CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 03:10PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Things seem to be slowing in Spain thankfully. Both numbers down and rate of change under 10%.

The numbers are a reflection of the process used to gather, collate and report them, they don't necessarily reflect any reality concerning the progress of the epidemic. We had a big drop in the numbers here too, then they got back on track.

otnomart · 28-03-2020 03:10PM

In Italy, hospitals have started using robots to monitor Covid patients and take their obs

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2020/03/28/coronavirus-a-varese-si-sperimentano-i-robot-in-corsia-non-eliminano-il-contatto-umano-ma-si-risparmiano-dispositivi-di-protezione/5752292/?

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Nesta99 · 28-03-2020 03:11PM

Elle Tasty Gymnasium wrote: »

Somebody asked about using inhalers and nebulisers to treat this:

Basically, you have different levels of oxygen requirement. When we are well, we suck in air, which has 21% oxygen. When we are sick, for different reasons, less of this oxygen is delivered to our blood. Initially, we can go up on the % of oxygen (e.g. from 21% of the gas volume we breathe, to 40%) that is given by giving nasal cannula (nasal prongs) or a face-mask. This will maintain the oxygen at sufficient levels. However, if somebody is sick enough, this extra amount, won't be enough. They will need us to help when they suck in the oxygen. This help comes in the form of pushing the air into the lungs with a machine (CPAP/Airvo). Imagine somebody trying to climb a high wall. If they cannot reach the top, their first option is to jump higher (give them oxygen on top of what they already breathe). However, if the wall is too high, they will need somebody to give them a boost to reach the top (pushing the air in with each breath). They get a boost, every breath they take. And finally, if that doesn't work, we need our breathing machines to take over, and to do the breathing for them, to maintain the oxygen levels (and in some cases, reduce the carbon dioxide). This is known as ventilation. Imagine if the wall is too high, no amount of boosting will get the person over the wall. We then need a hoist to get them over (ventilation).

In terms of a nebuliser, it is used to administer a liquid medicine in tiny mist form. Because the particle is so small, in can reach the deeper parts of the lung. This medicine can cause the breathing tubes to expand, to give more room for the oxygen to get in. However, ultimately a nebuliser only helps if the primary reason for poor oxygen levels are tight breathing tubes e.g. patients with asthma, COPD. If this is not the main reason (as in Covid-19), it will not help. I know that in hospitals, you can give oxygen through nebulisers. However, most home nebulisers will not have that function. So, nebulisers will not help somebody with low oxygen levels, resulting from the COVID-19.

Sorry for the prolix tutorial! I just get really enthusiastic about explaining how the lungs work (I am a nerd!)

Do you work with the HSE? If so what would be the level of access to ECMO in the service. Is it hospital dependant. While NHS availability is limited there are mobile perfusionist teams that can go to different sites rather then being 'lucky' to be in a hospital where it could be a last gasp option (pardon the pun) to buy some time.

caveat emptor · 28-03-2020 03:11PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

It's a mixture of stupidity and inability to want to recognise the reality.

The politicians and their advisors can't come out and say it. They just want to be able to say "well, we tried everything".

Eventually the mood will change after a couple of months of lockdown and the politicians will, as usual, follow the public mood.

The lockdown is completely unsustainable and ultimately of little benefit. It'll just take a while for the penny to drop for most people.

Well actually there is a thing called science. Sort of figures out for the benefit of everyone. Government tends to listen to that. It trumps public opinion when matters of national security are at play.

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1241342938094940162?s=20

Coyote · 28-03-2020 03:11PM

Monitor1985 wrote: »

Is there any site dedicated to Irelands curve chart? To show where we could have been without the implemented restrictions and where we are heading with current restrictions?

Number updated to match yesterday's report

remember the 500 ICU beds a lot of them are in use already just not for Covid19

I added in charts for all 3 rate of growth, i'm still working on them so forgive any mistakes

No Change in number

Slow Change

Big Drop in numbers

again with all of this i'm just trying to show people the 14 day delay in an change in how we deal with this
if you wait till we are overloaded it's too late
everyone has to make up there own mind but at least look at the maths

3 weeks no change 44K
3 weeks slow change 29K
3 weeks big drop 9K

1 month no change 151K
1 month slow change 56K
1 month big drop 11K

intresting visualization of covid
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

you need to decide what you do today to affect 3 weeks from now

voluntary · 28-03-2020 03:12PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Well US citizens will be advised to wear masks. I guess that's once they procured them. Wonder if we'll change guidance.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1243909759553634305?s=20

The only reason HSE advices against using masks by the public is that there's no masks available and the priority is to secure masks for healthcare staff and people at high risk of infection.

