CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

GeorgeBailey · 28-03-2020 01:46PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

It's a shame about Dave Cullen imo. Seems like a lovely guy, articulate, great communicating/delivery. Can't understand how he's gotten sucked into that world.

Money.

paleoperson · 28-03-2020 01:47PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

"We are living 1984" - one commenter. I doubt they've read it. The irony of people comparing these restrictions to fascism or communism... the only alternative (which they won't admit) would be letting folk get seriously ill/die in their droves. Like a mass cull. Hmmm.

It's a shame about Dave Cullen imo. Seems like a lovely guy, articulate, great communicating/delivery. Can't understand how he's gotten sucked into that world.

Agreed, indeed I like and agree with several of Dave Cullen viewpoints and some of his videos very good. I don't know whether it's my catholic upbringing, but I even have a certain respect for John Waters

and agree with him now and again. However on issues like this it's hard to not lose all respect for them!

Yester · 28-03-2020 01:48PM

Are vape shops closed? I know it's trivial in the scheme of things but I switched from smoking to vaping a couple of days ago and didn't stock up.

Kerry25x · 28-03-2020 01:48PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Now saying 13 hours to queue. What’s the story with this?

Told me "more than one hour" yesterday, ended up being close to 11 hours in the end. Didn't even end up buying anything after.

73bc61lyohr0mu · 28-03-2020 01:48PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

"We are living 1984" - one commenter. I doubt they've read it. The irony of people comparing these restrictions to fascism or communism... the only alternative (which they won't admit) would be letting folk get seriously ill/die in their droves. Like a mass cull. Hmmm.

It's a shame about Dave Cullen imo. Seems like a lovely guy, articulate, great communicating/delivery. Can't understand how he's gotten sucked into that world.

I honestly think people like him don't believe the crap they spout. They know they can make money off it, just like Alex Jones. And there's plenty of idiots who lap it up. Isn't Dave a born again Christian?

Kermit.de.frog · 28-03-2020 01:48PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

"We are living 1984" - one commenter. I doubt they've read it. The irony of people comparing these restrictions to fascism or communism... the only alternative (which they won't admit) would be letting folk get seriously ill/die in their droves. Like a mass cull. Hmmm.

It's a shame about Dave Cullen imo. Seems like a lovely guy, articulate, great communicating/delivery. Can't understand how he's gotten sucked into that world.

I have seen once rational people I know sucked in to it too.

The whole world is a big conspiracy against them.

It sad to see. Seems to only take one conspiracy theory and a few youtube videos to have people go crazy.

Think about the effort and determination you have to have to put out videos like that week after week.

is_that_so · 28-03-2020 01:48PM

Mr.S wrote: »

"i'm going to the shop"

They aren't arresting people for leaving the house like!

Garda checkpoints, 2km exclusion zones and the like do give the impression we are even more restricted and it adds to people's anxieties.

MintyMagnum · 28-03-2020 01:49PM

doylefe wrote: »

Suppose I'll do the whole clean the house thing I always intend to do.

Me too. I wouldn't like a paramedic showing up unexpectedly!

Mervyn Skidmore · 28-03-2020 01:49PM

paul71 wrote: »

That poster is clearly deranged, he is spouting this rubbish for days. His attitude reminds of the 2 filthy maggots spitting at Gardai on Monday.

Incidentally the same 2 filthy maggots who were denied Bail on Wednesday. Such is the fate of fools who think laws don't apply to them.

Were they denied bail in the High Court? That's surprising, and good if true.

posturingpat · 28-03-2020 01:50PM

magma69 wrote: »

Suck it up ffs. The measure are in place to save lives, if that means having a bit of anxiety due to being cooped up then so be it.

When did we turn into such a pack of pussies? Dozens of millions went out to die in wars not too long ago in emergencies and we're being asked to just stay at home for a few weeks. Put on your big boy/pants now and do your bit.

I'm with you on this one, I've had people crying about anxiety, dying for a pint,not getting to hug nieces/nephews etc.
And I'm thinking what kind of selfish bastards are you that you can't forget about yourself for a few weeks and just do what you can to take care of your countries people :mad:

10000maniacs · 28-03-2020 01:50PM

Yester wrote: »

Are vape shops closed? I know it's trivial in the scheme of things but I switched from smoking to vaping a couple of days ago and didn't stock up.

Its amazing how seemless Nicorette is to get you over that hurdle.

is_that_so · 28-03-2020 01:50PM

magma69 wrote: »

Suck it up ffs. The measure are in place to save lives, if that means having a bit of anxiety due to being cooped up then so be it.

When did we turn into such a pack of pussies? Dozens of millions went out to die in wars not too long ago in emergencies and we're being asked to just stay at home for a few weeks. Put on your big boy/pants now and do your bit.

And our thanks to the manager of the U10s for that spirited motivational talk!

Tandey · 28-03-2020 01:51PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They can go back when the queues are shorter, supplies will still be there.

Don't waste a day needlessly queuing.

I’d imagine some people have nothing else to be doing or aren’t arsed doing anything else.

Maybe they need a bit of food that’s why they are there

I know you’re a frog and all but don’t be jumping to conclusions..

Hobgoblin11 · 28-03-2020 01:51PM

Multipass wrote: »

Is this happening already? There’s nothing in the news about it, I didn’t think they’d reached capacity yet.

It’s happening all over the world right now , fact

magma69 · 28-03-2020 01:52PM

is_that_so wrote: »

And our thanks to the manager of the U10s for that spirited motivational talk!

Felt like I was talking to a child alright.

