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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #6422
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Are we sure this privatized medicine is the right course for Ireland ?
    No, it most certainly isn't but some in the insurance and medical industries would love to replicate the price gouging utter bastards of the American model elsewhere.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #6423
    lillycakes2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭lillycakes2


    the over 70's , are they not allowed go for a walk on a country road?


  • #6424
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    completedit wrote: »
    One thing about this crisis, it just shows how absolutely petrified by death we all are. Doesn’t matter if you’re 90 or 40, once you reach the age where the tho7ht of mortality becomes a part of your immediate future, we will do everything to stop it, including shutting down whole economies leading to economic catastrophe so a 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home.

    We shouldn’t fear death, will come to us all but humanity acts as if death is not a universal experience. Just have to hope there is something beyond.
    We will of course fear death when it is somewhat preventable and it's long before our time.


  • #6425
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    completedit wrote: »
    One thing about this crisis, it just shows how absolutely petrified by death we all are. Doesn’t matter if you’re 90 or 40, once you reach the age where the tho7ht of mortality becomes a part of your immediate future, we will do everything to stop it, including shutting down whole economies leading to economic catastrophe so a 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home.

    We shouldn’t fear death, will come to us all but humanity acts as if death is not a universal experience. Just have to hope there is something beyond.

    1) We are not all petrified by death. I'm not. It happens to all of us.
    2) Based on UK figures, the average 90 year old man can expect another 4.1 years of life and woman, 4.7 years of life. That's way more than just a "few more months in a nursing home".
    3) Nobody acts like death is not a universal experience. People are acting like they want to keep as many people alive as possible. If the hospitals are full of covid19 patients, how do you expect people with other diseases and turns to be treated? Or are you actually suggesting that everyone ill with covid19 should be just left somewhere to die without treatment?


  • #6426
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    completedit wrote: »
    1. I wouldn’t want to be in a nursing home
    2. If I was 90 I would be scared but accept that I’ve had a long and good life and probably would want to be out of said nursing home

    How do you know I’m heartless. Humanity does act as if death won’t come to us all. And that’s what Has stood out to me from all of this. Doesn’t mean it isn’t sad or tragic or that ai want people to die

    Believe it or not most people want to see their 90 year old relatives live. And most 90 year old's want to see their grand-kids move through life.

    I have a relative close to 90 still full of life ,who still does some farming and makes the point of buying himself a brand new car every year. The farming keeps him going.

    There are some extraordinarily fit and healthy elderly out there. These people gave so much to the country during their lives, so treat them with the dignity they deserve.


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  • #6427
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    the over 70's , are they not allowed go for a walk on a country road?

    No.


  • #6428
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    People saying we should sign a deal with the UK to take some of our patients when it's more likely we'd end up having to import some of the herd.


  • #6429
    riffmongous
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Aye just got stopped by the Gardai, told them I was going to the Chemist, was actually just popping to the Supermarket for a shop, fair play to them for asking, but there's not much they can do if you just say Pharmacy or Supermarket. Unless they pull you over on the M50 :)

    Yeah they shouldn't bother otherwise anyway, control the parking spots out near the beaches and walks and parks, that's the whole point of it and where any excuse won't work


  • #6430
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,773 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    So the poor lady is being triaged even before she reaches the hospital !

    A lot of Americans have their health insurance tied to their employment. With the current downturn, the loss of the job also means loss of health insurance and an average bill of $35,000 for Covid treatment.

    If ICU is involved in the treatment the cost becomes astronomical for the average individual.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/coronavirus-pandemic-americans-health-insurance

    Ever since Mary Harney started the rush to private medicine in this country, the number of private hospitals has mushroomed and the public hospitals have been starved of resources.

    Are we sure this privatized medicine is the right course for Ireland ?

    Personally, I know my own answer to that. But I think after all of this nonsense is over, others may be having a serious rethink about privatised health care.


  • #6431
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Good point. Didn’t think about it like that. Get the whole at capacity and it’s not just people with Corona Virus who are suffering(even said so much in the last thread) but deducting my argument to its natural end I’m left with deciding whether I believe someone critical with Corona should be left untreated which I obviously don’t.


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  • #6432
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    the over 70's , are they not allowed go for a walk on a country road?

    THey are advised to cocoon so to speak but what they choose to do is up to them once its withing 2km radius of their house apart from shopping and medicine


  • #6433
    Steer55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭Steer55


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Well that all we fecking need now. Traffic backed up and a Guard spreading the love to each and every one.


    Hope they all carry battons so they can hammer the spitters out there


  • #6434
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    completedit wrote: »
    One thing about this crisis, it just shows how absolutely petrified by death we all are. Doesn’t matter if you’re 90 or 40, once you reach the age where the tho7ht of mortality becomes a part of your immediate future, we will do everything to stop it, including shutting down whole economies leading to economic catastrophe so a 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home.

    We shouldn’t fear death, will come to us all but humanity acts as if death is not a universal experience. Just have to hope there is something beyond.

    A 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home?

    Do you realize a young 16 year old died in France? Australia is diagnosing coronavirus in kids, seems like they aren't immune after all.


