CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

Red for Danger · 28-03-2020 03:38PM

Spain looks like it'll be top of the deaths list today but you never know with Italy they're still increaseing when it comes to deaths
Huge gap when it comes to deaths per million between these 2 countries and the rest
Is it that they lost control or is it a matter of time?
Is any non Asian country having a consistent decline

auspicious · 28-03-2020 03:38PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Positivity

https://twitter.com/DarylDust/status/1243532551219826690

Big lump in my throat.
More of the same please.

Nesta99 · 28-03-2020 03:38PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Well US citizens will be advised to wear masks. I guess that's once they procured them. Wonder if we'll change guidance.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1243909759553634305?s=20

Id be a bit worried if such advice was given here. There are plenty of articles on the WHO website giving the rationale on why it may not be best practice. From my own experience with working in Healthcare for 15 years is that people can become complacent when wearing masks/gloves without the knowledge or understanding of infection control. I'm sure you have all seen people at delicounters serve up a sandwich and then take money still wearing the gloves - they forget to wash hands or change gloves after. When people personally feel protected then it is often human nature to not to continue thinking of cross contamination to others.

Masks are usually used in a healthcare setting, especially in theatres and the ED to protect the healthcare worker from splashes. As far as filtering out pathogens, well disposable masks are not designed for that and their integrity starts to go after a few minutes. Again people touch the masks to adust them and then proceed to touch their face or other things around them.

It may help in people feeling useful in preventing the spread of disease, they would help if someone has Covid and if they cough or sneeze would catch some of the droplets but not necessarily more than a sleeve or hanky, awareness of proper disposal is needed like with a tissue but the inclination would not to be to discard the mask.

Seems as much a tactic to create some sense of proactive measures by a government rather than a proper defence or effort to sontain the spread.

Its all goes back to the key principles of good hand hygiene, good manners when coughing/sneezing and social distancing. Then proper self isolation with mild cases and following advice of the HSE if moderate or severe cases. Keeping in mind underlying issues and age maybe too if showing symptoms.

My pennys worth...

Red for Danger · 28-03-2020 03:38PM

Spain looks like it'll be top of the deaths list today but you never know with Italy they're still increaseing when it comes to deaths
Huge gap when it comes to deaths per million between these 2 countries and the rest
Is it that they lost control or is it a matter of time?
Is any non Asian country having a consistent decline

Yester · 28-03-2020 03:40PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't know if you are trying to be funny but giving bad advice is not on at the present time.

Was that not correct?

Roger_007 · 28-03-2020 03:40PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Over 70s should be cocooned completely.

Forcibly?

Red for Danger · 28-03-2020 03:41PM

Spain looks like it'll be top of the deaths list today
but Italy they're still increaseing when it comes to deaths
Huge gap when it comes to deaths per million between these 2 countries and the rest
Is it that they lost control or is it a matter of time?
Is any non Asian country having a consistent decline

strawdog · 28-03-2020 03:42PM

Xertz wrote: »

We are in an incredibly lucky position right now when you think about it compared to many countries.

We've technology, infrastructure, generally have come from a place were we've got financial fire power both domestically and through the EU and unlike quite a few peer developed countries we have very benign, politically stable governance that is by consensus and most people are on the same page. That is not the case in the US at all, and several other countries suffer from similar issues.

Then we've also got the advantage of a rather logical, generally scientifically literate, engaged, and pragmatic pollution that isn't buying into massive conspiracy theories or descending into in-fighting and chaos. That wouldn't necessarily have been the case a half century ago.

Of course we're going to come out of this roughed up, hurt, with financial issues and all sorts of things, but we will come out of this and probably in better shape than many places around the world.

Can you imagine trying to even attempt this in a developing country. A shut down might not even be possible. It's quite likely this will end up contained in well developed countries probably by the later half of 2020 while it could still be running relatively unchecked through huge developing countries causing massive death tolls.

Watched a report on Sky News from Johannesburg highlighting how utterly unenforceable any kind of distancing measure is in the the townships even with the army involved and it made my whole being shudder. I mean it's going to get v bad here and other parts of the developed world, but when this thing hits the poor parts of the world it's going to be on another scale.

Jim_Hodge · 28-03-2020 03:43PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Positivity

https://twitter.com/DarylDust/status/1243532551219826690

Thank you for that. My wife and I needed that.

Gynoid · 28-03-2020 03:43PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't know if you are trying to be funny but giving bad advice is not on at the present time.

I think altogether means totally in the sentence.

GooglePlus · 28-03-2020 03:44PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

It all depends whether people were social distancing in the queue, the other part of it is just your own snobbishness against folks who like fresh produce.

I'm sorry but there's a big enough Tesco down the road with decent space and airflow.

People cramming into a tiny restaurant to get their hands on some obscure broccoli is just ridiculous.

Professor Moriarty · 28-03-2020 03:46PM

strawdog wrote: »

Watched a report on Sky News from Johannesburg highlighting how utterly unenforceable any kind of distancing measure is in the the townships even with the army involved and it made my whole being shudder. I mean it's going to get v bad here and other parts of the developed world, but when this thing hits the poor parts of the world it's going to be on another scale.

