CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

niallo27 · 28-03-2020 01:04PM

jams100 wrote: »

How long do people think this is going to last?
I can't see these restrictions being lifted after 2 weeks, my guess is 3-4 weeks.
Also what happens in lets say a month where it's under control to an extent and then reoccurs when restrictions are lifted?
Realistically how long can we go on like this?
Please no smart answers such as, 'as long as it takes'

Impossible to answer really. It really is. I'd like to see 4 weeks of this and then maybe open back up done retail.

celticWario · 28-03-2020 01:05PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Light restrictions which means schools, gyms etc remain open, this is a good article covering what is going on with them.

I though the Herd Immunity strategy was flawed?

wadacrack · 28-03-2020 01:06PM

jams100 wrote: »

How long do people think this is going to last?
I can't see these restrictions being lifted after 2 weeks, my guess is 3-4 weeks.
Also what happens in lets say a month where it's under control to an extent and then reoccurs when restrictions are lifted?
Realistically how long can we go on like this?
Please no smart answers such as, 'as long as it takes'

6-8 weeks I would say

Crybabygeeks · 28-03-2020 01:06PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I was up at our local food market this morning and even though there were still a good few over-70's, flouting the cocooning advice while pottering around buying their organic fruit and veg, I could tell they were grateful that we had agreed to flush our economy down the toilet for them.

This isn't fair. Yes, that cohort may statistically have the worst potential outcomes but we're also doing this to protect our front line workers, our vulnerable children and young adults and adults, pregnant women... Each other. This virus doesn't discriminate, we've heard and seen that in countless countries.

In general, no one is happy with this but it's here. Let's get on with it, and see how to fix the economic mess when we still have a functioning society with minimal traumatised families and healthcare workers.

c.p.w.g.w · 28-03-2020 01:09PM

otnomart wrote: »

That's great, but it is one only plant, isn't it ?

Think about all the factories still in the UK.
Factories have been redeployed to produce goods that are useful in this epidemic.

In France, perfume factories are now producing disinfectants; in Italy, textile factories are now producing hospital gowns and face marks.

If you don't have many factories on your home soil, you can not redeploy them.

O'Neill's in Tyrone are now making scrubs

Some Distilleries are making disinfectant in Ireland too

shesty · 28-03-2020 01:09PM

I think at some point economic and politics (mainly with a focus on people's sanity and ability to pay bills) will start to overtake the medical, in driving the decision making.The State cannot fund everyone to sit at home forever, and I know people say we will borrow....which we can to a point...but that cannot go on longterm.It will have to paid back, and people in this country have taken enough in the last 10 years in that sense.

The one big thing I sincerely hope comes out of all of this, is a serious conversation and an acceptance by all of us, that we must change our health system, and that we must pay more in tax in order to fund it.It has to become a huge priority, almost the no.1 priority, intensively for the short term future.

otnomart · 28-03-2020 01:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Such an agreement would be reciprocal, not one way.

We are already creating more ICU beds and I don't think we should be left on the hook of potentially having to import NHS patients.

Well, what I was trying to say is that it would be good for Ireland to have a neighbouring Country (and one with undoubtely more resources such as the UK) that could help by taking some patients when the ICUs in Ireland are full.
I personally found uplifting that Germany did that with France, and I do not doubt that the UK would help Ireland.

I now see that most people here think that Ireland can do perfectly fine in this epidemic with its own resources and with no outside help whatsoever.

For the sake of Irish patients, I do hope that the Irish Gov does not think along these lines and is ready to ask for any outside help as needed.

jams100 · 28-03-2020 01:10PM

893bet wrote: »

No one knows. That’s the high and low of it. Deal with it week by week. Day by day. Enjoy the time at home with family as best you can and pray to what ever god or person or object you want that the rest of your family/friends stay safe.

