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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #6512
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Every country is doing herd immunity. Just trying to stagger it out over a number of weeks/months

    Yeah, I can see an iterative approach; lockdown, release, repeat. Gradually build up immunity. The vaccine is still a long way off. Hopefully we will find an effective treatment soon.


  • #6513
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    wadacrack wrote: »
    6-8 weeks I would say

    It might be longer than that.

    It was hoped that the virus will slow down during the summer months but that's doubtful now according to the EU disease council or whatever it's called.


    This is an article about the 1918 Spanish flu and flattening of the curve in the states at the time:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=crm-email::src=ngp::cmp=editorial::add=SpecialEdition_20200327&rid=E7B89CB310336808CB72CD1DE46163AC&utm_source=reddit.com


    We're in this for the long haul.


  • #6514
    Sammy2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    A relative of mine is nursing in london and they are taking ventilators off older people to give them to younger people so I'm sure they have no space to help us out regarding extra capacity when they havent enough for themselves.


  • #6515
    zinfandel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I was up at our local food market this morning and even though there were still a good few over-70's, flouting the cocooning advice while pottering around buying their organic fruit and veg, I could tell they were grateful that we had agreed to flush our economy down the toilet for them.


    can someone explain how the cocooning thing works if you are over 70 with underlying conditions, you cant get food deliveries as they have either been cancelled or next date is 3 weeks time. not everybody has family nearby and the local volunteer services in the most part are closed.


  • #6516
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    celticWario wrote: »
    I though the Herd Immunity strategy was flawed?

    It isn't herd immunity as such they are going for. The article I linked to goes into a bit more detail but essentially they believe that current models that are based on other outbreaks and data inputs from high population-dense countries don't apply to them. They are using their own models to predict when and how to act based on a sparse population and only one real metropolitan area. They are also flying in the face of other ideas around that virus. Only time will tell if they are doing the right thing. The main issue I have with taking a completely different path is that if you turn out to be wrong it is too late to put the genie back in the bottle as England are finding out.


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  • #6517
    dodzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,478 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    jams100 wrote: »
    Think our family will kill each other after 2 weeks :)

    2 weeks ?! Jesus, we will never see 2 weeks.


  • #6518
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    pjohnson wrote: »
    I'd say the education system for producing people like that tbh.

    I blame the education system for producing people who can't understand that a lockdown is pointless and futile. When it ends cases will surge. You can't continuously lock people down for a couple of years hoping to develop a vaccine. Suicides will rocket.

    A 19 year old killed herself in England the other day because of the thought of indefinite lockdowns and restrictions. By supporting these actions you are promoting genocide.

    Leo's totalitarian tendencies are dangerous and he is an enemy of the country.


  • #6519
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭jams100


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Quite a callous thing to say. The people dying of Covid are dying alone in ICU with family members not allowed anywhere near them.....a horrendous situation for any family.


    When I said great report I meant interesting report, my bad. I think what sky news were getting at was that 97% of cases so far in Britain had underlying issnesses. Again I would be interested to know how they defined short term


  • #6520
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    zinfandel wrote: »
    can someone explain how the cocooning thing works if you are over 70 with underlying conditions, you cant get food deliveries as they have either been cancelled or next date is 3 weeks time. not everybody has family nearby and the local volunteer services in the most part are closed.

    Ring an garda siochanna and ask if there are any new volunteering bodies in your area.

    A lot of gaa clubs and similar are doing shopping runs for people.


  • #6521
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Just went out to the shed to put the washing in the dryer. Don't worry lads I wore a full biohazard suit and disinfected it after coming back inside.


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  • #6522
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭History Queen


    zinfandel wrote: »
    can someone explain how the cocooning thing works if you are over 70 with underlying conditions, you cant get food deliveries as they have either been cancelled or next date is 3 weeks time. not everybody has family nearby and the local volunteer services in the most part are closed.

    Some stores offer click and collect and seem to have more availability. Our local supervalue take your order and payment online. You pull up outside the shop in your car and they load shopping in to your boot. Not ideal obviously but less exposure than going shopping yourself? (Assuming you drive) i think some Tesco's offer a similar service.


  • #6523
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    doylefe wrote: »
    Suppose I'll do the whole clean the house thing I always intend to do.
    I think we need a thread on that! Corona house cleaning tips!


  • #6524
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    owlbethere wrote: »
    It might be longer than that.

    It was hoped that the virus will slow down during the summer months but that's doubtful now according to the EU disease council or whatever it's called.


    This is an article about the 1918 Spanish flu and flattening of the curve in the states at the time:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=crm-email::src=ngp::cmp=editorial::add=SpecialEdition_20200327&rid=E7B89CB310336808CB72CD1DE46163AC&utm_source=reddit.com


    We're in this for the long haul.

    That's an interesting link


  • #6525
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I blame the education system for producing people who can't understand that a lockdown is pointless and futile. When it ends cases will surge. You can't continuously lock people down for a couple of years hoping to develop a vaccine. Suicides will rocket.

    A 19 year old killed herself in England the other day because of the thought of indefinite lockdowns and restrictions. By supporting these actions you are promoting genocide.

    Leo's totalitarian tendencies are dangerous and he is an enemy of the country.

    FFS


  • #6526
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I blame the education system for producing people who can't understand that a lockdown is pointless and futile. When it ends cases will surge. You can't continuously lock people down for a couple of years hoping to develop a vaccine. Suicides will rocket.

    A 19 year old killed herself in England the other day because of the thought of indefinite lockdowns and restrictions. By supporting these actions you are promoting genocide.

    Leo's totalitarian tendencies are dangerous and he is an enemy of the country.

