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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #6632
    The One Doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

    According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

    Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

    So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks for every 20,000 that are infected, that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

    Even if we ramp up the ICU spaces by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

    The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

    We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

    Ridiculous and illogical, Boris.

    First of all, about 30% of people with covid19 not detected or asymptomatic, not 1000%.

    Secondly, the economy is already fcuked so why worry? We'll get through it as we have before. It can all be fixed.

    I guarantee that when this happens in your 70s you will not be so cavalier.

    Stay at home. Don't be a killer.


  • #6633
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Seamai wrote: »
    Well we will just have to put up with it, we're not used to it and are quite relaxed. I was in Naples last September and it seemed there was an armed soldier on every street corner, when I asked locals about this, they just shrugged and said it was normal for them.

    For that to the normal is not a good thing. I don’t ever want to live in a country with a militaristic police force like in Italy or Spain.


  • #6634
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    This is it wrote: »
    Trying to keep people away from each other to slow/avoid the spread of a highly contagious and deadly virus is "anti-life"?

    Gentle reminder not to feed the trolls.


  • #6635
    degsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,761 ✭✭✭degsie


    https://www.mapdevelopers.com/draw-circle-tool.php

    Enter your address and a range of 2km to find the limits of your restricted area.


  • #6636
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Was thinking how to deal with people not doing the restrictions. Most who would have time / opportunity to mess around that way would be on pandemic payment, or already on SW, or their parents would be on such now due to closures. Not all but a good amount.
    So. Out larking, taking the proverbial, then PPSN taken on the spot and deduction of 100 from payment. Could all be done digitally.

    Hmmm, maybe I have the black heart of a technocratic dictator. Oh well... :)


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  • #6637
    ihdxwz4a3pem9j
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭ihdxwz4a3pem9j


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

    According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

    Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

    So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks for every 20,000 that are infected, that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

    Even if we ramp up the ICU spaces by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

    The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

    We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

    We are not prolonging the inevitable. The more that we clog up the health services, and deplete our resources, the less effective they are. We have ways and means of expanding the current critical care beds numbers to accommodate in a controlled fashion. However, this number is not infinite. If we just let everybody catch the virus, then the number of needy will far outweigh the number. And we will end up with far more outraged people on boards, not understanding why their loved ones are dying, due to lack of resources. Furthermore, there will be indirect morbidity and mortality from people who die because they do not have their heart-attack treated within 90 minutes (as per current practice) or a stroke treated within 4.5 hours (as per current practice) because of an overwhelmed service

    I think that we have to look at all our loved-ones. Are we willing to gamble with their lives, to save an economy that is already doomed? Ireland is a compassionate society. And we are resilient. We got through so much hardship. One rocky economic patch will not define our history. Turning our backs on the sick and needy will!


  • #6638
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I blame the education system for producing people who can't understand that a lockdown is pointless and futile. When it ends cases will surge. You can't continuously lock people down for a couple of years hoping to develop a vaccine.

    Vaccine is not the end game at least in the medium term. You get the outbreak under control. So when you reopen you then have some immunity in the population, the infrastructure in place to test, you can isolate people very quickly and you have an educated population on the subject. This all gives you the ability in the aftermath to operate in some normaility with the ability to control clusters and care for people who do get sick without a rampant population wide outbreak that overwhelms the system.


  • #6639
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭paul71


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    No he didn't you pillock.


    Have you educated yourself yet on what a law is, or are you going to continue to dribble nonsense onto your keyboard?


  • #6640
    CaoinDory
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭CaoinDory


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Was thinking how to deal with people not doing the restrictions.

    Tempted to buy a shotgun... or a sniper. Take those gob****es out from the comfort of my home. ;)


  • #6641
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,773 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Frederick Shrilling Sinner wrote: »
    I honestly think people like him don't believe the crap they spout. They know they can make money off it, just like Alex Jones. And there's plenty of idiots who lap it up. Isn't Dave a born again Christian?

    From what I've seen of him, he's always just come across as a sneering wanker of the lowest kind.


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  • #6642
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    CaoinDory wrote: »
    It's funny. So many ppl before were claiming WHO hadn't asked for a lockdown and so it wasnt necessary so eff off.

    Now it's been confirmed by WHO (and multiple health care workers right here on this thread) and they are still managing to come up with excuses as to why it's not necessary.