Think our family will kill each other after 2 weeks

bush · 28-03-2020 01:10PM

jams100 wrote: »

How long do people think this is going to last?
I can't see these restrictions being lifted after 2 weeks, my guess is 3-4 weeks.
Also what happens in lets say a month where it's under control to an extent and then reoccurs when restrictions are lifted?
Realistically how long can we go on like this?
Please no smart answers such as, 'as long as it takes'

I'd presume the restrictions will go up and down for months

niallo27 · 28-03-2020 01:11PM

Crybabygeeks wrote: »

This isn't fair. Yes, that cohort may statistically have the worst potential outcomes but we're also doing this to protect our front line workers, our vulnerable children and young adults and adults, pregnant women... Each other. This virus doesn't discriminate, we've heard and seen that in countless countries.

In general, no one is happy with this but it's here. Let's get on with it, and see how to fix the economic mess when we still have a functioning society with minimal traumatised families and healthcare workers.

Why do people keep saying this, children and young adults even pregnant women are not vulnerable. Of course there are a few outliers but for the vast vast vast majority it does discriminate against the older generation.

Heckler · 28-03-2020 01:11PM

Is Jim Coor the biggest troll I've ever seen or is he really that bat**** loony ?

pjohnson · 28-03-2020 01:12PM

shesty wrote: »

I think at some point economic and politics (mainly with a focus on people's sanity and ability to pay bills) will start to overtake the medical, in driving the decision making.The State cannot fund everyone to sit at home forever, and I know people say we will borrow....which we can to a point...but that cannot go on longterm.It will have to paid back, and people in this country have taken enough in the last 10 years in that sense.

The one big thing I sincerely hope comes out of all of this, is a serious conversation and an acceptance by all of us, that we must change our health system, and that we must pay more in tax in order to fund it.It has to become a huge priority, almost the no.1 priority, intensively for the short term future.

You can take this and apply it to 100+ countries in the world. Money will have to just be printed. No one in any situation to give a "loan" every country is going to be i debt looking for money.

Phoebas · 28-03-2020 01:12PM

otnomart wrote: »

Well, what I was trying to say is that it would be good for Ireland to have a neighbouring Country (and one with undoubtely more resources such as the UK) that could help by taking some patients when the ICUs in Ireland are full.

I can't imagine that there are any countries anywhere that have spare ICU capacity.

Phoebas · 28-03-2020 01:13PM

Heckler wrote: »

Is Jim Coor the biggest troll I've ever seen or is he really that bat**** loony ?

bat**** loony

jackboy · 28-03-2020 01:13PM

Heckler wrote: »

Is Jim Coor the biggest troll I've ever seen or is he really that bat**** loony ?

He really believes this stuff. Check out his Twitter, highly entertaining.

YFlyer · 28-03-2020 01:13PM

There is close to two weeks lag minimum between getting infected and verified that you're positive.

khalessi · 28-03-2020 01:14PM

otnomart wrote: »

Well, what I was trying to say is that it would be good for Ireland to have a neighbouring Country (and one with undoubtely more resources such as the UK) that could help by taking some patients when the ICUs in Ireland are full.
I personally found uplifting that Germany did that with France, and I do not doubt that the UK would help Ireland.

I now see that most people here think that Ireland can do perfectly fine in this epidemic with its own resources and with no outside help whatsoever.

For the sake of Irish patients, I do hope that the Irish Gov does not think along these lines and is ready to ask for any outside help as needed.

Well the way UK is going, if we sent patients they would have to be accompanied by frontline workers and would be put at risk.

UK cant cope as it is so sending patients from Ireland crazy

Ireland is going to be overwhelmed hence restrictions being put in place to slow the spread to lower the curve and spread out hospitalisation so they can manage better.

We can do our bit by staying home and helping to flatten out the curve so hospitals dont end up like videos from NY Italy UK that are doing the rounds

YFlyer · 28-03-2020 01:15PM

Heckler wrote: »

Is Jim Coor the biggest troll I've ever seen or is he really that bat**** loony ?

Must be driving his sisters demented.

