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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #6152
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/we-are-with-you-every-step-of-the-way-39083166.html

    The media are disappointing in this country. There is something slimy about this. The NYT made all there Coronavirus news free once it because seriously.

    The Irish Independant "we are with you" also the Irish Independant " you should consider a digital subscription".

    They need to be called out on this. The amount of important stories that I've seen shared that I couldn't view because I was hit by a paywall.
    They are screwed financially because of this - they are asking for support to stay afloat. Don't know where they are supposed to get the money from for free news. NYT is incomparable. Plenty of free media still here. The indo isn't the whole media.


  • #6153
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ms2011 wrote: »
    Panic buying has started, seen video of queues metres long outside Dunnes, Clondalkin. None of them 2 metres apart.
    The reaction is not surprising as people adjust. Like the first panic run it'll settle down after a few days once we get used to it.


  • #6154
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    I went onto the Irish Times site this morning and they seem to have removed their paywall. Can anyone else confirm?

    Still there


  • #6155
    Genghis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭Genghis


    It's fairly easy to risk assess your activities and make choices.

    I have only left my home in the last 2 weeks for two reasons, groceries for the family and exercise (walk/run with dog). Incidentally, with the exception of a long run last weekend, I would have been fully compliant with the new restrictions).

    Risk factors to consider:

    A. How many people you are likely to meet during each activity
    B. How likely any person you meet is currently infectious
    C. The risk of you being close enough to a person or surface to be infected

    On A., I am in a year plus routine of 3-4 nightly walk / runs. I always go at night (10.00 to midnight), it's rural and in the last year I have passed one solitary person while out.
    I remember, it freaked me out ;) (let's say on 150 outings I met one person, 1-in-150 chance).

    When I go to the supermarket I also like to avoid busy-ness esp. now, but it's likely still I will meet probably 6 people between the car park, queuing, in the aisles and staff.

    On B., Let's be conservative and say 50,000 people in Ireland are currently infectious. That's 1-in-150 people.

    On C. While outside I am on roads and can easily avoid people. There is a risk, I suppose, (if that one person and I meet again) that I could bump into him while looking at my phone, let's say 2% (1-in-50). Surface risk is not a risk as all outside.

    At the shops, meanwhile, there are loads of measures in place to keep people apart, but also ever the potential to meet an absent minded person, touch a surface, etc.. let's say risk factor of picking up an infection on a trip to the supermarket is 10%. (1-in-10)

    Now to compare risks.

    On my walk/run A x B x C I get 1/150 * 1/90 * 1/50 = 1 in 675,000.

    Going to the supermarket, it's 6/1 * 1/150 * 1/10 = 1 in 150.

    Now admittedly, with all the precautions in place, both activities are low risk, but for me, exercising once a day is 4500 less dangerous than grocery shopping.

    For others those numbers might be very different, e.g. urban runner, peak time shopper etc.


  • #6156
    shocksy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭shocksy


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1243853921308872705?s=19


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  • #6157
    lobbylad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭lobbylad


    Aer Lingus EI 9018, Dublin to Beijing, just left on its first run for medical supplies

    https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9018/244976fb


  • #6158
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    I've been critical of Varadkar and co on points like the airports, not implementing yesterday evening's plan when he spoke 6 days ago etc.

    However overall we're one of the better governed countries in our response to Covid 19. I'm happy with them 8/10 for me.

    Me too

    The UK were a little slow

    US citizens are very unfortunate in that their president seems unable to comprehend statistics, facts, mathematics, etc.


  • #6159
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    It's highly contagious? Is it not obvious?

    FFS, i was asking about PPE equipment


  • #6160
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    doxy79 wrote: »
    Lockdown started midnight and still no list? A good deal of ppl actually work weekends.

    The advice given was that if you're unsure if your business meets the essential criteria you should open today until the list is made available.

    It won't be an easy task putting this list together, they'll need to include any business that provides services or equipment to any of the essential services.

    It would be easier to come up with a non-essential list


  • #6161
    CptMackey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭CptMackey


    RoryMac wrote: »
    The advice given was that if you're unsure if your business meets the essential criteria you should open today until the list is made available.

    It won't be an easy task putting this list together, they'll need to include any business that provides services or equipment to any of the essential services.

    It would be easier to come up with a non-essential list

    They should have had the list sorted before the lockdown. But sure the civil service doesn't work weekends. So to hell those that do


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  • #6162
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    khalessi wrote: »
    Still there

    Ah. You’re right.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/david-mcwilliams-we-need-to-totally-reimagine-economics-1.4213305?mode=amp

    A pity. They should really just remove it for the “lockdown” period. No wonder fake news spreads so fast on social media , when responsible journalism is hidden behind paywalls.


  • #6163
    champchamp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭champchamp


    RoryMac wrote: »
    The advice given was that if you're unsure if your business meets the essential criteria you should open today until the list is made available.

    It won't be an easy task putting this list together, they'll need to include any business that provides services or equipment to any of the essential services.

    It would be easier to come up with a non-essential list


    The list could have been prepared 2 or 3 weeks ago...


  • #6164
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The new directive having the Traveller community prioritised for testing as a high risk group makes sense really. It's not just the social distancing factor, it's the tendency to being overweight and smoking that puts them at high risk.

    Also, I see construction work is stopped.


  • #6165
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Good lord. Spain has joined the Italians

    +832 deaths being reported.