    A-holes will be a-holes I suppose. I bet these are the same a-holes who decide it's perfectly fine to go swimming I'm the sea during orange and red weather alerts. They dont care about the lives they put at risk... once they get to do what they want to do. Hopefully this virus will wipe them out... like they deserve!

    It's not people disagree with the lockdown, it's the idiots that think we can do this for months with no social and mental issues after it.


  • #6643
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,678 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Are there any Garda checkpoints? Quite a few reports of them around the city

    I’ve passed a few. They’re only offering advice to people, they don’t seem to have any enforcement powers.


  • #6644
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Tandey


    statesaver wrote: »
    Well, they can feck right off

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1243617774922076167

    Hmm surely it should be cabin virus🀔


  • #6645
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    260 new deaths in last 24 hours in UK.


  • #6646
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Genuine question.
    Family of 4, we want to go on a walk within 2km of the house for some brief exercise together. Are we allowed?

    Then 2 families see you doing it so think fine they'll do it
    Then each of those 2 families are seen by 2 families so think fine they'll do it
    Then each...

    Where am I going with this...


  • #6647
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    UK: 260 New deaths


    https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1243902123848458246?s=19


  • #6648
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

    According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

    Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

    So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks for every 20,000 that are infected, that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

    Even if we ramp up the ICU spaces by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

    The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

    We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

    Only the incredibly stupid cannot see and understand this.


  • #6649
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    CaoinDory wrote: »
    Tempted to buy a shotgun... or a sniper. Take those gob****es out from the comfort of my home. ;)

    Hehe. I maybe be a technocratic dictator...but you are badder!


  • #6650
    CaoinDory
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭CaoinDory


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It's not people disagree with the lockdown, it's the idiots that think we can do this for months with no social and mental issues after it.

    Who the hell ever stated that this could be done without social or mental issues after the fact? I've not seen one post to that effect.

    Of course this will effect us in those ways! But those are things we cam come back from (speaking from personal experience). Thks virus is KILLING PEOPLE!!!!


  • #6651
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Is there any clarity as to whether you can have an walk with wife or must you be alone?


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  • #6652
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭paul71


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    I’ve passed a few. They’re only offering advice to people, they don’t seem to have any enforcement powers.

    Not having enforcement powers and using discretion in executing those powers are 2 different things.


  • #6653
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    magma69 wrote: »
    Suck it up ffs. The measure are in place to save lives, if that means having a bit of anxiety due to being cooped up then so be it.

    When did we turn into such a pack of pussies? Dozens of millions went out to die in wars not too long ago in emergencies and we're being asked to just stay at home for a few weeks. Put on your big boy/girl pants now and do your bit.

    Yep ... I’ve seen elsewhere someone saying previous generations were asked to go to war to save their countrymen and coped with it, and when current generations are asked to stay at home and watch Netflix to save their countrymen some find it difficult.

    I know it’s not everyone, but still some people needs to put things into perspective ...


  • #6654
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Is there any clarity as to whether you can have an walk with wife or must you be alone?

    It's all spelled out by what was said last night


  • #6655
    rahmalec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭rahmalec


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Only the incredibly stupid cannot see and understand this.

    I think the idea is to get the spread under control for the moment, then reopen things slowly. By then testing would have ramped up and any flare ups can be detected quickly, all contacts traced and quarantined. That would have to go on for a while.


  • #6656
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Just found out the husband of a colleague of mine took his own life yesterday. He leaves behind a wife and six children. Invisible impact of this pandemic is/will be huge.


  • #6657
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    CaoinDory wrote: »
    Who the hell ever stated that this could be done without social or mental issues after the fact? I've not seen one post to that effect.

    Of course this will effect us in those ways! But those are things we cam come back from (speaking from personal experience). Thks virus is KILLING PEOPLE!!!!

    You not think mental issues is killing people, I guarantee a lot more young people will die from mental issues in this country than the virus will ever kill.


  • #6658
    inatissy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭inatissy


    Tandey wrote: »
    Anne Fank did die as a 15 year old teenager from a disease. However it was Completely different time and environment. Not comparable to a whinger on a Irish message board in 2020.

    Yes but she was locked inside for 2 years with less than we have.


  • #6659
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Is there any clarity as to whether you can have an walk with wife or must you be alone?
    I'm telling her I have to walk alone.


  • #6660
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Is there any clarity as to whether you can have an walk with wife or must you be alone?

    Wishful thinking ;):)


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  • #6661
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Is there any clarity as to whether you can have an walk with wife or must you be alone?

    You can walk with YOUR wife, not a random one


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