CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 04:00PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

NCT to resume operations tomorrow - deemed to be an essential service.
Source - Announcement on NCT website.

It clearly isn't. There are inconsistencies in these measures.

RandomName2 · 28-03-2020 04:00PM

Interesting cartoon

yourdeadwright · 28-03-2020 04:01PM

jackboy wrote: »

Yep, that sort of reactive behavior instead of planning has got us where we are today.

Nothing we done got us into this

cefh17 · 28-03-2020 04:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Travellers have been designated a high risk group and as such have been prioritised for testing, etc.
Makes sense when you see the proximity they live together, also they have above average obesity and above average smoking prevalence. All high risk factors.

Where did you read that?

delaad · 28-03-2020 04:02PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Aer Lingus flight to Beijing to collect supplies is now approaching the Ural Mountains and about to enter Asia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

This is all a bit like waiting for the French at Killala:)
Hope it ends better than that

Nesta99 · 28-03-2020 04:02PM

Nipped in to the local Lidl to grab a few necessities this morning after a stint of nightshifts. Was wearing scrubs and ID as per protocol (fresh so as not to be wearing civvies in to work and then home). One of the staff spotted me in the queue outside and sent me in to the shop, the same when queuing to pay, people stood aside and ushered me to go first. As I was leaving the store people started to applaud and the queue outside did the same. Regardless of the fact that there were far too many about for my liking in general it was a truly lovely moment, tearful almost, to get that appreciation. It was a big motivator after a long few night shifts and I felt a lot less tired and uncomfortable after (hours of wearing full PPEs is one of the most uncomfortable things ive ever experienced especially with the shortage and hence not really being able to remove them in case of no replacements).

I dont work for the HSE as I live close to the border so am with the NHS and the level of preparedness isnt as extensive as in the HSE currently. A lot of the work is clearing the boards still with the EDs of some hospitals closing so all emergencies are being filtered through our place so its is hectic but all people it must be assumed could be a Covid-19 carrier, especially if their issue is respiratory related, which must be disconcerting for patients to be talking to someone that looks like they are straight off an apocalypse movie set.

I dont know if any of those people in the store today would see this but Id like to say thank you!! It really does make a difference to morale.

niallo27 · 28-03-2020 04:03PM

UK's death rate to me looks like up to 50k infected as I think this is running at about 0.5% death rate.

Risteard81 · 28-03-2020 04:04PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The lockdown is completely unsustainable and ultimately of little benefit. It'll just take a while for the penny to drop for most people.

Unfortunately anyone who points out these immutable facts here is a pariah.

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 04:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Since when is vaping very hard on the lungs?

Since 5 or so months ago:

Lung Damage From Vaping Resembles Chemical Burns, Report Says

Doctors at the Mayo Clinic examined samples of lung tissue from 17 patients, all of which looked as if the people had been exposed to toxic chemicals, the researchers said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/health/vaping-illnesses.html

sudzs · 28-03-2020 04:05PM

Just about the cocooning, are they really going to stop people on the street if they look over 70 and ask for ID?? Seems nuts. Surely any sensible Guard will be looking for gangs of gougers just hanging around the streets rather than a 71 year old out for his constitutional - within 2 km of his home obviously!

castletownman · 28-03-2020 04:05PM

There is was a traveller in a local supermarket earlier at the deli letting his chap run around the aisles, brushing off customers etc.

Good to see he got his essential potato wedges though.

Dr hoRse · 28-03-2020 04:06PM

MipMap wrote: »

What about Nebulisers, Vetolin.

I suffer from COPD and these work great

These medications work for what we call obstructive lung disease to allow air flow predominantly out of the lungs (which might seem counterintuitive) by working at the level of the larger airways which don't participate in gas exchange (oxygen for carbon dioxide at the molecular level), this takes place in the alveoli (little airway sacs).
In covid the alveoli are damaged by inflammation and full of inflammatory cells and fluid and gunk (think of the inflammation at a skin infection) so gas exchange can't take place in this medium. - Positive pressure (and some other techniques) can keep these small sacs open allowing for gas exchange. It's really a temporising measure until the inflammatory process resolves but is designed to buy the patient time to recover