  • #6435
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    lillycakes2 wrote: »
    the over 70's , are they not allowed go for a walk on a country road?
    This seems to be the case.
    Shielding, or cocooning, is to be introduced for everyone over 70 years of age and other vulnerable categories of people, effectively requiring them to stay at home.


  • #6436
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭jams100


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Yes, yes we do.

    Still thickos out running, cycling, going to the off licence etc..

    What is the problem with running?
    Many people keep saying that, it is allowed like.
    For mental health alone people should try get out and do 1 walk a day unless in the vulnerable category. My feeling is that this is going to go on for a lot more than 2 weeks anyway


  • #6437
    [Deleted User]
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    A 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home?

    Do you realize a young 16 year old died in France? Australia is diagnosing coronavirus in kids, seems like they aren't immune after all.

    You really need to swap usernames with that muppet.


  • #6438
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    My brother in law sent me this, a little bit of humour, probably has been posted here about 500 times but what the hell here it is again.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #6439
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jams100 wrote: »
    What is the problem with running?
    Many people keep saying that, it is allowed like.
    For mental health alone people should try get out and do 1 walk a day unless in the vulnerable category. My feeling is that this is going to go on for a lot more than 2 weeks anyway
    Observe all the guidelines and that 2km limit and you should be fine.


  • #6440
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Just a thought -

    Would decompression units, as used by divers, assist breathing for people with respiratory problems?

    There may be quite a few of these units around, the navy, garda divers, commercial divers, sports divers, etc. surely have access in case of emergency

    Bear in mind that these units allow for various mixes so oxygen level could be increased


  • #6441
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    We could always take the South African approach:

    "South African police enforcing a coronavirus lockdown have fired rubber bullets towards hundreds of shoppers queueing outside a supermarket in Johannesburg, an AFP photographer has said."

    Guardian blog


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  • #6442
    dan786
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭dan786


    For those asking about construction:

    In a statement, the Construction Industry Federation said all members should secure construction sites immediately and construction workers should stay at home.

    It recommended that CIF members sending teams to secure sites should call ahead to gardaí to inform them.

    The CIF said it is ready to help combat Covid-19 in any way possible and will continue to engage with the Government and the HSE to explore ways the industry can contribute.


  • #6443
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Aye just got stopped by the Gardai, told them I was going to the Chemist, was actually just popping to the Supermarket for a shop, fair play to them for asking, but there's not much they can do if you just say Pharmacy or Supermarket. Unless they pull you over on the M50 :)

    How did they approach you, as a matter of interest? Did they say not to open your window or were they 2m back from you?


  • #6444
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Why would we want to import UK cases? They're heading for a catastrophic situation. We have enough to deal with here with our own cases.

    Ireland is also heading into a catastrophic situation. The amount of people on this thread who can't see that is very sizeable. WHO have said closing airports at this stage will not make any difference. UK already help Ireland with medical issues severe cases in the past have been airlifted to Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital in London.


  • #6445
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Just a thought -

    Would decompression units, as used by divers, assist breathing for people with respiratory problems?

    There may be quite a few of these units around, the navy, garda divers, commercial divers, sports divers, etc. surely have access in case of emergency

    Bear in mind that these units allow for various mixes so oxygen level could be increased

    I was wondering about the use of Cystic Fibrosis drugs to help move the fluid off the lungs but I presuming that theyve thought of that


  • #6446
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Why not?
    You can just not compare the resources that the UK has, vs the resources that Ireland has.
    I will just name the UK armed forces, they have got medics, can built camp hospitals...
    And the industrial sector in the UK.

    There is a a consortium called Ventilator Challenge UK, involving companies including Airbus, Rolls-Royce and Ford.
    Ireland just does not have all these industrial plants on its soil.


  • #6447
    darjeeling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    otnomart wrote: »
    Nextstrain is visualising data from the GISAID Initiative - the international sharing of virus sequences https://www.gisaid.org/
    Today, one more sequence from Ireland has been posted in Nextstrain, for a total of 5 sequences: 3 from Limerick, one from Dublin, one from Cork
    https://nextstrain.org/ncov?f_country=Ireland

    Iceland put their virus genome sequences up today.

    334 of them! That's over a third of the cases recorded to date.

    With that level of coverage they can actually begin to see who's passing it to whom from the sequence alone, so it potentially becomes a useful tool for linking cases when doing contact tracing.

    https://nextstrain.org/ncov?f_country=Iceland&l=radial&m=div&p=full


  • #6448
    riffmongous
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I know it's best to wash clothes. What I meant was is there anything else to use other than bleach for disinfecting surfaces. I always manage to get bleach on my clothes and it ruins them. I've been colouring in bleach stains on my clothes with permanent markers to try and fix the bleach stains.

    Soap! If it's just this virus that is your main concern. Just always leave it for a while, then rinse it off afterwards


  • #6449
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭paul71


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Wow folks we have a rebel here.

    He is not a rebel, he is a simpleton who does not understand what a law is.


  • #6450
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    UK already help Ireland with medical issues severe cases have been airlifted to Great Ormond Street in London.
    That's good, I didn't know that, thanks.


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  • #6451
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,091 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Genuine question.
    Family of 4, we want to go on a walk within 2km of the house for some brief exercise together. Are we allowed?


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