Heckler · 28-03-2020 01:15PM

Phoebas wrote: »

bat**** loony

The effects of having 3 banging hot sisters that you can't. Must have melted his brain.

jams100 · 28-03-2020 01:16PM

shesty wrote: »

I think at some point economic and politics (mainly with a focus on people's sanity and ability to pay bills) will start to overtake the medical, in driving the decision making.The State cannot fund everyone to sit at home forever, and I know people say we will borrow....which we can to a point...but that cannot go on longterm.It will have to paid back, and people in this country have taken enough in the last 10 years in that sense.

The one big thing I sincerely hope comes out of all of this, is a serious conversation and an acceptance by all of us, that we must change our health system, and that we must pay more in tax in order to fund it.It has to become a huge priority, almost the no.1 priority, intensively for the short term future.

Sky news done a great report on what you were saying about economics taking over at some point. They were also quite glim saying something along the lines of 66% of people infected with covid-19 would've died in the short term anyway, (what short term actually means I dont know). Those figures were for Britain and from the NHS from what I gathered

bb12 · 28-03-2020 01:16PM

anybody watching bbc news at the moment? the presenter is obviously sick..sneezing and coughing uncontrollably while reading out news stories...

Sweet.Science · 28-03-2020 01:16PM

celticWario wrote: »

I though the Herd Immunity strategy was flawed?

Every country is doing herd immunity. Just trying to stagger it out over a number of weeks/months

facehugger99 · 28-03-2020 01:17PM

shesty wrote: »

that we must change our health system, and that we must pay more in tax in order to fund it.It has to become a huge priority, almost the no.1 priority, intensively for the short term future.

The health system needs to be massively reformed before we sink more billions into it.

That means taking on all the vested interests, including the likes of the nursing unions. Any Govt. that attempts to reform it will be fcuked out of office by the electorate at the earliest opportunity.

RurtBeynolds · 28-03-2020 01:17PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Just going on what Leo said maybe adults stay separate and walk with 1 kid each. Presuming it is two adults and two children in your family.

What are you talking about?

is_that_so · 28-03-2020 01:17PM

Phoebas wrote: »

I can't imagine that there are any countries anywhere that have spare ICU capacity.

The Germans do and are taking people in. French are moving some people around the country.

El Weirdo · 28-03-2020 01:17PM

otnomart wrote: »

Well, what I was trying to say is that it would be good for Ireland to have a neighbouring Country (and one with undoubtely more resources such as the UK) that could help by taking some patients when the ICUs in Ireland are full.
I personally found uplifting that Germany did that with France, and I do not doubt that the UK would help Ireland.

I now see that most people here think that Ireland can do perfectly fine in this epidemic with its own resources and with no outside help whatsoever.

For the sake of Irish patients, I do hope that the Irish Gov does not think along these lines and is ready to ask for any outside help as needed.

I have seen nothing over the past weeks to suggest that the UK will be in any sort of position to provide help to us.

bloodless_coup · 28-03-2020 01:18PM

Suppose I'll do the whole clean the house thing I always intend to do.

khalessi · 28-03-2020 01:18PM

Heckler wrote: »

Is Jim Coor the biggest troll I've ever seen or is he really that bat**** loony ?

He is unreal. Of course hospital is empty she was on outpatient corridor and in admissions which is empty because scheduled admissions cancelled but sure Jim happy to seek lizards so...

NetChat101 · 28-03-2020 01:18PM

Speak Now wrote: »

Sure you only have to say you're going to the shops, they'll be no fines.

I doubt that the gangs of young lads going around packed together in cars for the last two weeks will be believed if they say "Eh, we're just popping to the shops for the few essentials."

Strazdas · 28-03-2020 01:19PM

jams100 wrote: »

Sky news done a great report on what you were saying about economics taking over at some point. They were also quite glim saying something along the lines of 66% of people infected with covid-19 would've died in the short term anyway, (what short term actually means I dont know). Those figures were for Britain and from the NHS from what I gathered

Quite a callous thing to say. The people dying of Covid are dying alone in ICU with family members not allowed anywhere near them.....a horrendous situation for any family.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03