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 28-03-2020 04:06PM

If posters are going to use terms such as little benefit re: societal restrictions, where is the scientific evidence to back up these statements? And explain the rationale for the reason that it will not work? What are the factors to be considered that will ultimately lead to its failure? It is good to hear all opinions. But in order to promote a debate, people need to outline their thought processes. It is impossible to debate vague statements

caveat emptor · 28-03-2020 04:07PM

Well US citizens will be advised to wear masks. I guess that's once they procured them. Wonder if we'll change guidance.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1243909759553634305?s=20

This is it · 28-03-2020 04:08PM

sudzs wrote: »

Just about the cocooning, are they really going to stop people on the street if they look over 70 and ask for ID?? Seems nuts. Surely any sensible Guard will be looking for gangs of gougers just hanging around the streets rather than a 71 year old out for his constitutional - within 2 km of his home obviously!

It's for their safety! I presume they'll be asked to go home.

Hobgoblin11 · 28-03-2020 04:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Aer Lingus flight to Beijing to collect supplies is now approaching the Ural Mountains and about to enter Asia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb

So many covid shuttles, do we stand any chance of defeating this virus ?

BorneTobyWilde · 28-03-2020 04:09PM

USA is finding so many cases, means little though as most of them will never feel any real effects of having the virus. They are just testing 100's of 1000's of people. Their deaths per 100,000 is very low so far.

Xertz · 28-03-2020 04:10PM

We are in an incredibly lucky position right now when you think about it compared to many countries.

We've technology, infrastructure, generally have come from a place were we've got financial fire power both domestically and through the EU and unlike quite a few peer developed countries we have very benign, politically stable governance that is by consensus and most people are on the same page. That is not the case in the US at all, and several other countries suffer from similar issues.

Then we've also got the advantage of a rather logical, generally scientifically literate, engaged, and pragmatic population that isn't buying into massive conspiracy theories or descending into in-fighting and chaos. That wouldn't necessarily have been the case a half century ago.

Of course we're going to come out of this roughed up, hurt, with financial issues and all sorts of things, but we will come out of this and probably in better shape than many places around the world.

Can you imagine trying to even attempt this in a developing country. A shut down might not even be possible. It's quite likely this will end up contained in well developed countries probably by the later half of 2020 while it could still be running relatively unchecked through huge developing countries causing massive death tolls.

I'm hoping the US and a few others manage to pull themselves together and operate in a pragmatic, sane way to deal with this. The indications so far haven't been good and there's a big risk for us if the US goes into total turmoil as we are quite interlinked both economically and socially. That's why I'm looking on with horror. Their partisan fighting is besides the point, it's the lack of leadership, the in-fighting and the sloshing around of conspiracy theories and so on that are really worrying me.

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 04:10PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Things seem to be slowing in Spain thankfully. Both numbers down and rate of change under 10%.

The numbers are a reflection of the process used to gather, collate and report them, they don't necessarily reflect any reality concerning the progress of the epidemic. We had a big drop in the numbers here too, then they got back on track.

otnomart · 28-03-2020 04:10PM

In Italy, hospitals have started using robots to monitor Covid patients and take their obs

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2020/03/28/coronavirus-a-varese-si-sperimentano-i-robot-in-corsia-non-eliminano-il-contatto-umano-ma-si-risparmiano-dispositivi-di-protezione/5752292/?

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Nesta99 · 28-03-2020 04:11PM

Elle Tasty Gymnasium wrote: »

Somebody asked about using inhalers and nebulisers to treat this:

Basically, you have different levels of oxygen requirement. When we are well, we suck in air, which has 21% oxygen. When we are sick, for different reasons, less of this oxygen is delivered to our blood. Initially, we can go up on the % of oxygen (e.g. from 21% of the gas volume we breathe, to 40%) that is given by giving nasal cannula (nasal prongs) or a face-mask. This will maintain the oxygen at sufficient levels. However, if somebody is sick enough, this extra amount, won't be enough. They will need us to help when they suck in the oxygen. This help comes in the form of pushing the air into the lungs with a machine (CPAP/Airvo). Imagine somebody trying to climb a high wall. If they cannot reach the top, their first option is to jump higher (give them oxygen on top of what they already breathe). However, if the wall is too high, they will need somebody to give them a boost to reach the top (pushing the air in with each breath). They get a boost, every breath they take. And finally, if that doesn't work, we need our breathing machines to take over, and to do the breathing for them, to maintain the oxygen levels (and in some cases, reduce the carbon dioxide). This is known as ventilation. Imagine if the wall is too high, no amount of boosting will get the person over the wall. We then need a hoist to get them over (ventilation).

