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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Un1corn


    Manach wrote: »
    Historically speaking no. There have been cycles of development were China as in sync with Europe and other times it lagged behind. However it is the Chinese people's ill luck that in this era to have a friable authoritarian government with a veneer of one of the most ill-starred ideologies communism. To believe that mainline China has this virus under control or is acting honestly within this current crisis is not creditable.

    Nail, hammer, head.


  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What extra businesses etc are actually closing as of today. It seems like hardly any.

    Places like woodies were open yesterday, their closed from last night.

    The one in Navan was full enough last week when a friend was out fixing some of their I.T. hardware. Mainly folks 50+ buying gardening stuff.

    Our local builders providers are closed except for plumbing supplies etc and even then you can't rock up, you have to order by phone/email


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    14 more dead. Wow.

    Scary stuff.

    Ffs should we have locked down earlier?
    The median age of the new deaths suggests it's probably one or more nursing homes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    You might have heard 71 somewhere but the official release said 59 as of midnight wednesday.

    The official ICU figure is from midnight the day before and was 59 at midnight Wed night which was released in Fridays figures.Todays figure of 67 is at midnight Thursday night.

    However the CMO used a figure of 71 at his press conference last night.He obviously is privy to a more up to date figure than that used in the official release.

    This would indicate that 4 more ICU admissions had occurred from the figure of 67 at midnight Thursday to the time the CMO got an updated figure of 71 yesterday.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1243964331622117376?s=19

    For anyone asking about ICU figures. They are the number since the start

    They are going to look at how they present the ICU stats going forward to avoid confusion. The numbers currently in ICU need to be highlighted. Pointless giving the number admitted since the start. Means nothing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Germany are doing community testing like we are.

    Spain Italy Belgium Netherlands and the UK are only testing people in the hospitals. Their numbers in terms of cases are a lot more accurate than many other countries.

    I do know that there is bookkeeping differences but I don't know if that's universal. It's definitely happened that people have with covid 19 have died of pneumonia or heart attacks or something else and not been included in the statistics.

    I know of 6 cases I've read about in the German media but it could be universal.

    There have been suggestions in German media that a major killer is secondary infections from pneumonia is a major killer and that the incidence of the pneumonia vaccine in Germany is higher than the rest of Europe.

    The vaccine only works against bacterial pneumonia, not viral pneumonia, and certainly not COVID-19 related pneumonia.


  • Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I can hear kids playing outside :rolleyes:

    Have you tried turning up the TV?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    wakka12 wrote: »
    It is the only logical explanation why Germany is experiencing such a small number of total deaths compared to other European countries. Most countries bordering Germany arre the hardest hit in Europe, there is no reason why the effects would be so much less across Germany

    Fair enough if it was simply a much smaller proprtional death rate there, that could be exmplained easily by the amount of testing they are doing. But no, it is the total number of deaths, which is just so much smaller than the rest of Europe, it is unexplainable. Germany has the 2nd oldest population in europe and the third oldest in the world

    It is totally made up bollocks which reverberates around this thread like an echo chamber.

    When I asked for a link, the link debunked the claim.

    As for why Germany is experiencing lower death rates there are many explanations: because it hasn't been overwhelmed yet, because it spread amongst younger people. And so on.

    Deaths are increasing there, however.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Given most of the deaths appear to have been in nursing homes, what difference would it have made?
    It may not have gotten into the nursing home.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Getting away from them now. Predictable given our one step behind the virus policies over the last month.

    Your grammar is atrocious. You could have said

    " Getting away from us now. Predictable given our one step behind the virus policies over the last month. "

    or

    "Getting away from them now. Predictable given their one step etc etc"

    I respect that you have been hell bent on stirring up shight on this forum. But at least get it right.

    Whose side are you actually on. Ours or theirs? Simple question.

    RIP to all victims.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I can hear kids playing outside :rolleyes:

    Are they in their own garden?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 Monitor1985


    294 was the number of confirmed cases as of 1.p.m today, do they have a set time each day that they cut off counting? Or does that time change daily?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭ihdxwz4a3pem9j


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    In irish hospitals, I know we have ICU but do we also have high dependency wards ? Or any type of ward that is a step down from ICU.
    Critical care beds encompass both ICU and HDU beds. In ordinary times, HDU patients would be patients on infusions to maintain a stable blood pressure, high-flow oxygen, BiPAP/CPAP (Machines that helps to push in oxygen and to remove carbon dioxide respectively with each patient breath), and to monitor general patients and post-operative patients who require close monitoring due to risk of deterioration. ICU will include patients who require some form of organ support, such as a ventilator, dialysis machine, or very high-doses of medicine to maintain blood pressure. (Obviously, this is not a fully comprehensive list). In these times, the capabilities of the HDU has increased, depending on the hospital, and may be able to ventilate and provide dialysis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    Very sad to here of so many deaths. New cases are stable enough which I a positive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It may not have gotten into the nursing home.
    They did express concern about nursing homes so it probably had.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    It may not have gotten into the nursing home.