Raconteuse · 28-03-2020 01:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ignoring what he said, there is a serious concern suicides will rocket as people worry how they are going feed their families. This cannot be ignored.

rusty cole wrote: »

not entirely to be fair. indoors a long time will drop your Vitamin D. this is linked to mood and has been used to help people with depression, as has special lighting.

So YES if someone was high risk and volatile, what's to say they wont do it. The word Vulnerable doesn't just mean older or underlying, a lot of people will struggle. It's foolish to dismiss everything people say just because it may not be articulated correctly, he has a point.

But nobody is denying this. What's the alternative though?

At least in this day and age there are so many online resources and modes of communication for people to reach out to. I'd say there are counsellors even doing voluntary sessions by video.

Logan Roy wrote: »

It’s completely unrealistic. China is already after reopening after 2 months and they had it a lot worse than we did. People need to get a grip, shutting down most of the economy for months on end isn’t feasible.

I have a grip - a tight one. The Chinese authorities were able to implement a harsh lockdown. That's not possible in democracies - people will continue to go out in close groups. That was stopped in China. Good bit longer than two months also. It's very much phased. And now they're expecting another wave of it from people coming into the country.

I'd compare Ireland to a western democracy. While I doubt (but don't know either) that it'll get as bad as Italy, two months won't be enough for them - not a hope.

Tandey · 28-03-2020 01:53PM

Yester wrote: »

Are vape shops closed? I know it's trivial in the scheme of things but I switched from smoking to vaping a couple of days ago and didn't stock up.

I wouldn’t hold my breath if I was you tbh.

inatissy · 28-03-2020 01:53PM

magma69 wrote: »

Suck it up ffs. The measure are in place to save lives, if that means having a bit of anxiety due to being cooped up then so be it.

When did we turn into such a pack of pussies? Dozens of millions went out to die in wars not too long ago in emergencies and we're being asked to just stay at home for a few weeks. Put on your big boy/girl pants now and do your bit.

Totally agree. Look at Anne Frank able to deal with so much more and just a teenager.

facehugger99 · 28-03-2020 01:54PM

The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks for every 20,000 that are infected, that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

Even if we ramp up the ICU spaces by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

podgeandrodge · 28-03-2020 01:54PM

Tandey wrote: »

I wouldn’t hold my breath if I was you tbh.

I see what you did there. I nearly missed it!

paul71 · 28-03-2020 01:55PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Were they denied bail in the High Court? That's surprising, and good if true.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0326/1126642-spit/

District court, cannot see their solicitor wasting time going to the high court on it.

is_that_so · 28-03-2020 01:55PM

magma69 wrote: »

Felt like I was talking to a child alright.

People process this differently. As someone said to me earlier it can come at you unexpectedly. Gotta keep the mental side on an even keel!

gozunda · 28-03-2020 01:56PM

otnomart wrote: »

That's great, but it is one only plant, isn't it ?

Think about all the factories still in the UK.
Factories have been redeployed to produce goods that are useful in this epidemic.

In France, perfume factories are now producing disinfectants; in Italy, textile factories are now producing hospital gowns and face marks.

If you don't have many factories on your home soil, you can not redeploy them.

We have distilleries which have started producing hand Sanitiser

We have a company producing ventilators

We gave a manufacturer of Facemasks who the HSE have contracted directly

We have one company in Donegal producing scrubs for medical personal. Another in the North is doing the same there.

We have a fair few (plastic) injection moulding companies who could be repurposed to make essential components for medical equipment and PPE

I'm sure there are others ...

We are not without resources and skills ...

darjeeling · 28-03-2020 01:56PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, I can see an iterative approach; lockdown, release, repeat. Gradually build up immunity. The vaccine is still a long way off. Hopefully we will find an effective treatment soon.

Models have shown this method for attaining herd immunity would itself take years, though that's based on current health system capacity.

Iceland looks to be trying to test, contact-trace and quarantine its way to stamping out the epidemic. That may be the best way.

But then we'd still have to spend another year waiting for a vaccine while living in a world where no-one can travel abroad without spending 2 weeks quarantined on arrival and again on return.

Risteard81 · 28-03-2020 01:56PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

There's a few of them. Totally sneering at and undermining the seriousness of it. Truly nasty.

No-one's undermining the seriousness of it. You're ignoring the seriousness of Leo's diktats however and their anti-life effects.

pjohnson · 28-03-2020 01:56PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks per 20,000 to be infected that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

Even if we ramp up the ICU spaced by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

Oh go preach to Italy and Spain about how important the economy is and see where that gets you. Most humans value human life.

inatissy · 28-03-2020 01:57PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks per 20,000 to be infected that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

Even if we ramp up the ICU spaced by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

Haha I mustn't even have half a brain so.

Ulysses Gaze · 28-03-2020 01:57PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The lockdown isn't going to work, anyone with access to half a brain and a calculator can see this.

According to Varadkar we're already nearly at ICU capacity after a couple of thousand confirmed cases and a few weeks in.

Even if we assume that there's actually 10 times the number of confirmed cases in the country, then we've around 20,000 infected out of 4.8 million and we're at capacity.

So, if we want to spread this out so ICU's don't get overwhelmed and need 2 weeks for every 20,000 that are infected, that works out at maintaining a lockdown for 480 weeks.

Even if we ramp up the ICU spaces by 4 times, that's 120 weeks we need to lock down.

The economy will be fcuked after 4 months of this - and there won't be money to borrow.

We're doing nothing now other than prolonging the inevitable while fcuking the economy at the same time.

What's the alternative?

Raconteuse · 28-03-2020 01:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

People process this differently. As someone said to me earlier it can come at you unexpectedly. Gotta keep the mental side on an even keel!

That is true, but having some perspective is important

statesaver · 28-03-2020 01:58PM

Well, they can feck right off

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1243617774922076167

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03