In terms of a nebuliser, it is used to administer a liquid medicine in tiny mist form. Because the particle is so small, in can reach the deeper parts of the lung. This medicine can cause the breathing tubes to expand, to give more room for the oxygen to get in. However, ultimately a nebuliser only helps if the primary reason for poor oxygen levels are tight breathing tubes e.g. patients with asthma, COPD. If this is not the main reason (as in Covid-19), it will not help. I know that in hospitals, you can give oxygen through nebulisers. However, most home nebulisers will not have that function. So, nebulisers will not help somebody with low oxygen levels, resulting from the COVID-19.

Sorry for the prolix tutorial! I just get really enthusiastic about explaining how the lungs work (I am a nerd!)

Do you work with the HSE? If so what would be the level of access to ECMO in the service. Is it hospital dependant. While NHS availability is limited there are mobile perfusionist teams that can go to different sites rather then being 'lucky' to be in a hospital where it could be a last gasp option (pardon the pun) to buy some time.

caveat emptor · 28-03-2020 04:11PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

It's a mixture of stupidity and inability to want to recognise the reality.

The politicians and their advisors can't come out and say it. They just want to be able to say "well, we tried everything".

Eventually the mood will change after a couple of months of lockdown and the politicians will, as usual, follow the public mood.

The lockdown is completely unsustainable and ultimately of little benefit. It'll just take a while for the penny to drop for most people.

Well actually there is a thing called science. Sort of figures out for the benefit of everyone. Government tends to listen to that. It trumps public opinion when matters of national security are at play.

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1241342938094940162?s=20

Coyote · 28-03-2020 04:11PM

Monitor1985 wrote: »

Is there any site dedicated to Irelands curve chart? To show where we could have been without the implemented restrictions and where we are heading with current restrictions?

Number updated to match yesterday's report

remember the 500 ICU beds a lot of them are in use already just not for Covid19

I added in charts for all 3 rate of growth, i'm still working on them so forgive any mistakes

No Change in number

Slow Change

Big Drop in numbers

again with all of this i'm just trying to show people the 14 day delay in an change in how we deal with this
if you wait till we are overloaded it's too late
everyone has to make up there own mind but at least look at the maths

3 weeks no change 44K
3 weeks slow change 29K
3 weeks big drop 9K

1 month no change 151K
1 month slow change 56K
1 month big drop 11K

intresting visualization of covid
http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

you need to decide what you do today to affect 3 weeks from now

voluntary · 28-03-2020 04:12PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Well US citizens will be advised to wear masks. I guess that's once they procured them. Wonder if we'll change guidance.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1243909759553634305?s=20

The only reason HSE advices against using masks by the public is that there's no masks available and the priority is to secure masks for healthcare staff and people at high risk of infection.

Curious_Case · 28-03-2020 04:13PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Unfortunately anyone who points out these immutable facts here is a pariah.

Woah there!

Might I suggest that whether the lockdown is justified or not depends on what it's intended to achieve.

Let's see how a "softly, softly" approach works for Sweden.

Risteard81 · 28-03-2020 04:13PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

NCT to resume operations tomorrow - deemed to be an essential service.
Source - Announcement on NCT website.

No sensible reason for NCTs to be proceeding. This proves Leo's dishonesty and incompetence.

Mod: banned from forum for 1 week.

SharpshooterTom · 28-03-2020 04:13PM

Thread needs updating.

Northern Ireland deaths up to 15 according to the BBC.

Rob A. Bank · 28-03-2020 04:14PM

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 28 March 2020 @ 08:00 hrs

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Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Lord Fairlord · 28-03-2020 04:15PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think it’s a step too far taking away people’s freedom

The extreme measures are somewhat analogous to the idea that the speed limit on every road in the state ought be 30kmh as it would save many lives and stop many people from being seriously injured - but of course we don't have such a law because people have to live.

maxpowers · 28-03-2020 04:15PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

No sensible reason for NCTs to be proceeding. This proves Leo's dishonesty and incompetence.

Ridiculous that these centres are open for business. Just cancel them for a few months ffs.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03