India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria....

screamer · 28-03-2020 03:47PM

otnomart wrote: »

Five more Countries join Ireland, France... in calling for coronabonds: the three Baltics, Slovakia and Cyprus.
It is a total of 14 Countries now pushing for this.
On the other side: Netherlands, Austria and Germany.
Surely Germany can change their position in the face of this crisis.

I think if they don’t allow this, we’ll see the end of the EU as we know it. Solidarity seems to be in short supply and rather it’s every country for itself. Germany has the most to lose if that happens, so it’ll be interesting to see which side of self preservation they favour

BattleCorp · 28-03-2020 03:47PM

Yester wrote: »

Was that not correct?

Apologies, I read your post incorrectly. My bad.

Yester · 28-03-2020 03:49PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Apologies, I read your post incorrectly. My bad.

No worries. It wasn't my post though. I just wasn't sure what you meant. I see now.

fits · 28-03-2020 03:50PM

loughside wrote: »

In view of the incredibly high error rate of the kits, Spain-- one of the worst-hit by Covid-19, with deaths surpassing over 4,800-- has announced that it is sending back the first batch of Covid-19 testing kits that it received from China.

Aer Lingus are flying out to collect PPE. Not tests.

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 03:50PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria....

..will probably do ok given their age profile.

Neither the developed world or the developing world can handle this virus if it goes past the capacity of the health service.

Both are in the same boat.

However the low median age will probably protect these areas.

PaybackPayroll · 28-03-2020 03:51PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

In my non expert opinion, the risk is having a non family unit person sitting in your car and having a go at the controls. Also for the tester - having to sit in a conveyor belt of cars driven by people outside of his family unit - who knows the health of whomever drove it to the centre - what if they coughed all over the dash on the way in?

If I was a tester, I would jack the job in now, in the interests of maintaining the health and safety of my family. If I was due a test, I would refuse to attend, for the same reason.

I cancelled a test because of this. Still got charged €22.

It's crazy to have some stranger crawling around your car, possibly spreading disease. I wonder how frequently they change their gloves and face masks? - Surely these gloves and face masks should be given to the HSE instead?

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 03:51PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Thank you for that. My wife and I needed that.

I think that for the next 40 years in Italy, they should print the face of one of each deceased health worker on their € bank notes each year.

BanditLuke · 28-03-2020 03:52PM

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1243925483030556677?s=19

Professor Moriarty · 28-03-2020 03:54PM

FVP3 wrote: »

..will probably do ok given their age profile.

Neither the developed world or the developing world can handle this virus if it goes past the capacity of the health service.

Both are in the same boat.

However the low median age will probably protect these areas.

Indeed. However, they will also have many millions of elderly people and/or people with preexisting conditions. Most of these people will have little or no access to any form of medical help or medication, never mind a hospital bed.

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 03:58PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1243925483030556677?s=19

That's weird, a silver bullion coin called the Maria Teresa thaler was first minted in 1741.

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 03:58PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Indeed. However, they will also have many millions of elderly people and/or people with preexisting conditions. Most of these people will have little or no access to any form of medical help or medication, never mind a hospital bed.

Indeed. However a much younger population could create some kind of herd immunity before it gets out of control in the larger population. If I were old I would fancy my chances more in Africa than Italy right now.

cloudatlas · 28-03-2020 03:59PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I'm sorry but there's a big enough Tesco down the road with decent space and airflow.

People cramming into a tiny restaurant to get their hands on some obscure broccoli is just ridiculous.

It all depends whether the store were only letting in a few people at a time had strict social distancing measures in the queue. My local organic shop has implemented measures and less people attend in comparison with the droves of people going to Tesco. Again the 'obscure broccoli' is your own snobbishness.

FVP3 · 28-03-2020 04:02PM

loughside wrote: »

In view of the incredibly high error rate of the kits, Spain-- one of the worst-hit by Covid-19, with deaths surpassing over 4,800-- has announced that it is sending back the first batch of Covid-19 testing kits that it received from China.

Was there any need to make that text so big? We got it. There are some faulty tests from one Chinese factory. Let's move on.

Professor Moriarty · 28-03-2020 04:02PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Indeed. However a much younger population could create some kind of herd immunity before it gets out of control in the larger population. If I were old I would fancy my chances more in Africa than Italy right now.

Really? Maybe at this moment in time, you're right. However, I can't see how India/Nigeria/Pakistan will stop the virus spreading. When it does, and by the time herd immunity has kicked in, I think the mortality rates will be far higher than in Italy. Hope I'm wrong and hope Italy is turning a corner.

ACitizenErased · 28-03-2020 04:02PM

https://twitter.com/WarsontheBrink/status/1243929957170065408?s=20

redarmy · 28-03-2020 04:03PM

A woman (34) has been denied bail after appearing before Dublin district court charged with assault causing harm to a Garda. It is alleged the woman spat in the Garda’s face and threatened to give him Coronavirus during the incident in the city centre last night
@Independent_ie

Wombatman · 28-03-2020 04:04PM

The UK look in bad shape. Could they e hit the same death per day numbers as Italy and Spain? I fear the delay in implementing strict measures could really cost them. Those pictures of people crammed on the tube last week were unbelievable.

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1126991/

DOCARCH · 28-03-2020 04:05PM

260 deaths in the UK today. That's really starting to ramp!

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03