    The sad truth is that they were most likely to have been infected by a member of staff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Are off licences closed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


    Nursing home staff should be working in hazmat suits. If one staff member had covid19 it could be fatal to a large number of patients.

    That's just not possible. Its a home not a hospital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭boardise


    Which New York is going to pay for.

    Just send the tab to Wall St.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    67 admitted to ICU gives me considerable hope.
    Based on the trend from the previous 7 days, the least worst - worst case scenario predicted 73 -93 for today's announcement of the Thursday midnight figures.
    To come in under that 73 is promising.

    Mc4LV8y.png

    The 3 day moving average for ICU admission increases is now showing less variability than earlier in the week and the last 3 values are 24%, 18% and 20%
    I've recalculated the least worst - worst case scenarios.
    The least worst case now has us crossing 250 ICU admissions on April 3rd (previously 1st) and 500 on April 7th (previously 4th)

    ZNQAo52.png

    We've bought ourselves a few more valuable days by our adherence to the previous round of restrictions.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    Are off licences closed?

    no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The sad truth is that they were most likely to have been infected by a member of staff.
    I think there was one mentioned where a medical professional had tested positive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    The official ICU figure is from midnight the day before and was 59 at midnight Wed night which was released in Fridays figures.Todays figure of 67 is at midnight Thursday night.

    However the CMO used a figure of 71 at his press conference last night.He obviously is privy to a more up to date figure than that used in the official release.

    This would indicate that 4 more ICU admissions had occurred from the figure of 67 at midnight Thursday to the time the CMO got an updated figure of 71 yesterday.
    but you have to reckon most of the deaths occurred in ICU beds so its a lot more new people needing ICU


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Rate of new cases lower, yet again, than yesterday. What do you base the scaremongering on? Deaths are up but that has been expected with the care home clusters.

    I think some people just love painting as dark a picture as possible.

    When your only interest in this really is in painting the current governmental administration in a very bad light in the vain hope that the administration you PREFER will benefit from that, then it’s essential to keep pushing the message that they’re doing everything wrong wrong wrong.
    Never let up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Nursing home staff should be working in hazmat suits. If one staff member had covid19 it could be fatal to a large number of patients.

    It’s happened already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    AN EXCELLENT SUMMARY ON THE CORONAVIRUS.*
    From an Asst. Prof. in Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins University.
    It is quite informative,
    and is an excellent summary as to how to avoid the contagion, and it is very clear and easy to follow.
    *The virus is not a living organism,* but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat) which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes its genetic code (mutation) and converts into aggressor and multiplier cells.
    *Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed,* but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
    *The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat.
    That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much, for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam)
    By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
    *HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything.
    In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
    *Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
    *Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, and breaks it down from the inside.
    *Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
    *NO BACTERICIDE SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; *you cannot kill what is not alive with antibiotics.*
    *NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth.
    While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous) 4 hours (copper, because it is naturally antiseptic) and wood (because it removes all the moisture and does not let it peel off)
    24 hours (cardboard) 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic)
    But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
    *The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial cold such as air conditioners in houses and cars. They also need moisture to stay stable, and also darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
    *UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein.
    For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask, UV LIGHT is perfect. But be careful, because it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and skin cancer.
    *The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
    *Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
    *NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serves.
    The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
    *LISTERINE SERVES. It is 65% alcohol.
    *The more confined the space, the more the concentration of the virus will be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
    N.B. In addition to the above, you have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc.
    And when using the bathroom,
    you have to HUMIDIFY HANDS DRY from so much washing of them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
    *Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide below them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Corkgirl20


    darced wrote: »
    That's just not possible. Its a home not a hospital.

    Look what happened in Spain where nurses and care staff contacted the virus in a nursing home and couldn’t come to work and the homes were left deserted. The army found elderly dead in their beds. The care staff definitely need some form of protection against this virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman




  • Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think if any valid critisism can be aimed at the govt response it's not locking down the nursing homes earlier. As far as I know that lesson was already learned from Italy.
    So now the residents of those nursing homes with covid19 are likely going to be wiped out.

    Also, despite what some think, the ICU beds are not at capacity yet and it's not like they are keeping them empty for more deserving cases. Not yet anyway.

    What the fuuuucks is this bulll****e of releasing ICU figures from when the crisis began and not what the current situation is on each given day?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    The idea of wearing masks to break the link between the face and the hands is really good.

    Yeah, but the fact is people don't know how to use them safely. I saw a news report from Italy during the week with a priest coming out of a hospital with a bible in one hand and wearing a mask and gloves. He was removing the mask as he was walking, while still wearing the gloves and putting his hands all over his face to take the mask off.

    I don't think the mask did him any good in that case.


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