03-2020 06:53PM

awec wrote: »

So the number of people currently in ICU could be a good bit lower than that figure.

That answer is still ambiguous, what if all the deaths were never in ICU
No point giving a cumulative figure - means nothing, just say how many are in ICU now

speckle · 28-03-2020 06:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

A 2km from home calculator.

https://2kmfromhome.com/

privacy alert needs geo location information from your mobile.
but if you dont mind that, handy or just take out a paper map of your area,old school like!

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03