  • #6166
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    CptMackey wrote: »
    They should have had the list sorted before the lockdown. But sure the civil service doesn't work weekends. So to hell those that do

    Ill tell you this, the CS are working weekends and some of them are working while self isolating due to symptoms. As I am watching one of them fielding calls all day and into the night.


  • #6167
    Kerry25x
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Kerry25x


    shocksy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1243853921308872705?s=19

    Italy never reported daily cases this high despite the higher population. This is truly awful for them.


  • #6168
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    CptMackey wrote: »
    They should have had the list sorted before the lockdown. But sure the civil service doesn't work weekends. So to hell those that do

    Some departments working 24/7 now. Show a bit of appreciation.


  • #6169
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    This is for those out there who still don't get the message:

    .


  • #6170
    TheDenialTwist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭TheDenialTwist


    frillyleaf wrote: »
    Yes I feel this is a new disease and even people with no symptoms can have long term affects that we don’t know about.

    You 'feel' this is new? This Virus being novel is more than a feeling (pardon the pun) . It actually is a novel variant of Coronavirus. It is SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19). Named so after the SARS outbreak witnessed in 2003, and this is the second variant but proving to be so much more easily transmitted and sustained than 2003.

    All we know is that thus far (as this is novel virus, novel research and so forth) is that 80% (majority of people) seem to show mild symptoms (HSE)

    As for long term 'effects' (not affects) in asymptomatic individuals, we won't know this until much further into the future. As it is impossible to tell long term effects of anything when we are presently only in the short term. I am not worried about long term effects right now as there is nothing we can do About the long term without knowing more.

    Over half of transmission is now Community Transmission and I hope the new measures will aid the spread within the Community. Initially most transmission was Travel related. We're all on a learning curve here. So hopefully these new measures put in place last night will drive home the message to people to stay the fcuk at home etc and adhere to HSE guidelines.

    On a personal level, I know I would want to be in the 80 percentile group if I should end up testing positive and not another statistic on the number of deaths.

    I'm not an expert and I just hope that more and more testing gets completed. The more we test, the more cases, more herd immunity (possibly) the more we start learning about this novel virus, and sadly also more deaths.

    Stay safe to you and everyone.


  • #6171
    CptMackey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭CptMackey


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    Some departments working 24/7 now. Show a bit of appreciation.

    So they could have had a list done


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  • #6172
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/ireland/leinster/dublin/dublin-o-connell-street.html
    Still a fair few people around town, was expecting a complete ghost town like those drone views of cities on the continent


  • #6173
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    Good lord. Spain has joined the Italians

    +832 deaths being reported.

    Once ICUs and hospitals get overwhelmed and reach capacity the death rate soars.


  • #6174
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    They are screwed financially because of this - they are asking for support to stay afloat. Don't know where they are supposed to get the money from for free news. NYT is incomparable. Plenty of free media still here. The indo isn't the whole media.
    If they are looking for support do it like the guardian and actually ask for support. We are advised to get our information from the government and main stream media. That leaves rte, local and national radio stations and the print media. The latter all charge to read the information so it means that we are left with people clicking on shoddy stories on Facebook as their source of information.


  • #6175
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    CptMackey wrote: »
    So they could have had a list done

    There's probably a few higher priorities.


  • #6176
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/ireland/leinster/dublin/dublin-o-connell-street.html
    Still a fair few people around town, was expecting a complete ghost town like those drone views of cities on the continent

    Watched 20 seconds of that and observed people walking by each other literally touching shoulders.

    Sigh.


  • #6177
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    CptMackey wrote: »
    So they could have had a list done

    Christ almighty. They received advice yesterday to shut the country down. Would you have preferred they waited while they drew up the list and still have hordes of eejits roaming the countryside today? Just to satisfy a few gob****es with no common sense on the internet?


  • #6178
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    Good lord. Spain has joined the Italians

    +832 deaths being reported.
    New data has been added to Worldometer. Including the date of each country's first case confirmation.

    When Italy and Spain were at the point in time that we are at now (about four weeks since the first confirmed case) they had a fraction of the deaths in this country.

    I'm actually sick with worry now.


  • #6179
    kingshankly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    statesaver wrote: »
    Has anyone in the media asked Dr. Tony Holohan why so many health care professionals are getting infected ?

    Seen a stat last week half of them was due to travel


  • #6180
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    jam83 wrote: »
    I don't understand how outlets that sell DIY goods and motor factors, tyre fitters are closed. Surely a car issue or burst pipe at home needs fixing straight away.

    OH works in a Builder's Providers.
    They had all the safety measures in place.
    2 in the shop at a time, sanitizer and gloves available, 2m marked out for queuing outside/tils, people with accounts told to phone in order and collect - drive into the yard jobby.

    And what happens? People notice the gates to the yard are open to allow collection so they start to go into the shop via the warehouse. For a browse...or to order new bathroom suites.. :rolleyes:
    Staff working were being put at risk because half the bloody country decided this was the ideal time to tackle those DIY projects, and some of those people decided they didn't want to queue or stick to the restrictions.

    Hardware shops are now emergency/delivery above is the reason why.


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  • #6181
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    CptMackey wrote: »
    So they could have had a list done

    It has to with suppliers who supply the suppliers who supply the manufacturers and so on. Also they want to do it properly lest anyone bitch about it, perish the thought, and that they only have necessary people making journeys


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