    Parents are the primary educators


  • #6527
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    zinfandel wrote: »
    can someone explain how the cocooning thing works if you are over 70 with underlying conditions, you cant get food deliveries as they have either been cancelled or next date is 3 weeks time. not everybody has family nearby and the local volunteer services in the most part are closed.

    GAA clubs, An Post and Gardaí are all volunteering to do home deliveries.


  • #6528
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I blame the education system for producing people who can't understand that a lockdown is pointless and futile. When it ends cases will surge. You can't continuously lock people down for a couple of years hoping to develop a vaccine. Suicides will rocket.

    A 19 year old killed herself in England the other day because of the thought of indefinite lockdowns and restrictions. By supporting these actions you are promoting genocide.

    Leo's totalitarian tendencies are dangerous and he is an enemy of the country.

    Ah here, I can't bloody well stand Leo but he's doing what many other countries are doing and need to do. You're mad to think Leo as some sort of dictator.


  • #6529
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,206 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Where's Grace7 is she still posting?

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #6530
    hot buttered scones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    Downlinz wrote: »
    The message last need was that it had to be individual unless with kids, the message from the HSE today appears to indicate it's ok if within the same household.
    Both insist on 2m distancing though so regardless you're not going to be allowed walk side by side.

    The 2m distancing applies to people who are not members of your household. You can go for walks etc. within a 2km radius from your house with members of your own household as long as you maintain a 2m from people who aren't members of your household.


  • #6531
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I blame the education system for producing people who can't understand that a lockdown is pointless and futile. When it ends cases will surge. You can't continuously lock people down for a couple of years hoping to develop a vaccine. Suicides will rocket.

    A 19 year old killed herself in England the other day because of the thought of indefinite lockdowns and restrictions. By supporting these actions you are promoting genocide.

    Leo's totalitarian tendencies are dangerous and he is an enemy of the country.

    It will end one of three ways

    1. An antiviral drug that can be taken for two weeks and significantly reduces symptoms from the virus. Several existing drugs are being trialed for this purpose. If one passes trials as being effective it could be in use in 6 weeks.

    2. A good pin prick home blood test that can detect people with the virus and those who have been infected and process results in less than an hour without labs. Several are in development. Some governments have rejected some of them as not being sensitive enough.

    3. A vaccine in 18 months or so.


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  • #6532
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I blame the education system for producing people who can't understand that a lockdown is pointless and futile. When it ends cases will surge. You can't continuously lock people down for a couple of years hoping to develop a vaccine. Suicides will rocket.

    A 19 year old killed herself in England the other day because of the thought of indefinite lockdowns and restrictions. By supporting these actions you are promoting genocide.

    Leo's totalitarian tendencies are dangerous and he is an enemy of the country.

    One of the dumbest posts I’ve seen here, congrats.


  • #6533
    Monitor1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 ✭Monitor1985


    Is there any site dedicated to Irelands curve chart? To show where we could have been without the implemented restrictions and where we are heading with current restrictions?


  • #6534
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    doylefe wrote: »
    Just went out to the shed to put the washing in the dryer. Don't worry lads I wore a full biohazard suit and disinfected it after coming back inside.

    Remember to strip naked at door, hang bio suit outside and shower and wash behind yours ears and bellybutton:D


  • #6535
    TommyKnocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/JamieRo15001383/status/1243877203021942786


    No need for such queues. Enough for everyone.
    Queues are like that as only a few people being allowed into the store at the same time to facilitate social distancing inside the store. So people need to wait their turn to get into store. The people keep their distance in the queue.



    I had the same in my Dunne's yesterday, in a queue for almost 1 hour before I got inside the store. Inside the shopping center there is yellow/black tape on the floor every 2m to show spacing. Outside people just used common sense and most were more than 2m apart tbf.


    Shop was not crowded at all and was reasonably well stocked with the normally carried brands, no real shortages of anything that I seen. Only in the frozen veg section did I notice most of the products were Dunne's own brand rather than green isle, Birds eye etc.


  • #6536
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Such an agreement would be reciprocal, not one way.

    We are already creating more ICU beds and I don't think we should be left on the hook of potentially having to import NHS patients.

    It’s almost certain we will have to help NI our, they have a chronic lack of ventilators


  • #6537
    what the hell!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭what the hell!


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    I blame the education system for producing people who can't understand that a lockdown is pointless and futile. When it ends cases will surge. You can't continuously lock people down for a couple of years hoping to develop a vaccine. Suicides will rocket.

    A 19 year old killed herself in England the other day because of the thought of indefinite lockdowns and restrictions. By supporting these actions you are promoting genocide.

    Leo's totalitarian tendencies are dangerous and he is an enemy of the country.

    Nurse! We need to up the meds again.


  • #6538
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    One of the dumbest posts I’ve seen here, congrats.
    There's a few of them. Totally sneering at and undermining the seriousness of it. Truly nasty.


  • #6539
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    jams100 wrote: »
    How long do people think this is going to last?
    I can't see these restrictions being lifted after 2 weeks, my guess is 3-4 weeks.
    Also what happens in lets say a month where it's under control to an extent and then reoccurs when restrictions are lifted?
    Realistically how long can we go on like this?
    Please no smart answers such as, 'as long as it takes' :)

    My guess is restrictions will be lifted around end of July start of August but a lot depends on the next 2 weeks. If we see massive amounts of people developing antibodies to the virus maybe the schools can start again in September. Here's hoping.


  • #6540
    CitizenFloor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭CitizenFloor


    I was trying to get my head around the whole situation, and this video really helped me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0-2XxgHIXk


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  • #6541
    dummy_crusher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭dummy_crusher


    Monitor1985 wrote: »
    Is there any site dedicated to Irelands curve chart? To show where we could have been without the implemented restrictions and where we are heading with current restrictions?

    These are based on data from a few days ago. Check that reddit user, they have probably updated them since...


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