Curious_Case · 28-03-2020 03:13PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Unfortunately anyone who points out these immutable facts here is a pariah.

Woah there!

Might I suggest that whether the lockdown is justified or not depends on what it's intended to achieve.

Let's see how a "softly, softly" approach works for Sweden.

Risteard81 · 28-03-2020 03:13PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

NCT to resume operations tomorrow - deemed to be an essential service.
Source - Announcement on NCT website.

No sensible reason for NCTs to be proceeding. This proves Leo's dishonesty and incompetence.

Mod: banned from forum for 1 week.

SharpshooterTom · 28-03-2020 03:13PM

Thread needs updating.

Northern Ireland deaths up to 15 according to the BBC.

Rob A. Bank · 28-03-2020 03:14PM

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 28 March 2020 @ 08:00 hrs

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Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Lord Fairlord · 28-03-2020 03:15PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think it’s a step too far taking away people’s freedom

The extreme measures are somewhat analogous to the idea that the speed limit on every road in the state ought be 30kmh as it would save many lives and stop many people from being seriously injured - but of course we don't have such a law because people have to live.

maxpowers · 28-03-2020 03:15PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

No sensible reason for NCTs to be proceeding. This proves Leo's dishonesty and incompetence.

Ridiculous that these centres are open for business. Just cancel them for a few months ffs.

Curious_Case · 28-03-2020 03:16PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

No sensible reason for NCTs to be proceeding. This proves Leo's dishonesty and incompetence.

Well motor repair shops are deemed "non essential"
so if it's essential to have your car tested but not essential to get it fixed
then it's a "put you off the road" policy

Xertz · 28-03-2020 03:16PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

No sensible reason for NCTs to be proceeding. This proves Leo's dishonesty and incompetence.

Well I would assume the argument is that it keeps dangerous vehicles off the road and as a result of so doing that reduces the number of car crashes, which reduces the pressure on the HSE, emergency services and the Gardai.

I'm not saying that I'd necessarily agree entirely with keeping it open, but there is a certain logic.

Things like tyre changes and so on are also still possible.

I would imagine the NCT is rather low risk anyway, given that it is carried out in a very socially distanced way normally anyway, as long as people don't congregate in waiting rooms.

There needs to be some joined up thinking on car maintenance ASAP though as we're hugely dependent on cars in this crisis. They're effectively a bubble of biosecurity to get people around.

stephenjmcd · 28-03-2020 03:16PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

No sensible reason for NCTs to be proceeding. This proves Leo's dishonesty and incompetence.

Well it really is an essential service. Still need anything that is on the road to be road worthy. Plus if your nct is up then it's illegal to drive the car, yet it might be the only way people can get to the shops, essential work etc.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 28-03-2020 03:16PM

People think that masks are infallible. There is a very specific way to put them on, and to take them off. For example, one should break the ties from behind to remove it, and to never touch the front part. Masks should not encourage people to take reckless risks, that they would not take without

GooglePlus · 28-03-2020 03:17PM

Forest Avenue open for business again today for their up your own arse posh farmers market. Queue around the corner, absolutely disgraceful.

You'd think people could forgo their purple carrots for the sake of others.

boardise · 28-03-2020 03:17PM

magma69 wrote: »

Suck it up ffs. The measure are in place to save lives, if that means having a bit of anxiety due to being cooped up then so be it.

When did we turn into such a pack of pussies? Dozens of millions went out to die in wars not too long ago in emergencies and we're being asked to just stay at home for a few weeks. Put on your big boy/girl pants now and do your bit.

'When did we turn into such a pack of pussies?'

My answer to that plaintive question is -when the PC ideology came to town
and became entrenched in the education system It is embedded in University faculties -especially Sociology and Education. They indoctrinate the teachers who pass it on to primary and secondary pupils ...(like a virus ,if you will). Pupils are told that they can't fail at anything ,everything is dumbed down, if you cut your finger you probably need counselling etc.
Believe me ,I've seen it up close as I spent my career as a lecturer and I've seen how iniquitous it is in its cumulative effects .
We're stuck with it for the foreseeable future although there are signs that there is some kickback against its worst excesses.

P.S.A nice recent example was the decision to award a blanket 100% to LC students in their oral exams -there doesn't seem to be a limit to the lunacies of PC.

stephenjmcd · 28-03-2020 03:18PM

Curious_Case wrote: »

Well motor repair shops are deemed "non essential"
so if it's essential to have your car tested but not essential to get it fixed
then it's a "put you off the road" policy

Motor repair is available on emergency basis so you could get it fixed

Xertz · 28-03-2020 03:20PM

On the road safety issue, I would argue that right now that a message needs to go out very heavily on dangerous driving / risky driving / excessive speed etc.

It's totally unfair to add to stresses on the health services right now and there are certain risky driving behaviours that could be stopped.

We've empty roads at the moment and if you are driving for whatever reason, maybe take it easy and enjoy them for a change.

SharpshooterTom · 28-03-2020 03:20PM

England - 926
Scotland - 40
Wales - 38
Northern Ireland - 15

caveat emptor · 28-03-2020 03:20PM

boardise wrote: »

'When did we turn into such a pack of pussies?'

My answer to that plaintive question is -when the PC ideology came to town
and became entrenched in the education system It is embedded in University faculties -especially Sociology and Education. They indoctrinate the teachers who pass it on to primary and secondary pupils ...(like a virus ,if you will). Pupils are told that they can't fail at anything ,everything is dumbed down, if you cut your finger you probably need counselling etc.
Believe me ,I've seen it up close as I spent my career as a lecturer and I've seen how iniquitous it is in its cumulative effects .
We're stuck with it for the foreseeable future although there are signs that there is some kickback against its worst excesses.

P.S.A nice recent example was the decision to award a blanket 100% to LC students in their oral exams -there doesn't seem to be a limit to the lunacies of PC.

Who gives a fvck about exams right now?

keroseneboy · 28-03-2020 03:21PM

lobbylad wrote: »

Aer Lingus EI 9018, Dublin to Beijing, just left on its first run for medical supplies

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

The same aircraft was used to ferry disaster relief supplies to Haiti back in 2010..EI-EAV “St. Ronán”

Curious_Case · 28-03-2020 03:21PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Motor repair is available on emergency basis so you could get it fixed

Is that for roadside breakdowns though?

NCT failures aren't often emergencies

Inquitus · 28-03-2020 03:22PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Are there any Garda checkpoints? Quite a few reports of them around the city

Aye I got stopped in Swords this morning and asked the reason for my drive.

loughside · 28-03-2020 03:22PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Aer Lingus flight to Beijing to collect supplies is now approaching the Ural Mountains and about to enter Asia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

not wanting to be the purveyor of bad news but this didnt go to well for the Czech or the Spanish.
https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/china-delivered-faulty-coronavirus-test-kits-to-spain-czech-republic-120032800056_1.html

hopefully they work but these stories are typical of the cheap chinese tat we see.

28-03-2020 03:23PM

cefh17 wrote: »

Where did you read that?

https://twitter.com/SindyLJoyce/status/1243643740394328064?s=19

Strazdas · 28-03-2020 03:24PM

O'Connell Street and the bridge on a Saturday afternoon.....almost spooky to see it so empty

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1243919488027963392

Rattlehead_ie · 28-03-2020 03:24PM

keroseneboy wrote: »

The same aircraft was used to ferry disaster relief supplies to Haiti back in 2010..EI-EAV “St. Ronán”

Surely ferry is a bad choice of words there. :-) :-)

Xertz · 28-03-2020 03:24PM

Elle Tasty Gymnasium wrote: »

People think that masks are infallible. There is a very specific way to put them on, and to take them off. For example, one should break the ties from behind to remove it, and to never touch the front part. Masks should not encourage people to take reckless risks, that they would not take without

I would guess the main advantage of general use would be to stop people who are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic from spreading it through droplet spread rather than to prevent you from inhaling it.

The countries that use them tend to have been ones that experienced SARS. That's why they became a thing there a few years ago. That and it was quite common to wear them in China due to air pollution issues too. So, culturally they were not that big a deal.

I think though the logic that it won't protect you from picking it up, unless you're using a very high filtration mask, and even then you need to avoid touching your face etc. is correct. However, simple masks may well reduce the cough/sneeze and spray issues to some degree. They're certainly not a magic shield though.

When supply ramps up, I would assume they will be common here too for a time.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03